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Q: It's been going viral that Corona virus was created, please how true is this?
4 years 1 week ago in Health & Safety - Other cities
See this 'viral' ... horror:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cemeteries-simply-cannot-cope-ecuadors-...
While COVID-19 news flow from South America has been somewhat uneventful during the pandemic, one country to keep an eye on for future developments of a possible outbreak is Ecuador.
A new report via The Guardian has revealed some pretty shocking statics of a massive death surge over the last several months in one province of the country.
On a six-week basis, starting on March 01, 10,939 people have died in Guayas province, which is well above the six-week average of 3,000 deaths, representing a near quadrupling. Most of the deaths are situated in the province's largest city, Guayaquil.
However, there is some conflicting data, considering on Sunday morning (April 18), Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 data shows a total of 9,022 confirmed cases and 456 deaths in the country.
more ...
Sandnose:
I have a feeling that Bangladesh could be a new hotspot: https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-100000-people-ignore-lockdown-to-attend-bangladesh-funeral/news-story/5abae8313ae034db7eda712115647f79
Sandnose:
Although America could kick off in a big way with thousands of people demonstrating against emergency regulations that were introduced to protect protect them.
I suppose coronavirus is a for of Darwinism on several levels. Eliminating the old and sick, the epically stupid, arrogant dirt bags. It's sad for the people and their loved ones but will strengthen the herd, so to speak.
icnif77:
Berlin and Cape Town riot police was outside yesterday, playing hockey with protestors ... Jerushalaim, too.
See this title:
Watch: Dramatic Footage Shows Chadian Military Jet 'Accidentally' Fires Missile At Senior Commander's Home
Chad is in Africa ...
Sandnose:
I thought Chadian was the new name for Canada since China invaded ;-D
icnif77:
You mean, Chanadian ... ? 
This one is Chadian, i.e. pronoun, it's completely different, self-sustaining entity ... 
Sandnose:
Damn... this sh1tsh0w is worse than the Australia vs Austria debarkle.
Where the hell is that idiot-sandwich Whinge2020 aka Kostanza? We need some knife-edge insight in these troubled times.
sorrel:
@ Sandnose,
sadly Wangnan probably has 'hurt feelings' and is in a safe space.
any adult would respond reasonabley to reasonable dialogue.
got reports from a compatroit who has been resident in China for 18 years, and is being harassed for being foreign, by neighbours who have known him for years.
Are better times coming soon?
These days, you better bring your mask before the riots, otherwise you might get taken away by cops .. for not wearing a mask.
I wonder, is it any different at the robberies ... I mean, visits to the Bank's counters ... Is it dangerous to approach Bank teller without the mask on your face? 
https://www.politico.eu/article/dozens-arrested-in-brussels-riots-during...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/25/protests-rage-around-the-w...
Unrest is seemingly everywhere. We look at the some of the reasons for and responses to it in Hong Kong, Lebanon, Chile, Catalonia and Iraq
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/capetown-cops-fire-rubber-bullets-tearg...
"Mr President we are in the middle of a food crisis. It's war out here..."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-berlin-cops-aggressively-break...
People are getting furious about lockdowns.
https://www.rt.com/newsline/486321-protesters-russia-ossetia-isolation/
Hundreds of protesters – most of them unmasked – gathered on Monday in Vladikavkaz, the capital of the southern Russian Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, to demand the cancellation of the self-isolation regime. The unauthorized meeting took place near the building of the local government despite restrictions, which will last till April 30.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/disturbing-developments-uk-policing
From the tannoy declarations of “you in the blue, go home”, to the haranguing tone, to the declarations the journalist is “killing people”, it’s all pretty disturbing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/across-america-social-unrest-unfolds...
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/panic-hoarding-9mm-ammo-leads...
There appears to be run on ammo ... 9mm is fav.
icnif77:
USA - West Coast
America On The Brink? Shocking Images Show "Pennsylvania Militia" Rolling Up To "Reopen America" Rally
America could be standing on the edge of a revolution. Seriously, well, with National Guard troops deployed across the country, any uprising would likely be squashed.
We noted late last month that a social bomb was set to detonate over major Western cities. It was thought that the epicenter of unrest could begin deep within inner cities, such as those in Baltimore and Detroit, but that might not be the case.
It appears tensions are soaring among anti-quarantine protesters and state governments. The lockdown backlash started last Thursday in Lansing, Michigan.
Anti-quarantine rallies sprouted up across the country over the weekend, organized by right-wing groups that held rallies in Texas, Indiana, New Hampshire, Nevada, Maryland, Utah, Wisconsin, Washington, and Colorado.
Attempting to show force, some protesters wielded rifles, handguns, and shotguns, along with American flags, Betsy Ross flags, Trump signs and "Don't Tread On Me" flags right up to the doorsteps of some state capital buildings.
.. more ... with pics ...
icnif77:
https://www.cullmantimes.com/news/rampage-leaves-18-dead-in-canadas-worst-mass-shooting/article_9f4d3362-834f-11ea-b5ba-8bfeed09ab22.html
TORONTO — Police fanned out across more than a dozen crime scenes Monday after a rampage by a gunman disguised as a police officer left at least 18 dead and homes in smoldering ruins in rural communities across Nova Scotia — the deadliest mass shooting in Canada's history.
