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Q: My research and conclusions about the CFTU/Scam Buster scam

Hi, following expatlife26's comments http://answers.echinacities.com/question/list-cftu-network-scam-sites?ty... , I am creating a separate post, hoping to share with you my research into the network we usually call here the "CFTU" due to the presence of regular troll and apologists from the "China Foreign Teachers Organization", a so-called union we already know is bogus.

 

The overwhelming presence this organization and its affiliates into the "China expat network" (just put yourself in the position of your classic ESL teacher looking for a job and Google about stuff, soon or later you WILL stumble upon it) made me curious, and I decided to extend my research. Here is the data I could put up, and the conclusions I draw.

 

I'm sorry if this topic seems redundant for people who are not necessarily familiar with it, but I hope this topic will get some exposure, and avoid people wasting anymore time into this bullshit, or worse, get scammed. If this bores you, please bear with me or simply ignore me.

 

Ok. So, what I discovered is a nicely crafted smoke screen, obviously put in place by an experienced con artist just as expatlife has been suspecting for a while now. I decided to hierarchize my discoveries into 4 + 1 categories, as follow:

 

1 - The CFTU/"Scam Busters" core network

2 - The friendly network

3 - The externally hosted SEO boosting network

4 - The legit domains under wumao occupation

(here it gets interesting) 5 – The headquarter - The Craig/Greg/Kenneth Hill network

 

If you are too lazy to read, here is my conclusion (for people with VPN only I guess) :

 

 

If you are interested, let's start then with all the data I could collect :

 

1 - The CFTU/Scam busting Core Network

Consisting of self owned domains, pushing either the « CFTU » or the « Scam busting » agenda of saying that “China is a very dangerous place full of danger”.

 

chinaforeignteachersunion.org

Creation Date: 2012-08-26

Updated Date: 2014-08-27

Sponsoring Registrar: GoDaddy.com

Remarks : Core domain of the CFTU. Various articles about the dangers of being a ESL teacher in China. Amateurish look.

The CFTU is a volunteer organization composed of foreign teachers working in China dedicated to promoting creative and progressive education as well as protecting the interests of foreign teachers in China. For a copy of our mission statement please send an email to MS[at]ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org. All foreign teachers employed in China are encouraged to apply for CFTU membership and enjoy the collective strength and support of your 29,642 expat colleagues now teaching in China.”

 

chinaforeignteachersunion.com

Updated Date: 27-aug-2014

Creation Date: 26-aug-2012

Registrar: GoDaddy.com

Remarks : Core domain of the CFTU. Various articles about the dangers of being a ESL teacher in China. Amateurish look.

“This is a peer to peer blog site for China foreign teachers and expats to advise one another of important issues and scams in progress. Use it well to your advantage!” A peer to peer blog. Sure.

 

chinascampatrol.org

Creation Date: 2012-11-07

Updated Date: 2013-11-10

Registrar: GoDaddy.com

Remarks : Anti-scam blog.

“If your cheese is important to you, and you do not want to share it with scheming strangers from around the world, you have come to the right place. Our job here is to show you how to protect and hide your cheese from both bold & sophisticated thieves around the world. And, if they already stole your cheese, we'll show you how to get it back and warn others world-wide. If you cannot see the photos above/below, you need a VPN to view this website.”

LINKING TO:

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=615297

http://www.cleverchinacheaters.com/

 

cleverchinacheaters.com

Creation date : 26-aug-2012
Updated date : 27-aug-2014
Registar : GODADDY.COM

Remarks : Scam busting website, with a list of supposed offenders. Lots of unverified story with real names. Super amateurish look.

E-mail adresses : ChinaFraudCenter@Gmail.com

Last article date : 30/10/2012

Linking to :

www.International-Recovery-Service.com

 

international-recovery-service.com

Creation date : 07-nov-2012
Updated date : 20-nov-2013
Registar : GODADDY.COM

Remarks : Fraud recovery. Claiming to have busted the fraud of « Clever China Cheaters ». Sure. amateurish look. Expires on nov 7th 2014. Will it be renewed ?

E-mail adresses : IRSAsia@Gmail.com

Last article date : 05/10/2012

If you have been victimized by a Clever China Cheater's fraud - relax. Stop cursing long enough to read this. Do not panic. There is a very good chance you can get your money back if you know the real name of the person you were dealing with, or the address of where the company is really located. Even if you don't know either piece of information there is still a 50/50 chance of recovery. With the above information, your odds grow to over 80%. What do you need to do now most is calm down and fight your urge to run to a lawyer. Why?”

