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 India Confirms 20 Soldiers Killed In Border Clash With Chinese Forces; Reports Of 43 PLA Casualties

Biggest and deadliest border clash between the nuclear-armed neighbors in a half-century.

 

Jun 16, 2020 2:19 PM

 

Earlier in the day we reported that Indian Army officials said that three troops - an officer and two soldiers, to be more precise - had been gunned down by Chinese forces during a "violent faceoff" in Galwan Valley in the Ladakh region Monday night.

 

In an official follow-up statement, the Indian Army now says as of Tuesday evening local time that an additional seventeen soldiers were critically injured in the exchange of fire, and since succumbed to their wounds after being “exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain.” This brings the official Indian death toll to 20 soldiers killed.

 

With the whole incident still shrouded in contradictory claims and lack of confirmation on potential Chinese casualties from Beijing - even after widespread unverified Indian media reports claimed that up to 43 Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) were killed or injured in the clashes, one thing is for sure — that this is the biggest and deadliest border clash between the nuclear-armed neighbors in a half-century

 

The only thing approaching an 'official' statement from Beijing appears to come via state media. The highly visible editor of state-run Global Times Hu Xijin, who's often served as unofficial mouthpiece conveying Beijing official sentiment to the West tweeted the following in the aftermath Tuesday, calling it "goodwill from Beijing": 

 

The Chinese side didn’t release number of PLA casualties in clash with Indian soldiers. My understanding is the Chinese side doesn’t want people of the two countries to compare the casualties number so to avoid stoking public mood.

 

He stated further: "Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash," in a follow-up tweet. 

 

 

"I want to tell the Indian side, don’t be arrogant and misread China’s restraint as being weak. China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it," the GT editor added. 

 

 

Importantly, Xijin confirmed that there were indeed casualties on the Chinese side.

 

And BBC reports of the new statements

 

It added that "17 Indian troops who were critically injured in the line of duty" and died from their injuries, taking the "total that were killed in action to 20".

China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India in turn of crossing the border onto the Chinese side.

 

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.

 

India blamed Beijing for "an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo" on the border, according to Indian media.

 

With tensions this high, and no doubt the national medias of each country about to spend days whipping their citizens into a frenzy, there's likely more to come along the restive and disputed Line of Control (LOC).

We should add that strangely, the Indian army is still claiming as of Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest major clash.

 

This is of course a not so insignificant detail which has left many observers scratching their heads, but then again, border skirmishes between the two have been known to involve stones, sticks, and fist-fights. Given the high casualty count, gunfire is most likely, or perhaps they fought with bayonets?

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So far this year we've had Aussie bushfires, Covid, all sorts of drama after the cops killed that guy in the US, climate going mental, a massive Russian oil spill and apparantly we're in the midst of a mass extinction ... I've been wondering what would come next.

 

China / India getting into it, North Korea doing something insane, Trump losing the election and refusing to leave office, natural disaster.... kind of feel like it will probably be any or all of these things the way 2020 is going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So far this year we've had Aussie bushfires, Covid, all sorts of drama after the cops killed that guy in the US, climate going mental, a massive Russian oil spill and apparantly we're in the midst of a mass extinction ... I've been wondering what would come next.

 

China / India getting into it, North Korea doing something insane, Trump losing the election and refusing to leave office, natural disaster.... kind of feel like it will probably be any or all of these things the way 2020 is going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Indian PM Narendra Modi Breaks Silence After Deadly Border Skirmish With China

China claims agreement with India to deescalate the situation has been reached...

 

 

 

17 Jun, 2020 10:32 

 

 

 

 

https://www.rt.com/news/492105-modi-indian-soldiers-deaths-not-in-vain/

Deaths of Indian soldiers in clash with China ‘will not be in vain’ says PM Modi

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers in border skirmishes with the Chinese military will “not be in vain,” and vowed a response if there is further provocation.

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https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/chinaindia-border-clash-both-sides-ca...

 

Monday’s clash that killed 20 Indian troops was the deadliest between the sides in 45 years. China has not said whether it suffered any casualties. India also denied reports that any of its troops were in Chinese custody. Both sides accused each other of instigating the fight.

In the thin air at 14,000 feet above sea level, soldiers brawled with clubs, rocks and their fists but no shots were fired, Indian officials said. Neither side’s patrolling soldiers can use firearms under a previous agreement in the dispute.

 

 

No shots fired ... some 70 dead ... 'effin savages ...