Officials said the suspect, identified as 51-year-old Gabriel Wortman, also died in the weekend attack. Authorities did not provide a motive for the killings.
icnif77:
Live vid on the link ... Paris looks like Christmas Eve .. except cops in full gear .. out
Lockdown measures imposed a period of calm on the Paris suburb of Villeneuve-la-Garenne, but a weekend of riots and arson marked a depressing return to normal for the troubled neighborhood after a new police-involved controversy.
icnif77:
https://www.rt.com/newsline/486505-canada-nova-scotia-shooting-victims/
Death toll in Nova Scotia rises to 23 ...
there was an interview in a national daily paper here with a Taiwanese doctor - very revealing, but no bitterness about the way the WHO has treated them
I'd link the article, but it is subsciption only
icnif77:
Taiwan isn't treated as country in UN, WHO and other International org.'s. That is per Chinese mainland demand ...
I was at Taiwanese Embassy in London in 2009. First, it can't be called Embassy, but T. Cultural Centre or similar name. However, that is a place where they issue visas for Taiwan.
At that time, you couldn't get visa by mail (like Chinese Tourist/L), but it required in person application, so I went there ...
The place is completely underground in the middle of London ... You walk or drive on the road and once you enter Cultural Centre it's only one floor reception above the road not higher than approx. 4m. All other offices are underground.
I am still not sure, why is that, but at the time it looked to me it was built that way as a protection. You can see similar buildings in ME (Lebanon ...) 'cause of abundance of cars packed with explosives ...
Today, Taiwanese Embassy is called Taipei (not Taiwan!) Representative Office on Grosvenor Gardens in London.
I have an interesting read ...:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/chinas-great-pandemic-gamble-146247
Sandnose:
They are poking the (panda) bear recently, for example :
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3920015
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3920065
"Ncov virus didn't came from the lab ..." preliminary study ...
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21156607/how-did-the-coronavirus-get-starte...
excerpt:
A preliminary scientific paper shows this is a genuinely new virus, and there’s no way it could have been engineered by humans
In a recent podcast episode, Racaniello discussed with two other researchers a fascinating preprint paper (that’s currently under peer review, according to the authors) about the virus origin. The key finding: that SARS-CoV-2 is “not a laboratory construct nor a purposefully manipulated virus.”
The paper, which was uploaded onto Virological.org in February, is written by several leading microbiologists who closely examined the SARS-CoV-2 genome.
Specifically, they found the unusual biochemical features of the virus could only have come about two ways after the virus jumped from animal to humans, or what’s called zoonotic transfer. The ways, they write, are: “1) natural selection in a non-human animal host prior to zoonotic transfer, and 2) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer.”
In other words, nature came up with these weird characteristics in the genome, either in an intermediary animal between bats and people or in humans after the virus infected one. As Racaniello put it on his podcast: “Humans could never have dreamed this up.”
What’s more, he noted, no known lab anywhere in the world was working on a coronavirus like this one, and its closest relative is a bat virus found in a cave in 2013 in Yunnan, China, 1,000 miles from Wuhan.“Presumably there’s a common ancestor, most likely from a bat or an intermediary animal that was contaminated by that bat,” Racaniello says.
The coronavirus would be a bad bioweapon
Several experts told me the theory that the virus was meant to be a bioweapon doesn’t make sense, either. One big reason: Covid-19 isn’t all that deadly or transmissible, compared to other potential pathogens out there.
“To make it as a bioweapon, if that’s what you wanted to do, there are scarier and more virulent pathogens to work with,” said Keusch of Boston University.
For instance, Ebola and the West African Lassa virus are deadly threats that can only be studied in biosafety level 4 labs, like Wuhan. Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever is a tick-borne disease that has a death rate of 30 to 50 percent. The global death rate for Covid-19, meanwhile, is around 3 percent at the moment, but it’s expected to come down dramatically as more cases are discovered in the coming weeks. And even now, it varies widely by country and region.
Simply put, if you wanted to release a bioweapon to kill a lot of people, there are much deadlier pathogens you could use.
The Wuhan lab has the same safety protocols as top biosafety labs in the US and Europe
In his article in the New York Post, Mosher suggests that we shouldn’t trust the officials who ran the Wuhan lab. “It sure sounds like China has a problem keeping dangerous pathogens in test tubes where they belong, doesn’t it?” he says.
I asked LeDuc, who runs the Galveston biocontainment lab, if he has any experience with the Wuhan lab. Turns out he has a lot. He and his colleagues have worked for six years with the Chinese team there, both in advising them on building their lab and keeping it safe, and on scientific collaboration. “I can tell you that lab in Wuhan is equivalent to any lab here in the US and Europe,” he said.
icnif77:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/missouri-sues-china-wuhan-lab-over-covid-says-deceit-malfeasance-and-inaction
The state of Missouri became the first in the nation to file a lawsuit against China over their role in the coronavirus pandemic. Also named in the suit are the Communist Party of China, the government of Wuhan City, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, along with the Chinese Academy of Sciences. 
Filed on Tuesday in the Eastern District of Missouri, Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt accuses China of knowing that "COVID-19 was dangerous and capable of causing a pandemic, yet slowly acted, proverbially put their head in the sand, and/or covered it up in their own economic self-interest," according to Fox News.