Linking to :

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/expat-life/china-scam-patrol-fighting-clever-with-clever/

http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2012/10/05/foreigners_go_shark_fishing_to_catch_clever_china_cheaters

http://www.CleverChinaCheaters.com

http://www.globaltrade.net/international-trade-import-exports/f/business/pdf/China/Legal-and-Compliance-How-To-Get-Your-Money-Back-From-Clever-China-Cheaters.html

http://www.zimbio.com/investment+fraud/articles/3Znb81oIJ0o/Clever+China+Cheaters+No+Longer+Untouchables

 

chinascambusters.com

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC

Updated Date: 10-nov-2013

Creation Date: 17-dec-2012

Last article date : 31/12/2012

 

 

 

2 - The Kinda friendly network

A bunch of websites that aren't linkable per say but sure as hell are kind of friendly and present in a bunch of recurring links. They look more pro, but dodgy as hell.

 

http://eslwatch.info/

Type : Website

Creation date : 2010-03-21
Updated date : 2013-12-21
Registar : GODADDY.COM

Other might be relevant info :

Registrant Organization:Right In Front Marketing & Promotions

Registrant Street: Apartdo De Correos

Registrant City:177 Muro De Alcoy

Registrant State/Province:Alicante

Registrant Email:kevn.cope@gmail.com

Remarks : Not a blog. Semipro looking website. « What we do? ESL watch encourages positive and negative reviews on hagwons, schools, universities and recruiters. » Claiming to have stories from all over the world. Reality is most of the non-China sections are either empty, or nearly empty. Datamining suspected.

Last article date : 22-oct-2014

Linking to : Home page links to

EnglishJobFinder.com

ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org (presented as a Volunteer organisation protecting teachers in China.)

 

EnglishJobFinder.com

Creation date : 28-aug-2007
Updated date : 30-jul-2014

Registar : GODADDY.COM

Other might be relevant info :

Registrant Name: kevin cope

Registrant Organization:

Registrant Street: 8 merrills avenue

Registrant City: crewe

Registrant State/Province: cheshire

Registrant Postal Code: CW2 8SP

Registrant Country: United Kingdom

Remarks : Same template as http://eslwatch.info/. Supposedly for finding jobs. Facebook/Twitter/RSS link all lead back to eslwatch.

 

3 - The externally hosted SEO boost network

Clearly a part of the scheme, but not self hosted. As amateurish looking and full of shit as the core network.

 

China Business Central - http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central

Type : Blog

First post : 05/10/2012

Last post : 20/10/2014

Remarks : Blog relaying scary stories about ESL in China. « China Arrests Fake Foreign Teachers & ESL Job Recruiters » and such, along with random stories from China. On a side note, you'll find a bunch of other bogus organizations like the “Pegasus production” and “China Youth Football League”.

Links to : www.CleverChinaCheaters.com

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/expat-life/scam-busters-introducing-china-scam-patrol1/ http://www.zimbio.com/Venture+Capital/articles/rCq7fS5fsn0/Foreign+Robin... http://www.International-Recovery-Service.com/

http://www.ChinaScamPatrol.org http://www.globaltrade.net/f/business/pdf/China/Legal-and-Compliance-How-To-Get-Your-Money-Back-From-Clever-China-Cheaters.html
http://chinascamalert.wordpress.com/

http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com

 

http://chinafraudpatrol.blogspot.dk/

First post : 29/04/2013

Last post : 20/09/2014

Remarks : Blog relaying the usual scary BS stories about ESL in China (shady recruiters and scam agents).

Links to :

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2013/01/31/beware-chinaesl-scam-alert-rebecca-tang-will-rip-you

http://eslwatch.info/china-2/bad-recruiters-review-in-china/7150-webb-international

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/is-the-china-daily-post-and-editor-craig-hill-a-shill-scam/

http://forums.eslcafe.com/teacher/viewtopic.php?p=45560

http://www.thebeijinger.com/node/1592803
http://www.abroadreviews.com/tefl-tesol-certificate-scams-no-china-requi... http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=616386

http://www.chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6753

http://www.chinascambusters.com

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/news-98/603-china-newsflash/12162-official-foreign-teacher-requirements-to-teach-esl-tefl-in-china-today-not-what-you-think.html

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=617489 http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com

 

 

http://chinascamalert.wordpress.com/

Type : Blog

First post : 17/02/2013

Last post : 19/10/2014

Hosted at : Wordpress

Remarks : Header name « China Wolf Watch » Blog about scams and working in China.