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  • JUN 22, 2020 3:30 AM

 India Seeks Rapid Purchase Of 33 Russian Fighter Jets In Response To Chinese Border Fight

Both sides building up forces along disputed border after 20 Indian troops killed...

 

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It looks, China-man is looking for da war ...

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/china-flexes-regional-muscles-with-su...

 

China flexes regional muscles with submarines in Japanese waters

A secretive submarine has been detected deep within Japanese waters sparking fears Beijing is daring Tokyo to respond.

 

Unlike the Himalayas, any clash between Japanese and Chinese forces in the East China Sea will likely draw in the United States.

Washington and Tokyo have a mutual defence treaty. If a foreign power attacks either country, the other is obligated to assist in its defence.

But Beijing now appears to be following the playbook it established in the South China Sea by merely moving in.

Beijing recently declared its illegally-occupied artificial island-fortresses in the South China Sea to be part of a new formal government district. This is a ploy to bolster a sense of inevitability of its ownership.

Now the Okinawa prefecture is looking to take over administration of the Senkakus from the Ishigaki City Council in a move that also asserts the islands as being formal Japanese territory.

 

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India Deploys 'Quick Reaction' Anti-Air Missiles To Border While China Warns Of "Prolonged Standoff"

India moves its 'Akash' systems along border to prevent any misadventure by the Chinese Air Force fighter jets ​​​​​​...

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China & India pull troops away, set up ‘buffer zone’ in Himalayas weeks after bloody border clash – reports

China & India pull troops away, set up ‘buffer zone’ in Himalayas weeks after bloody border clash – reports

China and India have moved their soldiers away from the site of a deadly June skirmish along the disputed border in the Himalayas, reports say. The news comes a day after senior officials agreed to expedite mutual disengagement. 

Chinese soldiers have moved their tents and other structures away from the site of the bloody melee in the Galwan River valley that took place last month, Indian media reported, citing official sources. Indian troops are said to have pulled back as well, and a buffer zone was set up between the soldiers from both sides.

Indian military sources told AFP that that the disengagement of the Chinese troops began in accordance with the agreement reached during talks between high-ranking army officials from both countries.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi discussed the situation along the border with Indian National Security Advisor Ajit Doval over the phone on Sunday. They agreed to ensure the mutual disengagement of troops along the de facto border as soon as possible.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-09-24/indian-soldiers-given-green-si...

 

Indian soldiers given green-signal to open fire in self-defense at India-China border

 

No signs of disengagement are visible between the Chinese military and Indian soldiers on eastern Ladakh. Both sides have been engaged in a stand-off since April which worsened with time. In recent reports, India has communicated to China that its soldiers will not hesitate to defend themselves. India has explicitly stated that Indian soldiers stationed at the border will open fire in self-defense if the need arises.

 

Indian soldiers at the border become wary of Chinese tactics

India has reiterated that it is essential for Indian soldiers at the border to open fire in self-defense because China has a history of utilizing tactics of “using mass”. Indian officials state that Chinese soldiers wait until they are sure they will be able to outnumber Indian soldiers and then strike. A similar situation happened in the 15 June Galwan Valley clash which resulted in considerable losses to the Indian military. India says these tactics will not be tolerated again.

Tensions between China and India have considerably grown since April, it seems that these tensions will continue on the border in winters as well. The Chinese military has deployed around 50,000 soldiers and equipment, including missile systems, tanks, and artillery, at the border.

Indian soldiers will open fire in self-defense if the need arises

Sources suggest that India has changed its rules of engagement for the Line of Actual Control (LAC). This change resulted from the 15 June Galwan Valley clash. The bloody clash had resulted in the death of 20 Indian soldiers, including a commanding officer, and many Chinese troops. A source claimed that China is aware of these developments, “We have told our soldiers that they can open fire if there is a fear of their own safety. They can fire for self-defense.”

Reports assert that Chinese words of peace will not be believed until they begin to show on the border. This is because, despite the peace talks between the two superpowers, China has continued to deploy heavy armor to the border.  The sources also said China has given them a number for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers killed in the Galwan Valley clash — a number Beijing has yet to publicly acknowledge.

The Galwan Valley clash took place when Indian soldiers were massively outnumbered by the Chinese military. The skirmish took place when an attempt at disengagement on the border failed. “The Chinese tactic was to come in large numbers with clubs and crude weapons and surround Indians, who followed the laid-down protocols and moved in a much lesser manner,” one of the sources quoted above said. “According to the agreement, both sides are supposed to have a 15-20-member-strong patrol team. Over the last few years (since Doklam), the Chinese started increasing numbers,” the source added.

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