During the critical weeks of the initial outbreak, Chinese authorities deceived the public, suppressed crucial information, arrested whistleblowers, denied human-to-human transmission in the face of mounting evidence, destroyed critical medical research, permitted millions of people to be exposed to the virus, and even hoarded personal protective equipment—thus causing a global pandemic that was unnecessary and preventable -State of Missouri v. The People's Republic of China et al.
According to the complaint, the defendants are responsible "for the enormous death, suffering, and economic losses they inflicted on the world," and "should be held accountable."
"When their actions began to kill hundreds of thousands of people across the globe, Defendants sought to minimize the consequences, engaging in a coverup and misleading public relations campaign by censoring scientists, ordering the destruction and suppression of valuable research, and refusing cooperation with the global community, all in violation of international health standards," the complaint continues.
Missouri cites a Fox News report that the US is currently conducting "a full-scale investigation into whether the novel coronavirus, which went on to morph into a global pandemic that has brought the global economy to its knees, escaped from" the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The complaint also notes that an emerging theory states that WIV was "studying the virus as part of a commercial activity."
... more ...
icnif77:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/china-sends-us-contaminated-covid-test-kits
It's bad enough that China has frozen exports of medical equipment to the US during the pandemic. Now a new report sheds light on some COVID-19 test kits from the country that were sent "contaminated.
The South China Morning Post (SCMP) said the University of Washington School of Medicine (UW Medicine) "went to extraordinary lengths to airlift tens of thousands of Covid-19 testing kits" during the start of the US outbreak to only discover last week that some of the tests are tainted.
"I've just recommended everyone who has these things pause and not use them at all," said Geoff Baird, the interim chair of the UW Department of Laboratory Medicine, who led the group to secure the tests. "I can't say I'm not disappointed."
Baird told SCMP that a colleague informed him on April 16 that some of the "liquid in vials he had sent appeared to have changed in color." In shock, he said he stormed out of his office down to the UW Medicine storage facility where the test kits were being held and started to "tear through boxes."
... more
Authorities On High Alert About Northern China Virus Outbreak, Beijing District Marked "High-Risk"
... authorities admitted that “the outbreak in Harbin is in an aggregated, explosive situation.”
Sandnose:
Well, this most unharmonious news will upset the narrative of omnipotence.
icnif77:
Have you ever been to ...?
OK, have a look-i ... how safe we are ...
Watch: China Releases Video From Inside The Wuhan Bio-Lab
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-new-data-show-90-covid-1...
excerpt:
Perhaps the biggest news overnight came out of Australian, where PM Scott Morrison called on all member states of the WHO to support an "independent review" of the origins of the novel coronavirus outbreak, further jeopardizing what has been an incredibly prosperous economic relationship with China that had helped the Aussie economy achieve an unprecedented 30-year stretch of growth.
Finally, the Washington Post reports that new data from New York’s largest hospital system showed that survival rates for patients placed on ventilators are even lower than previously believed. The data showed that a staggering 88% of coronavirus patients who were placed on ventilators in the state's hospitals didn’t survive. Doctors, meanwhile, are also seeing more strange complications from the disease involving blood clots and the cardiovascular system. One doctor in China who barely survived his struggle with the virus experienced an extremely strange shift in skin pigmentation.
This news follows yesterday's report which found more than 10,000 nursing home residents in 35 states have succumbed to the virus, representing roughly one-fifth of all deaths in the US.
The number of confirmed deaths from the virus around the world is approaching 200k, while the number of confirmed cases has surpassed 2,645,000.
icnif77:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/renowned-microbiologist-claims-wuhan-lab-did-absolutely-crazy-things-coronavirus
Dr. Peter Chumakov of the Engelhardt Institute of Molecular Biology and Russian Academy of Sciences claims that while the Wuhan scientists' goal in creating the coronavirus was not malicious - instead, they were trying to study the pathogenicity of the virus, according to the Daily Mail.
"In China, scientists at the Wuhan Laboratory have been actively involved in the development of various coronavirus variants for over ten years," he said. "Moreover, they did this, supposedly not with the aim of creating pathogenic variants, but to study their pathogenicity."
"They did absolutely crazy things, in my opinion," he said, adding " For example, inserts in the genome, which gave the virus the ability to infect human cells. Now all this has been analyzed."
'The picture of the possible creation of the current coronavirus is slowly emerging.'
Meanwhile, the head of Russia's Federal Medical-Biological agency, Veronika Skvortsova, told Russia's Channel One "This question is not that easy. It demands a very thorough study," adding "None of the versions can be ruled out."
"We can see that a fairly large number of fragments distinguishes this virus from its very close relative, SARS," Skvortsova added. "They are approximately 94 per cent similar, the rest is different… I think that we must conduct a very serious research.
INTENTIONALLY ... for umptieth time ...
1,000 Front-Line Medical Workers Forced Into Isolation Due To Faulty Chinese Masks
Earlier this month, we warned that Chinese companies were flooding Europe with shoddy medical supplies, including defective personal protective equipment (PPE).
If you can imagine, you are a manager of English language school ...
Who would you blame for employee's constant late arrivals to School:
1. Employer, who sets class beginnings too early ...?
2. Very demanding students ...?
or ...
3. Alarm clock maker ... ?
- At which teacher's late arrival would you blame teacher for the misfit?