Links to :

http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com

http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304655304579547433343514724

http://www.stockgumshoe.com/reviews/sa-short-report/backdoor-loophole-into-the-biggest-ipo-in-history/

http://www.chinascambusters.com

http://www.chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org

http://eslwatch.info/china-2/news-98/603-china-newsflash/12192-veteran-esl-china-teacher.html

http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/09/07/new_china_foreign_employee_teacher_requirements_now_strict

 

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/

Type : Blog

First post : 15/19/2014

Last post : 14/02/2013

Hosted at : Wordpress

Remarks : First post is a slanderous article about Echinacities, quoting Craig/Greg Hill's « China Daily Mail ».

Links to :

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/07/14/china-targets-foreigners-through-expat-websites/

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/09/30/chinese-school-recruiters-scam-expat-teachers/

http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12147-beware-of-agents-recruiters-masquerading-as-esl-tefl-teachers-at-expat-esl-tefl-forums.html

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/04/12/too-many-agents-recruiters-now-posting-teachers-expat-forums

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/china-expat-forums-friend-or-foe-either-way-a-conflict-of-interest-for-sure/

http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/03/13/phony_china_recruiters_now_target_5000_expats_monthly_1

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140826064935AAKBSKG

http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

http://worldwolfwatch.wordpress.com

http://chinascambusters.com

http://chinaforeignteachersunion.org

http://globalblacklist.org

http://eslwatch.info

http://www.cleverchinacheaters.com/2012/09/10-reasons-why-you-should-never-use.html

 

http://worldwolfwatch.wordpress.com/

Type : Blog

First post : 05/04/2014

Last post : 05/04/2014

Hosted at : Wordpress

Mails quoted : investigations@chinascampatrol.org complaintdetails@chinascamcentral.com

Remarks : First post is a slanderous article about Echinacities, quoting Craig/Greg Hill's « China Daily Mail ».

Links to :

http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com

http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

http://www.CleverChinaCheaters.com.

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1783414&postcount=3

 

A couple of lazy ones with only 1 article

http://internationalteflreviews.wordpress.com/

http://globalteflreviews.wordpress.com/

 

4 - The legit domains under wumao occupation

These websites are legit places where apologists managed to get in and are pushing their agenda. Which is mainly about crafting authentic sources, SEO, slandering ECC and sucking their own dicks.

 

ESL Base

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125
« Did you notice the fake teachers posting on ESL/TEFL forums? »

Date : 18 Nov 2013
 

ESL Jobs

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

« China Forum Job Scam Fraud Is Getting Outrageous! »

Date : 21/04/2013

« The CFTU just got banned from ECC after identifying fake ads from 7 dodgy recruiters, followed by a smear campaign against the volunteer teachers group in China by 3 ECC users who write with the same style. I then stumbled across this post from another user, and now it all makes sense to me.. »

Remember the part where Almost & Co. identified dodgy recruiters ? Because I don't. But heh, anything goes, who will go check.

 

Scam.Com

This website is a forum aimed at denouncing various scams (even though actually it looks more like a scam itself, but since the register date goes back to 1994, I'm just going to give it due respect). Ok, so on the « internet » section,

http://www.scam.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

you will find a couple of very prolific accounts from the network. « Meteor » and « Curious Carol » which are mainly in the business of – as usual - sucking their own dicks from within the network and slandering ECC as a scam website.

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=620155

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=616386

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=623305

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=624768

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=620902

 

Yahoo Answers

From a very prolific user called « Ivy » https://answers.yahoo.com/activity/questions?show=Q5AU3Y5GKFF6APAHQWQRLBB5F4&t=g all the usual scary blah and links soup

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130503170222AA7AW44

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140918175505AAFw9As

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0SO8w1b9_pTn3sAyBBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzbTBtMWhyBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1NNRTY1Nl8x?qid=20100627064936AAAcCmf

Moar vendetta agains ECC.

