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Q: Perfect timing (changing job)

Hi everyone, I wonder if you could help me. I want to change my job next year. My current contract expires in the end of August 2016 so I would like to start my new job in September 2016 or a little later if necessary. Let's suppose I can find a suitable job. When I should start dealing with all formalities? I mean changing my visa, residence permit, signing contract with my new employer etc. My current employer will be informed about my plans on time (they must know 5 month before I leave them (otherwise I must pay quite a lot), but they always start asking me about my plans for the next year much earlier and not just asking, if I say I want to continue, I have to sign new contract for much ahead). It would be my first time changing job in China, after few years of working for one company, and I would like everything to go as smoothly as possible...Thank you in advance 

4 years 21 weeks ago in  Business & Jobs - Beijing

 
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you are under no obligation to remain with your current employer if you don't want to at the end of your contract.

If they want you to remain, ask them what additional pay/benefits they are going to give you to stay.

at least look as if you are willing to negotiate - although you have no intention to.

get another job asap.

even if you like to play fair, your employer probably won't.

but definitely have a job lined up before the end of your contract.

 

are you sure you have the dates right?

you are looking for a job this year - 2015, or next year - 2016?

if you are talking about next year - 2016 - you are thinking way to far ahead.

no-one is hiring now for September 2016

if your current employer is asking about September next year - that is just weird and way to soon: sure they barely know the dates of this years public holidays.

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I think it's best to have a job lined up before you quit your current job, so start looking. 

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Provision of 'telling your School 5m in advance of renewing Contract or no' is fishy. 

That is impossible, because you must sign Contract with new School, in order to be sure you'll leave your present employer.

I've never signed new Contract earlier than 15 days before RP expiration.

But as above, you should get new job first with Contract sign.

Just tell them 'probably, I won't renew the Contract. I have desire to see more different cities in China' and similar.

 

More on extending RP/changing employer here:

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/i-need-renew-my-z-visaresidence...

I have so many points....

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Thank you guys. That's why I feel kind of trapped...If I don't sign a new contract half year (or earlier) before my current contract expires (or even suggest that I have some different plans) they will consider my work position as a "tempting vacancy". In case of not finding new job on time, I can loose this job. I believe it's almost impossible to find a satisfactory new job which will wait for me for 5 month. So, just to make sure: signing a contract with a future employer before I quit my current job is generally accepted practice? I'm asking without judging, just don't have a lot of experience in this field. I like fair play (fishy or not, I had signed the contract willingly). I guess I could quit before next summer, then pay what I must pay, and have a clear conscience, because in summer my absence will not cause them too many troubles (sounds foolish?crying).And leaving aside the question of a clear conscience, can I have problems with getting my Release Letter if I quit before my contract expires? I assume worst-case scenario, I am in rather good relation with the company (but maybe it's because I'd never been a troublemaker for them). 

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you are under no obligation to remain with your current employer if you don't want to at the end of your contract.

If they want you to remain, ask them what additional pay/benefits they are going to give you to stay.

at least look as if you are willing to negotiate - although you have no intention to.

get another job asap.

even if you like to play fair, your employer probably won't.

but definitely have a job lined up before the end of your contract.

 

are you sure you have the dates right?

you are looking for a job this year - 2015, or next year - 2016?

if you are talking about next year - 2016 - you are thinking way to far ahead.

no-one is hiring now for September 2016

if your current employer is asking about September next year - that is just weird and way to soon: sure they barely know the dates of this years public holidays.

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Sorrel, I know it looks strange, but the dates are correct. Before last Christmas they suggested me to sign my Contract Renewal for 2015-2016 (until August 2016). I signed it...It's quite OK for me to stay there one year more, until my contract expire.  But probably after this summer holiday they will ask me about my future plans.  And will suggest me signing another contract (for 2016-2017) and I really prefer not to do it. So actually, I can do only two things: A. After this summer holiday start looking (not desperately) for a new good job. And after signing the contract with my new employer (right?) quit my current job, pay for not informing them earlier, with a guilty conscience, but if I don't take care of myself, nobody else will. or B. Wait until my contract expires in August 2016. But as I will declare much earlier that I don't want to stay there for another year, (and they will force some kind of declaration), they will have someone to replace me. This way I must find a new job shortly before quitting this job, without being sure whether I find it or not. Then I will not feel guilty, and I don't have to pay a penalty. But probably I will not find a good job on time. 

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It sounds like your contract is illegal under Chinese employment law. My 3 year contract with a manufacturing company only required me to give 1 months notice. Asking you to give 5 months notice AND pay a penalty for less than that is illegal here. As icnif's suggestion...contact SAFEA & ask them where you stand. 

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Thank you all. Does anyone here have any experience with contacting SAFEA to check your future/current employer and so on? If I ask them to help me check my current contract (before finding new employer) and it turns out that indeed is illegal, can it turn against me? Like they would cancel my work permit for example?I thought I could contact them to know where do I stand, but If my current employer let me quit my job without any trouble, I would prefer not to mention that I had contacted SAFEA to check them and our contract. First, because I prefer not to leave bad impression there, if I can avoid it. And secondly, I got the feeling that my current employer has good guanxi. Would it be better to contact SAFEA after getting new job, new contract (I mean before I quit)? Then I could check at once both employers, both contracts...

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edit, double post

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Your contract expires in August? And your employer requires 5 months notice that your contract will expire or you will have to pay a lot? Get a new account and try again.

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"Christmas they suggested me to sign my Contract Renewal "

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