- Would you ever consider, teacher's constant late arrivals are INTENTIONAL?
Does anybody know, opening times of International Crime Tribunal in Hague ...?
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-continues-flood-world-defective-...
China Continues To Flood The World With Defective Medical Supplies
More than a dozen countries on four continents recently disclosed problems with Chinese-made coronavirus tests and personal protective equipment...
The problems range from test kits tainted with the coronavirus to medical garments contaminated with insects. Defective Chinese face masks, purchased by Spain's Ministry of Health, were distributed to hospitals and nursing homes across the country, and more than 100 healthcare workers who used them tested positive for Covid-19.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s-intel-community-says-covid-19-no...
U.S. Intel Community Says COVID-19 ‘Not Manmade or Genetically Modified’
April 30, 2020 12:04 PM
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in a Thursday statement that the U.S. intelligence community “concurs” with scientific assessments that coronavirus “was not manmade or genetically modified.”
“As we do in all crises, the Community’s experts respond by surging resources and producing critical intelligence on issues vital to U.S. national security,” ODNI said in a statement. “The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”
On Wednesday, the White House ordered the National Security Agency and Defense Intelligence Agency to examine whether China and the World Health Organization engaged in a coverup of Covid-19’s initial outbreak. U.S. intelligence has already determined that the Chinese Communist Party attempted to conceal the extent of the virus’s spread by intentionally lowering its number of cases, but has denied reports that it knew of the outbreak as early as November.
ODNI also stated that the virus “originated in China,” after Beijing said earlier this week that it was a “victim” of a “disinformation campaign” surrounding the pandemic and accused the U.S. of “hiding something.”
Chinese officials and state media have pushed a conspiracy theory that the U.S. is behind the coronavirus, including claiming that the virus was brought to China by an American cyclist who took part in the World Military Games in Wuhan in October.
The Chinese Communist Party has aimed at stifling academic research into the origins of COVID-19 by requiring papers to be submitted to a state-appointed task force in order to be approved for publication. Chinese diplomats have also attempted to promote China’s image abroad, with the wife of the Chinese Consulate-General in Chicago sending a drafted resolution that praised China’s “effective” efforts against coronavirus to the head of the Wisconsin state senate in February.
" ... oopsy daisy ..."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/airbus-reports-abysmal-earnings-r...
President Trump Confirms "High Degree Of Confidence" That COVID-19 Originated In Wuhan Lab: Live Updates
Thu, 04/30/2020 - 16:00
Update (1730ET): During a Q&A session with the press after his remarks on "Protecting America's Seniors", President Trump confirmed that he has seen evidence that COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology...
Reporter:
"Have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the [Wuhan lab] was the origin?
Trump:
"Yes, I have... Yeah I have, and I think the WHO should be ashamed of themselves because they were like the public relations agency for China."
"They shouldn't be making excuses when people make horrible mistakes, especially mistakes that are causing hundreds of thousands of people around the world to die," the president continued. "I think the World Health Organization should be ashamed of themselves."
The conversation drifted but the reporter came back to confirm:
"What gives you a high degree of confidence that this originated in the [Wuhan lab]..."
Trump responded:
"I can't tell you that... I am not allowed to tell you that."
Earlier during the same event, Trump was asked whether Chinese President Xi Jinping should be held responsible for the coronavirus outbreak.
"I don't want to say that, but certainly it could have been stopped," the president said.
"I wish they stopped it. The whole world wishes they stopped it."
Forward to the Q&A (around -22mins from the end):
Vid on the weblink ...
icnif77:
Where are all the 'konspirators' ... at this website?
I won't call any names (of the handles ), butT ... see this, pls:
Never forget that Zero Hedge got banned (@Twitter) for saying this almost two months ago.newsweek.com/trump-says-hes…
How many days is "two-months-ago" ... 
ZeroHedge got banned at Twitter for saying what Trump-a is now repeating ... 
ZH is "Pure-News-TNT" ... what somebody is keep telling you ...
Stiggs:
Since you mention no names I'll just assume you're directing this at me since I made a lighthearted, throwaway remark about zerohedge once that you seemed to take quite personally.
For the record, I really don't care about Zerohedge either way, wasn't even attacking them in fact but since you've thrown this out there as apparantly some sort of proof of ZH's journalistic integrity I googled the story you linked.
From what I understand (too lazy to find the original story) ZH didn't actually have any evidence or news regarding that story, it was them speculating - like almost everyone in the world at the time - on China's role in the virus and suggesting people pay the scientist (personal details included ) a visit. So it wasn't really news or reporting, it was their opinion and some doxing.
And as far as Trump saying he's confident the virus started in a lab... he seems to be contradicting his intelligence people and scientists who are saying they think it wasn't manmade or genetically modified.
Personally I think anything is possible, wouldn't surprise me at all if they were playing mad scientist and it got out somehow. But as of now, it seems like nobody actually knows and to be honest I don't trust anyone involved in this shitshow so whatever does come out I'll probably be taking with a big dose of scepticism.
icnif77:
Yeah, I agree ... butT ... did you know when somebody steps on me tail, I always say: 'MiAaouuu ..' .
Look, I don't take much of any website personally. I like to have fun most of the time, and that's it. However, we were arguing and things, and you said I shouldn't rely so much on Zero ... and can of worms was suddenly open ...