 

Scamwarners.com

Not much to say https://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=88874

 

5 – The headquarter - The Craig/Greg/Kenneth Hill network

At first glance, it looks like it's having very little to do with all of the above. At first glance only. The owner, an ex-moderator of ECC (Traveler), often gets very slanderous about ECC and his main site, the « China Daily Mail » is yet another empty shell that is actually going in the exact same direction as the CFTU and affiliates.

 

China Daily Mail

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC

Updated Date: 12-may-2013

Creation Date: 25-feb-2012

Registrant Name: Kenneth Hill

Registrant Organization:

Registrant Street: Luoyang Yi Gao

Registrant City: Luoyang

Registrant State/Province: Henan

Registrant Postal Code: 471000

Registrant Country: China

Registrant Phone: 1-519-821-9953

Registrant Phone Ext:

Registrant Fax:

Registrant Fax Ext:

Registrant Email: contact@craighill.net

 

Looks legit? Look better. It's datamining at its best.

Okay, so the China Daily Mail introduces itself as « News and Opinions From Inside China ».

Except that in reality, there are hardly any news and opinion in the China Daily Mail. Most of the articles you will find there are ripped off copypastas from other websites, see this example :

 

China Daily Mail version : http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/29/china-bans-battlefield-4-video-game-declares-it-a-threat-to-national-security/

Original version : http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/12/28/china-issues-blanket-battlefield-4-ban/

 

The original is from Forbes. The only difference in the China Daily Mail version is the presence of a soup of irrelevant links (like the "Russia" word linking to its Wikipedia article). Typical Search Engine Optimization stuff also used by the CFTU network.

That shameless data mining even goes to the point where the site boasts it has like 60 contributors. All of them are either unverifiable, or nonexistant individuals, all posting rip-offs from other sites. Most don't exist. And if they exist, they certainly aren't willingly contributing to the China Daily Mail. Like Alexander Crossley here:

http://chinadailymail.com/author/alexandercrossley/

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/11/18/chinas-xi-jinping-outlines-significant-reform-pledges/

http://alexander-crossley.com/2013/11/22/chinas-xi-jinping-outlines-significant-reform-pledges/

 

Okay, now we established the China Daily Mail is BS, let's have a look at the ONLY original articles you will find on CCM:

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/27/fake-expat-website-claims-western-countries-see-china-in-a-very-positive-light/

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/07/08/chinas-new-visa-laws-target-expats/

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/09/30/chinese-school-recruiters-scam-expat-teachers/

http://chinadailymail.com/2012/07/01/visa-rules-tighten-for-foreigners-in-china-10-years-expulsion/

Starting to see a pattern here?

 

Oh wait but there's more, see how he slanders us all on ECC in the most hilarious manner.

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/27/fake-expat-website-claims-western-countries-see-china-in-a-very-positive-light/

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18/echinacities-expat-website-now-a-propaganda-machine/

 

So at this point, I can see zero editorial difference between the China Daily Mail and all the CFTU network. Zero.

 

But yeah, I remember this post :

http://answers.echinacities.com/node/126507

A post from a year ago about Traveler, revealing himself as Craig Hill, calling the crap our of the CFTU. Confusing, right. Except that it's alledgedly BS. Keep reading.

Traveler claims he has investigated the CFTU, here is his conclusion:

 

http://chinadailymail.com/2013/03/25/china-foreign-teachers-union-could-be-another-chinese-scam/

Yeah, a 404. It's even still present in the « Expat Warnings » section of his main page. Why delete it?

But let's go back to that ECC post.

 

Quoting him:

« Not being totally adverse to such an operation, I set out to find out more. My email asking for more information, and offering to promote their service on other websites (not the answer board), was met with stony silence. A standard Chinese response, and warning light 3.
That is not to say I did not receive emails from them, under their various identities. One email asked me to side with them against eChinacities because they advertised for a specific agent in Beijing. It seemed the writer was out for revenge on this agent. My guess is because the agent didn't pay money to the union. Warning light 4
I received another email today, from sarahmplane, demanding an apology for exposing her as a scam. The email went to great lengths to convince me that she was genuine, and not one of the multiple identities. Again, a typical reaction from a Chinese person who has lost face. Also, the need to "fool the foreigner." Warning light
5. »

 

Nicely put.

Well, for starters, the CFTU and other child websites, they sure publish a FUCKING LOT of different mail contact adresses, to say the least. Just like Traveler, I decided to send emails to a bunch of them, claiming to seek their help just to see how it would turn out.

