The place to ask China-related questions!
Beijing Shanghai Guangzhou Shenzhen Chengdu Xi'an Hangzhou Qingdao Dalian Suzhou Nanjing More Cities>>

Categories

Close
Welcome to eChinacities Answers! Please or register if you wish to join conversations or ask questions relating to life in China. For help, click here.

By continuing you agree to eChinacities's Privacy Policy .

Sign up with Google Sign up with Facebook
Sign up with Email Already have an account? .
Posts: 3442

Emperor

2
2
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

Q: Should the state or the Pope run the Catholic Church in China?

China's state-run Catholic Church has stripped a bishop of his title, five months after he announced he was quitting the Church's oversight body, China's Patriotic Catholic Association (CPCA).

 

There has been longstanding tension between Beijing and the Vatican.

 

Rome, which approved the appointment of the bishop, does not recognise the CPCA, which in turn rejects the Pope's authority. Both claim the exclusive right to appoint bishops.

 

So who should be in charge?

 

bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20681096

7 years 46 weeks ago in  General  - China

 
Answers (11)
Comments (18)
Posts: 2634

Emperor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

without a doubt, this is a case for a KANGAROO COURT,,,,,,,,,,,,court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or PERVERTED.

the Kangaroo provides visiting workers a place to drink, fight, and gamble with an intensity that can not be controlled.

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

I have just read it this morning. it is a bit weird. they arrest him because wanna follow the real catholic from Vatican ... 

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 1933

Shifu

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

You know, I always kind of roll my eyes when they call China feudal or 900 years in the past and then BAM investiture contest.

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 50

Governor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

To me, any religious organisation has better things to do than wrestle over politics.  What's the point taking the supposed moral high ground on an issue of allegiance when then fundamental task and witness of the Catholic Church is compromised.  Who really cares about the power struggles - people just want to see and experience a witness of love and tolerance.  How can a political realignment demonstrate a church's spiritual mission?  Like it or not, I think the PRC has every right and privilege of deciding for itself, within its own parameters of meaning, who and what is acceptable.  If I were Catholic [I am not], I wouldn't care one iota about this wrangle - just get on with the real stuff, that's what I say!

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 6321

Emperor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

I am Catholic. I follow the Pope.

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 2549

Emperor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

Both parties have the same agenda but for different reasons.

Control of people's hearts and minds and wallets.

Nothing wrong with faith but blind faith in religion can be a messy thing and has been the end of many many people through out history.

The problem with the Catholic Church is they are big and easy to bully because of their structure.

 

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

In the global level of things in China, the Catholic Church is essentially a non-player.  In  a country of about 1.something billion persons, there are perhaps twenty-five million Catholic, both in the unofficial and official churches.  That is indeed a small amount.

 

Catholicism is a left over from era of battle ship diplomacy and foreign concessions.  Pre-1949 the Catholic Church had a particularly scurious reputation, as it does today in Ireland for example, from abusing orphans, to abetting prostitution, to having recognized and furthered the Pu Yi puppet regime under the Japanese.  The Vatican had an Apostolic Nuncio / Delegate in Changchun right up until the end of the war. In Shanghai in particular it was most nefarious.

 

Anyway, the Catholic Church believes in what is called Apostolic Succession in terms of the higher clergy.  In China, the church has become bereft of apostolic succession so it decidedly a rump church or  a Catholic Church but not Roman.

 

 

 

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 650

Shifu

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

If the pope is not the head it is just just more copyright stealing. There is no catholic church

without the pope.

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 50

Governor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0
Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 50

Governor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

981977405 - No need to copy and paste the RC position on the Succession.  I am not interested in a discussion about whether or not the Bishop of Rome has primacy over any other Bishops - that's a crisis that is only entertained in Rome.  The point of my response is, firslty, that the Pope is not only a religious leader; he is also a head of state.  Thus, the appointment of Bishops on China is not the deed of a religious leader, but the deed of a head of state who interferes with the sovereignty of another state [PRC].  Secondly, the Apostolic Succession has nothing to do with the primacy of the Bishop of Rome - this is only an RC perspective.  If this were true, then the Second Vatican Council would hardly recognise the validity of the Holy Orders of Orthodox and Oriental Churches who are not, as you are aware, in communion with the Bishop of Rome.  To summarise, then, it is my view that the PRC has every privilege to reject the appointment of Bishops by Rome since these appointments are done by a head of state [the Pope] without acknowledgement of the head of state of the PRC.  Additionally, the ecclesiastical and sacramental status of the orthodox and oriental communities demonstrates that communion with Rome is NOT a requirement for valid Apostolic Succession.  There is no point presenting a spiritual perspective on this matter - it is quite irrelevant.

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Posts: 50

Governor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

GuilinRaf:  Good point you made.  Now my question, shouldn't the argument, then, be about who is in communion with Christ, and not the Pope?  Who cares about who is in communion with the Pope?  A Bishop may be in full communion with Christ without being in full communion with the Pope - ask Orthodox and Oriental Bishops!  It doesn't really matter how this argument develops, the RC perspective is a political one that defies the sovereignty of the PRC.

Report Abuse
7 years 46 weeks ago
 
Know the answer ?
Please or register to post answer.

Report Abuse

Security Code: * Enter the text diplayed in the box below
Image CAPTCHA
Enter the characters shown in the image.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <img> <br> <p> <u>
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Textual smileys will be replaced with graphical ones.

More information about formatting options

Forward Question

Answer of the DayMORE >>
A: Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were loo
A:Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were looking for a church wedding. Chinese weddings are pretty grim IMO - you go to a barren govt dept with souless officials and navigate red tape so some guy can give you a red stamp and a marriage book. You get expensive pictures taken of you both posing in places you'd never go to in everyday life that is somehow supposed to represent your wedding, then a while later it's off to a restaurant where a game show host kind of guy makes sure it's as tacky as possible while the guests eat as fast as they can so they can leave as soon as they finish eating and gave you money. Hell, I'd go to Thailand or the Philippines and get married in Paradise.   -- Stiggs