I like Zero and many people/traders rely on its reports ... They go with market move 'predictions', which are on the ball most of the time.
You also aren't the first one here who said Zero is unreliable ... I was even attacked here when I c&p something ... I was thinking, why would I attack somebody, if he/she just c&p something. It wasn't his/her statement ... and so on.
Back to Trump-a ... he said many things (if you follow it ... ) and I don't follow much of his ..., but today's news it will be difficult for him to turn around. He obviously holds something in his hands.
Somewhere here I wrote "DoD is playing chess ..." as comment above some c&p, and that is how I also see this news against China. They will put China into the straight line or 'Wall-back-the-F-up ...!'.
Did you know today (when this c&p came out) is the first day of May? I think, sometimes that is also called "Mayday'' ... in English.
LTA ago, I watched movie "Tora, Tora, Tora" ... It was about Jap.'s attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941 ... Then, I heard the first time call "Mayday, Mayday ..."
You see where I am going with this ...
Stiggs:
Yeah I hear you mate, I've been known to bite a few times myself.
Lol mayday... that's actually very appropriate in these times... I've seen that movie too, not recently but I remember it been a good one.
Ole Trump... dunno, I think he's making stuff up again, it wouldn't be the first time he's come out with something and then later claims he meant something else, or was joking or something. Time will tell.
At this point I don't even care. China f*cked up, then the rest of the world f*cked up too and now we're all in a massive f*cked up situation, and the people supposedly running the most powerful economies in the world are busy squabbling about who is more to blame when they should be trying to sort the mess out.
icnif77:
Yeah, (by Zero) ' ... it was recession (bad Econ. data) approaching first ... and then came out 'Covid ..'.
Now, Gov.'s have reason to print and recession's happening ... butT ... not because of bad Econ. management, but 'cause of Covid ..
Covid was/is "two birds with one move ..".
At the end of this manure ... we'll be going 'Cui bono ... ????'
"No, ... not man made ... virus ..."
Dozens Of Patients In Wuhan Have Developed 'Chronic' Coronavirus Infections
Naturally occurring coronaviruses typically don't become chronic...oh really?
Stiggs:
Well I'm no scientist but when it jumps into humans for the first time I don't think you can apply normal rules to it anymore. The virus naturally occurs in bats and pangolins, it's not a natural thing in humans.
I read somewhere bats have an immune system that reacts differently to the virus than a human immune system does, which is why it hasn't killed off all the bats and presumably why they're such a good host for the virus.
icnif77:
The point of above is " ... human lives with different Coronas forever ... but Corona never turns into chronic ... ". That shows, virus was most likely moderated in a Lab.
Every flu is caused by the Corona type of virus as I understand. You're sick for a week or two, and after that evertything turns to normal.
Not at this one ... meaning is 'such patients are spreading it forever ...'.
Imagine, you got it and you get off ..., but then you are positive at every test ... That means, quarantine for the rest of your life.
Read the Zero'a article above ... very grim ...
Simply not true. The threat of such diseases has been growing. They exist in the wild and can and have mutated and passed along to humans. Warnings have been coming for years. I'm not even convonced that this originated in Wuhan, let alone from the lab there.
I have new one ... repost from NY Post:
https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/what-is-china-covering-up-about-the-corona...
What is China covering up about the coronavirus?
Excerpt here:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/database-wuhans-batwoman-altered-48-hou...
Database Of Wuhan's 'Batwoman' Altered 48 Hours Before COVID-19 Samples Ordered Destroyed
Days before the Wuhan wet market was bleached, whistleblowers were punished and virus samples were destroyed, someone at the high-security Wuhan Institute of Virology censored its virus database in an apparent attempt to disassociate the laboratory from a novel-coronavirus outbreak that would become a global pandemic.
This is what open-source intelligence uncovered in the United Kingdom reveals.
Substantial alterations to the WIV database on the evening of Dec. 30, the day before the World Health Organization was alerted to the outbreak of a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, are just another indication that the Chinese Communist Party is hiding something when it comes to the origins of COVID-19.
The question of whether the virus came from the Wuhan wet market, as China insists, or leaked from the nearby WIV laboratory, where high-risk research into animal-to-human transmission of bat coronaviruses was being conducted, is at the center of allegations of a coverup and a worldwide clamor for an independent investigation into the source of the disease.
Shi Zhengli, the virologist known as China’s “batwoman” for her work with bat coronaviruses, directs the WIV’s Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases and is listed as the primary database contact.
On Dec. 30, she was in Shanghai for a conference when she was summoned back to Wuhan with the news that a novel coronavirus had been detected in two pneumonia patients.
On the overnight train from Shanghai, according to a March article in Scientific American, she was stricken with worry about the coronaviruses.
“Could they have come from our lab?” she wondered.
After all, the closest known relative of this new coronavirus, a bat virus named RaTG13, was in her lab.
Weeks later, she would post a message on WeChat saying, “I swear with my life, [the virus] has nothing to do with the lab.”
But at some point while she was on that train ride to Wuhan, alterations were made to her database, which contained records of bat viruses transmitted to other wild animals.
Most of the changes were to delete the keywords “wildlife” or “wild animals.” This is significant, because global health researchers say the virus jumped from bats to humans via another wild animal — the crucial “missing link” in the COVID-19 transmission chain.