I got exactly 0 answer.

Actually, there are so many e-mails, like literally dozens and dozens of those,probably no one ever bothered reading them, if they ever existed.

So. The CFTU, the « Scam Patrol » and all those BS websites don't even give two shits when someone bites.

Why? Because they're not meant to be taken seriously. The CFTU Is an empty shell that rebrands every couple of months or so. It is not THE agenda.

Now, consider also ont fact: contrary to what he claimed a year ago, Craig Hill/Traveler IS nowadays clearly siding against ECC through CCM. Everything both of them ever post these days are either scary stories, scam stories, or anti-ECC slanders. Looks like they're all pretty much on the same page, for supposedly open antagonists.

 

« There have been some interesting responses to this question, which was reposted on another site: www.chinadailymail.com/2013/03/25/china-foreign-teachers-union-could-be-another-chinese-scam/ First, CFTU edited their websites to cover up the concerns that had been pointed out, then attacked the article for inaccurate reporting. » - Traveler on ECC, quoting his infamous dead link.

« Was this just a disgruntled former employee?  After much debate and deliberation we believe that Craig aka “Traveler” at ECC let his conscience prevail and was maybe seeking redemption with the above articles, foe which he wins our respect. But some of us here like to play devil’s advocate and we said to ourselves, “What if this is all being done behind the owner’s back by some greedy employee?” » -http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/ Seriously.

 

So, what to think? Well, considering all the evidence, here is my theory :

The CFTU – China Scam bullshit AND Craig Hill/China Daily Mail and all the contents in all the links I cited belong to the same person. The patterns are the same, the writing is the same, the formatting is the same, the stupid stock photos are the same, the SEO is the same.

To what purpose? See below:

 

CraigHill.net

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC

Updated Date: 14-jun-2014

Creation Date: 17-jun-2010

LEADS TO

 

http://chinacashbuyers.com/

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC

Updated Date: 31-jul-2014

Creation Date: 05-aug-2012

WHICH LEADS TO

 

http://paulsalo.com/

Domain Name: PAULSALO.COM

Updated Date: 31-jul-2014

Creation Date: 25-oct-2007

 

All three domains (and maybe more), advertised in the China Daily Mail, are paid services.

- Craighill.net claims to be selling qualifications “starting at just $1200”. Which is like saying « Hey, you insecure expat, buy my education packages ».

- http://chinacashbuyers.com/ Claims to be selling instruction packages as to how to do business with Chinese. Which is like saying « Hey, you insecure expat, learn how to make business from me». Yes, Paul, let me in !

- http://paulsalo.com/ Well... just read it. Paul Salo is supposedly the owner of China Cash Buyer. “China is so confounding. Just when you love the place to bits, she kicks you in the face”. The rest of the blog is in the exact same vein.

 

So, here is the theory.

What would be the best promotion strategy for people selling this kind of bogus business/education packages?

Who would benefit from trying to make China look like a super insecure place for anyone trying to Google stuff about working/teaching/doing business?

Funding the problem and the solution altogether, a classic strategy and not really that hard to implement with time, organization and a good knowledge of search engines. Totally worth it if you can land some moron with an extra $1200 to spend every once in a while.

A hierarchy composed of crappy looking, dodgy as fuck websites that are actually empty shells, but contribute in creating an atmosphere of fear and paranoia, with a mix of better groomed domains and legit sites occupied by trolls is the one hell of a functional promotion to a problem that hardly exists in the first place .

Think also about the fact that, no matter what I say today, all the BS domains are already super well referenced. They can be modified and edited at anytime to promote any sort of bullshit overnight while benefiting from a large diffusion.

 

At least that's my guess about all that BS.

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-I'd agree but I already met a guy here,in China, who paid money to "get a job"

Sad thing is the guy was qualified, but ended up PAYING a recruiter...which is the worst thing you can do.

-I think there is more of a crazy, paranoia vibe from them then anything else.

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OMG! You have far too much time on your hands!

But good on you. Now. we just have to find a way to market your research...

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-I'd agree but I already met a guy here,in China, who paid money to "get a job"

Sad thing is the guy was qualified, but ended up PAYING a recruiter...which is the worst thing you can do.

-I think there is more of a crazy, paranoia vibe from them then anything else.

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Two points..

Firstly, connecting Craig Hill to CFTU is just... weird!!! If you've gone searching, you've found the long arguments that's gone on this site about all of this. So, personally, I don't think Craig and CFTU are connected. From what I've read of him elsewhere, there are better explanations... by similar logic to what you've posted above, yourself and Expat would also be a part of the whole scam... no??

 

Secondly, just for the record, I did email CFTU, and I did get a reply. Two replies, in fact. And further replies after I replied to their reply. And they weren't generic, as they responded directly to stuff I put in the email. (this doesn't say anything about legitimacy - I'm just mentioning that soem emails do get replies...).

 

I will state my position though... Expat has shown me ample evidence to recant my (minimal) support and defense of CFTU - at least until such time as I actually meet anyone involved. In that respect, Expat and myself do share a thought - if it's real, then we'd be all happy to see a real group operating with the ideals claimed!

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Interesting reading and impressive research (you do have too much time on your hands) but I am still confused about how all this (meaningless) hard work done by the STFU is worth the time or effort.

 

I know this might sound stupid or naive but I just don't get it. What is the point?

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I'll agree to one thing: I had way too much time on my hands, but this shit is... addictive... in its own wayyy.......yeah I already regret saying that, never mind.

 

More seriously, I just thought, instead of keeping complaining about it every time that plague comes back, let's do the job once and for all and see how it works.

Now at least it is hopefully a bit clearer. And if you think whoever did that did a tedious job for peanuts, just put yourself in the skin of a deceived or penniless ESL teacher for a minute and start Googling stuff, you'll see.

 

And trust me, I looked at every possible lead before I started to seriously consider linking it with CH, but in the end, all evidence taken, that was the only theory that truly made sense in every way I looked at it. And I will gladly consider any new lead or any contradiction anyone can offer.

 

Shiny_brow, mind sharing a bit about your exchanges with them? Because I tried a few baits with the most tempting angle I could think of but didn't get any result.

 

Anyway, cheers everyone, that was a nice investigation. Can't wait to see my ass get slandered all over the network. surprise

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Let me copy your comment here, Monsieur, cause there's no reason it should disappear, that would be too unfair:

 

Monsieur:

I agree that the OP is making waaaaay to many assumptions here. People may or may not be linked but from my own personal experience with New World ESL which turned out to be a fictitious company, and the BTV news story and the invitation letter posted at the the beijinger.com, I cannot believe that all of the below is not true since it comes from too many places and sources...

 

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/11/08/warning-all-new-life-esl-china-esl-china-foreign-teachers-urgent

 

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=635700

http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-or-schemes-in-china/12217-fergie.html

http://news.brtn.cn/20141110/VIDE1415617323529207.shtml

 

http://www.realscam.com/f8/scam-alert-newworldesl-com-govt-sting-targeting-china-foreign-teachers-esl-tefl-job-recruiters-3546/

 

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/m-visa-sting-wtf#comment_241850

 

As I explained in my other post here  http://answers.echinacities.com/question/m-visa-sting-wtf#comment_241850  I am not a member of the CFTU but have met a few personally who invited me to attend some different activities.  I did go on a bike hike to Bada chu mountain with them in 2013 but I never went to any of their meetings and am too busy to get involved with them.  I support ANY entity that expose people who cheat expats in China in any way. So in this respect, I support all the people mentioned by OP since I don't see where any of the 12 groups he mentioned ever cheated anyone or said something false.

And I actually agree with OP who says anyone can be anyone on the Internet and that includes posters on this forum and in this thread. From what I see, it is the same 3 or 4 people that attack the CFTU which leads me to believe they may either have an ax to grind with a CFTU official or maybe, and I emphasize "maybe" they are moonlighting as recruiters and may have been blacklisted by one of the groups the OP mentions. Is that so crazy to believe?  China is full of ulterior motives and agendas.

 

Anyway, just my personal opinion. The only groups I belong to are the NRA, WWF, and Korean Language Club.  The artwork of the OP is impressive but I think his conclusions are flawed and may be motivated by past hostilities with Craig Hill who apparently was a moderator on this website who left on bad terms.  Besides that BTV News clip and invitation letter posted at thebeijinger.com are not fake and was not produced by any of the groups mentioned by the OP. And since the CFTU was banned from this site, I think it is a bit unethical to trash them if they cannot defend themselves with a rebuttal. When someone starts screaming from a mountain top that they were swindled by one of these anti-scam groups, maybe I will reconsider.  Right now, I hope more phony recruiters get busted and I hope more fake wannabe teachers get deported because they give all of us a bad name in China.