Shi used to boast that her bat-virus database was unique because it included data on virus variants in other wild animals.
Was her database censored to keep prying eyes away from references to cross-species transmission of viruses in wild animals?
For instance, the title of the database was changed that night from “Wildlife-borne viral pathogen database” to “Bat and rodent-borne viral pathogen database.”
“Wild animal” was replaced with “bat and rodent” or “bat and rat” at least 10 times in the database. Also, a reference to “arthropod vectors” was removed.
Keywords that might facilitate searches potentially connecting the database with the outbreak also were deleted. “Wild animal samples,” “viral pathogen data,” “emerging infectious diseases” and “cross-species infection” were keywords associated with the original version.
On Dec. 30 they were replaced with “bat,” “rodent” and “virus.”
“It looks like a rushed, inconsistent effort to disassociate the project from the outbreak by rebranding it,” says the British open-source intelligence analyst who found the alterations.
“It’s a strange thing to do within hours of being informed of a novel-coronavirus outbreak.”
He surmises: “If the WIV had found the missing link between bat virus RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 [the coronavirus that causes COVID-19] from an animal vector, it would have been in Shi’s database.”
There’s no conclusive evidence that any of the changes were made for sinister reasons.
But China’s lies and furtive actions since the outbreak lead us to believe the worst.
“This is an enormous crisis created by the fact that the Chinese Communist Party reverted to form, reverted to the kinds of disinformation, the kinds of concealment, that authoritarian regimes do,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in an interview Sunday with ABC News.
“There is enormous evidence that [the Wuhan lab] is where this began . . .
“These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.”
On Wednesday, Pompeo walked back his comments slightly at a press conference. “We don’t have certainty,” he said. “We’re all trying to get to clarity.”
China’s refusal to allow an investigation of the origins of the Wuhan virus, or even to share original virus samples, impedes the search for treatments and a vaccine. As if that weren’t bad enough, now it is threatening economic boycotts against countries like Australia that want an investigation.
“The CCP organizational and governmental culture is to cover up and ruthlessly control,” says a retired senior Australian intelligence officer who served in China.
“The arrest of frontline health professionals in January was standard practice.”
We don’t know why the changes were made to the WIV database.
What we do know is they were made the same day a young ophthalmologist, Dr. Li Wenliang, warned colleagues in an online chat group about a “SARS-like coronavirus” among patients in the emergency department of a Wuhan Hospital.
Li was arrested two days later, along with seven other doctors, for “spreading rumors” and forced to recant. He died a month later, of the coronavirus, at age 33.
Stiggs:
I think the closest we'll get to the 'truth' coming out is a version that is more accepted by people than the other versions, and it will probably be the version put forward by whoever wins the massive bitching match that is no doubt coming. History is written by the victor but I don't trust any of the players involved not to lie through their teeth if it suits them. Whatever is decided though, a lot of people will call BS on it and there will always be conspiracy theories around it.
I don't really care anyway, don't see what difference it makes or how it changes the shitshow we're in now, other than as a tool to divert attention.
China was either playing around in the lab, made a mistake and released the virus or the virus jumped species in the wetmarket. Either way, they unleashed this thing, there were a series of f*ckups and poor decisions made and here we are.
To me, the big question is what comes next?
Sandnose:
I concur. This is the beginning of something much bigger methinks, what with so many BRI debtors defaulting or about to, the argument over whether WHO or an independent group will investigate the origins, pissing contest with several contestants in the south China Sea, manufacturers repatriating, accusations, tantrums, threats, ect... The prospects are not looking great.
icnif77:
Truth? It will become irrelevant soon 'cause bigger thing is approaching ... fast. I don't want to sound bad, but as it looks they are already at war.
Remembering the 2nd Gulf war in 2003 and comparing economic stats with today's data ... The only difference is stakes are much higher today than then .. i.e. ''enemy' is much stronger with China, Russia, ayatolahs pooling .."
Back to Corona shit-show ...
"... you can run 1.4 B people, but you can't control the virus ...??"
I think, it's closer to say "You (CCP) didn't want to control it ... and you spread it around ... intentionally .." than to resort to ''you are so stipud ... ''
If I draw comparison with '911' in 2001 ... I ain't an engineer, buTT ... my thought few days after the event was:
"USA Security apparatus can't be that stupid that they wouldn't know 19 jerkoffs came to USA ... and took over 3 planes with box cutters ... Something is fishy ...!"
.. and doesn't matter what building/structures BS I hear today 20-y after, can't change my 2001 opinion.
Similar as USA police in 2001, I see CCP today with Corona .., so 'truth' about today's event is already irrelevant.
'Cui bono' ...?
1. China; 2. USA with western countries ..) and joos on the side; 3. both together in compliance ..., i.e. "let's war and make some money and annul all negative economic stats ..." world has ... achieved in last 20-years.
icnif77:
To above:
US B-1B Bombers Again Fly Near Chinese Airspace Amid 'New Cold War' Threat
Wednesday's strategic bomber mission marks 15th US military flight to approach Taiwan's borders since the start of April ...
Stiggs:
@ Sandnose Yep. For a while there I was sort of hopeful the major economies were going to work together to try to get on top of this thing but like you say... accusations, tantrums, threats etc seem to be the way we're heading and now the major players - who ironically are all dependant on each other for their financial survival - are shitting in their hands and throwing it at each other instead. Seems childish and short sighted to me but what do I know?