 

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I see you've been busy trying to reach out new "sources". Kudos for insisting on The Beijinger, since they also ban and delete your messages when they find them.

Sadly this really achieves nothing but make you so easy to spot. Anyone spending five minutes on getting used to your bullshit will see the pattern.

 

I assume many people that aren't familiar to the story will come to read this post, so I'll repeat once again: CFTU does not exist. CFTU is a fake and a scam, and anyone talking about this in a way that might suggest it truly exists is part of the bullshit, regardless of the opinion they develop about it, or any unverifiable detail they mention. And truly, all it takes is that you talk about it like something real, and following this, every single item on the list of how to bust your bullshit will inevitably check out.

As expatlife said, no one, and I say no one ever talks about the CFTU except you. It doesn't exist in any real news, it doesn't exist among any real expat website that we can relate to, and it sure as hell does not exist in real life.

 

The only thing i'm not 100% sure is the relation to Craig Hill, but it sure is suspect enough so that people didn't call me crazy when I developed such a far fetched theory.

 

Oh yeah, and one last thing, I understand that you don't want to blow up your cover, but really, the "CFTU" is not banned from this site, your BS accounts are, prolly after the IPs matched in the database. I'm sure even grumpy cat admin, which I have no relation with whatsoever and is usually busy running a website, not a con, will be at least curious enough to grant the puppet master the right to pop an account just to explain himself (I even promise I'll make as if I genuinely believe you aren't the same person, so you don't feel too cornered). I'm not talking on Admin's name but I'm sure we'll have a silent agreement on this. Come on, don't be afraid. Now what's your answer, big boy?

And no smoke screen, no answering to questions that were never asked, I even bolded the important parts to make it easy for you. No one gets confused at your BS anymore here.

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Congratulations. You just discovered how SEO works.

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And as Manuel would say....."Que?"

I've got very little to do.  Mostly I just read a book.  I buy them from a UK website that reliably delivers them to me for free.

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That was a ton of research... Basically way more than enough to back up what is pretty much common sense ... I think the reason they have a presence on Beijinger is because if anybody has ever been to that site it's mostly a ghost forum with few new posts - just the same 5 accounts / personalities making flame threads against each other. Sorta laughing at that Monsieur guy trying to substantiate his argument by using the Beijinger as new source.

By the way, we can enjoy your wonderful graphic with a wonderful song too.

I like your pants around your feet
And I like the dirt that's on your knees
And I like the way you still say please
While you're looking up at me
You're like my favorite d*** disease

Sources : an awesome Nickelback song called "Figured you out"

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there's a scam dot com website? seriously?

on a sidenote, after browsing all those websites, riririri, i'd run an antivirus scam if i were you. i mean scan.
@scan: no not you, scan. a computer scam. SCAN! ugh…

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http://craighill.net/about/

 

Oh this is so hilarious.

Nice attempt at making yourself a Wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Craig_Hill_(Australian_writer)&action=edit&redlink=1

 

Oh and the

"coordinates more than 50 contributors to his website writing about political and social events in China"

Killer. Man you should coordinate your men better, seems your precious contributors are all leaking "your" articles elsewhere. Like total copypasta. Wierd huh.

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The guy who writes this stuff is a troll. He uses all these different websites, creates multiple usernames and links back to them. He slanders other people online and tells lies.

 

Who knows what his real name is. ****** is one that is used on the eslwatch.info page. So that is possibly him. I am pretty sure he is interested in marketing though as is mentioned in "Right Front Marketing productions" and I have also seen him use some pictures on his sites of famous marketers.

 

I really wonder if people believe his stuff? Good to have found this on that guy.

 

I would ask admin to delink the stuff to his sites above though. As someone said below linking to his stuff only helps it in the search engines. Or add a "nofollow" tag.

 

He has another site called freechinainternships.blogspot.com

More on that guy:

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2015/04/20/warning-scam-blackmailing-cyberterrorism-cftu-anthony-bruce-dimarco-aka-dicarlo

And:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Anthony-Bruce-DeMarko/internet/nbspCFTU-Anthony-Bruce-DiMarco-aka-DeMarco-aka-DiCarlo-Scam-blackmailing-cyberterrori-1223497

And:

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/list-cftu-network-scam-sites?type=alatest

 

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