I reckon some heavy shit is coming. If there were no problems other than the economic mess that would be bad enough but I think you're right - this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
Stiggs:
@Icnif I dunno mate, I like a good conspiracy theory but you shouldn't underestimate corruption and incompetence. China can't stop people making and selling things like gutter oil,fake medicine, fake baby formula, Russian 'teachers' who can't speak English posing as American teachers etc... I can easily see them not being able to manage a virus - again. Well, they're probably going to get hit just as hard in the economic crash as the rest of us, should have policed those wet markets and / or labs a lot better.
But yeah, you're probably right, some crazy shite is coming. Hopefully not WW3 but I think a pretty major reset. In the long run it might even be for the best, who knows.
I can't open new comment ..., so 'Here we go my raincoats ...'
@Stiggs: 'gutter oil and baby milk' it's gov.'s responsibility ... by the western standards.
That's the all the fcuk with China ... they go with R hand to the L pocket around the arse ...'. I had feeling while in China, they misinterpret English all the time ... Now, what it bothered me, they were always on the ball when they had to show laowai's mistakes, but about laowai's rights from the contract was always ''we didn't know/understand right ...''.
It was pretentious, lying manure ...I am judging them now by the same facts I learned while in China.
Back to the CCP/Chinese gov.: 'You can prevent western Internet comes to your regular Chinese ('cause we must prevent riots ...), i.e. firewall; you can match each of 1.4 B Chinese through the cameras to database about their habits, expenses, behaving in traffic and more, butT ... you can't act responsible at the virus outbreak????
Why do they want holders of native English passports to work as an English teachers?
One could say, 'cause their English is too low to judge non-native English teacher ... if I turn the table around and I am looking for the Chinese teacher and I don't have a clue about Chinese language, I wouldn't be happy with Chinese language teacher from Sri Lanka ... he he.
Now, the thing about Russians posing as native Englishers in China is greed and nothing else. It is not attack toward English language as you natives might see it.
That kind of the mill doesn't know or care about teaching of their students. They just want to collect as much money as they can. Paraphrase of Brick Top: " ... that's why we say; "As greedy as pig ...". Bad Chinese ... again!
However I turn around, I see bad Chinese especially at the Covid manure ... Scum of the Earth ...
...and, I am not talking about regular Chinese people, 1.4B of them. No, leadership, only ...!
News that Robert Pattinson, the actor playing Batman in the most recent production caught covid19.
Is that ironic?
icnif77:
I was also thinking, he should be immune ...
Batman should have some bat soup ... here and there ... just to be authentic ..
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/robert-pattinson-covid-19-the-batman-1234760482/
" ... And then Batman got COVID-19."
They have rigorous protection protocol set at movie production ...
".. whoever comes closer than 6 ft. for longer than 15' to the Batman must undergo 14 days quarantine..".
Stiggs:
Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson and his family all got it too, and from what he said on TV it sounded pretty unpleasant.
Lol if even being a super hero in awesome health isn't enough to dodge a dose I'm going to my plan B, kill it with beer, steaks and chocolate.
Sandnose:
I like your plan. If you don't get it on an epic diet like that. Then we have proof of a vaccine. The brand of beer may need to be studied at length.
Stiggs:
I originally developed this vaccine during the SARS outbreak and - me being the scientific type - I've been testing it extensively since then. It seems to be working too, I still haven't caught SARS and apparantly it's also good for leprosy, the black death, rabies, ebola and scurvy, I haven't had them even once since I started testing.
I reckon I'm on to something here.
Sandnose:
It's bloody genius mate. Any suggestions as to which beer to apply first? Or just go straight for the Bundy Rum?
Stiggs:
Well I feel like Corona should be the obvious first choice but really, like most medications, the cheaper generic brands seem to work just as well.
The key is consistency, as any doctor will tell you - don't forget to take your meds.
Sandnose:
And of course it is very important to take all of the medication in the carton for best effect. I feel you need to keep medicating in this fashion to build a proper resistance.
Stiggs:
Yep, this is serious business, it's your health so you can't try to half arse it, got to do it right.
I wonder when can I go to USA and Europe again? Sad that all my trips are cancelled! I am stuck in China!
Sandnose:
Who'd've thunk Vicky was so svelt or the water in Nong He (both the name of her village and the place where the local peasants bathe, defecate, wash clothes and drink) so pristine. I'm ashamed to admit that I thought both would be shabbier.
icnif77:
As my buddy from US Embassy in Shanghai told me that wedgie was taken on Mykonos ...
They use that pic to compare buttocks of female applicants for the US Tourist visa ... only ones who already successfully passed through the new, very precise and narrow metal detector at the Embassy's entrance.
There is a new policy on admittance for short visits to USA ... apparently only females with nice patooties get visas for US and all larger 'gluteus maximus' get denied.
The policy is called 'Waist-Hip Ratio' ... , butT .. in real, Yanks just want to protect Kardashians. IMO ...
There is no more free market ... only butts-4-butts ...
Remind me again, pls., who said we'll never find out ... the truth ...?
'Rogue' Chinese Virologist Claims She Has "Evidence" COVID-19 Was Created In A Lab
"People are scared of the government but this was something urgent...I could not keep silent..."
SEP 12, 2020 8:45 AM
Once again, the claims of a rogue Chinese scientist with a lot to say, and at least some evidence to back up her claims, has been ignored by the mainstream media. Intead, Chinese virologist Dr. Li-Meng Yan, who was among the first to study the virus at a prestigious university in Hong Kong, where she worked before fleeing China, appeared on the British interview show 'Loose Women' late last week. During the interview, she answered questions about her claims, and reiterated that the CCP didn't just deliberately cover up COVID-19 in a manner that led to thousands of unnecessary deaths, the party also knew that SARS-CoV-2 was created by Chinese scientists.
Asked about the origins of the virus, the doctor said "it comes from a lab," again rejecting reports from last year that the virus originated from a Wuhan wet market, claiming they were a "smokescreen".
Dr. Li also commented on her claims that Beijing deliberately tried to cover up the outbreak when it first learned of the killer virus, effectively allowing it to escape China and infect the world. When she sounded the alarm about human-to-human transmission in December last year, her former supervisors at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, a reference laboratory for the World Health Organization, silenced her. After a while, she "could not keep silent", and decided to flee.
In April, Yan reportedly fled Hong Kong and escaped to America in an effort to evade persecution and to 'spread the truth' about the pandemic.
"From the beginning, I decided to get this message out in the world and it was very scary in the world because I'm a doctor and I knew if I don't tell the truth to the world I will regret it myself in the future."
"I never thought this would happen when I did the secret investigation, I [thought] I would speak to my supervisor and they would do the right thing on behalf of the government."
"But what I saw was nobody responding to that. People are scared of the government but this was something urgent, and Chinese New Year time, [I knew] this was a dangerous virus and all these things meant I could not keep silent, there are human beings and global health [at risk]."
China's national health commission has denied that the outbreak started in the lab, insisting there is "no evidence" the new coronavirus was created in a laboratory. Beiing has already scapegoated a large group of local party officials for the errors.
But Dr. Li's testimony remains extremely compelling.
10' interview with Dr. Li-Meng Yan on the weblink ...LOOSE WOMEN ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rogue-chinese-virologist-joins-twitter...
'Rogue' Chinese Virologist Joins Twitter, Publishes "Smoking Gun" Evidence COVID-19 Created In Lab
On Saturday we reported that Dr. Li-Meng Yan - a Chinese virologist (MD, PhD) who fled the country, leaving her job at a prestigious Hong Kong university - appeared last week on British television where she claimed SARS-CoV-2, the virus which causes COVID-19, was created by Chinese scientists in a lab.
On Sunday, Li-Meng joined Twitter - and on Monday, just hours ago, she tweeted a link to a paper she co-authored with three other Chinese scientists titled:
Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route
.. more...
As a reminder, Zero Hedge was banned from Twitter on Jan 31 for making just this allegation, following a hit-piece written by an alleged pedophile (who was later fired for plagiarism) and countless so-called "scientists" screaming that our take was fake news and nothing but propaganda. Five months later Twitter admitted it had made a mistake, stating "we made an error in our enforcement action in this case".
Detailed instruction on how to make Covid virus in a lab ... in 6-months time .. by Dr. Li-Meng Yan, if somebody is interested in more bio-logical-wars ...
icnif77:
Twitter Suspends Account Of Chinese Scientist Who Published Paper Alleging Covid Was Created In Wuhan Lab
Two days ago we asked "How long before the @LiMengYAN119 account is silenced." The answer:two days.
The suspension took place shortly after Dr Yan had accumulated roughly 60,000 followers in less than 48 hours. The snapshot below was taken earlier in the day precisely in anticipation of this suspension.
It is very hard to answer this since there is no one who admits to it and so does the lack of evidence on where and how the Corona Virus was created so only the scientists would know.
WARNING:
"Please, all posters on the Board STAY AWAY from the sampling of bat soup!"
"It Was All A Lie": Biden-Linked WHO Adviser Says COVID-19 'Likely' Leaked From Wuhan Lab
"We know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in gain of function research on bat coronaviruses."
- SAT JAN 23, AT 7:25 PM
"Lab leak credibility ..." report ...
, i.e. "in-ten-tio-na-lly" pron. 'in-ten-tschoo-naa-li ...'
Meaning: "In an intentional manner; with intention or design; of purpose; not casually."
https://news.yahoo.com/lab-leak-theory-once-political-dynamite-gains-cre...
This part ...:
"What virologists do have is genetic code. On June 6, physicist Richard Muller and physician Steven Quay published an article in the Wall Street Journal pointing out that the coronavirus contained a genetic sequence called double CGG that is a hallmark of laboratory experiments with viruses. That same sequence is rarely found in nature.
The double CGG sequence is found at the critical furin cleavage site — the very same feature that the Australians had found lacking in pangolin coronaviruses.
Fidopiastis, the CalPoly microbiologist lab., found the presence of that sequence curious as well. The coronavirus “doesn’t appear to have been circulating long enough prior to being noticed to have evolved a receptor so well optimized for human cells,” he told Yahoo News. “Thus, the lab manipulation scenario is far more likely than this happening by chance.”
I've always pin the entire blame on Australians .., i.e. Phil and Sandnose, too ...
