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Q: 'So you are a Christian, here are some crosses for you'. From CCP?

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-08-11/hong-kong-activist-says-chinese-tortured-him-for-messi-photo

 

"Do you know Liu Xia?" they said. "Why are you causing trouble?"

 

He said they hit him in the stomach repeatedly and said, "You're a Christian, aren't you? So here's a cross for you." Then they used a stapler on his thighs to make Xs.

 

(edit:  update news, 21 'cross'  counted)

 

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The CCP has conspired with the triad gangs in Hong Kong to do their dirty work for them. This has been going on for a long time and will continue.

earthizen:

True, they like darkness. 

 

According to the Joint (between Britain and PRC) Declaration, which is registered in the UN, which also serves as a mini constitution for HK after the handing over of HK to PRC, for a period of 50 years after the handover (starting July 1, 1997) PRC can ONLY decide on things related to foreign  diplomacy and national defence when it comes to HK's administration, torture like this is illegal.  This is another reason CCP always uses  triad societies to do their dirty work in HK.

 

This time it is different, the torturers spoke putonghua, which is not spoken by local HKers, including the gangsters who also speak Cantonese, the dialect of southern china.

 

They on purpose let him hears it.  This is a direct,  open message to the world (of course they know this would go international; they let him live)  --- we use physical torture with defenders of democracy, so what?

 

They didn't dare do this with Liu, Xiabo, the passed away Nobel peace prize laureate.

 

This is actually a declaration of war, not verbal bickering. They are setting an example out him too, white terrorism, extortion.

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The CCP has conspired with the triad gangs in Hong Kong to do their dirty work for them. This has been going on for a long time and will continue.

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True, they like darkness. 

 

According to the Joint (between Britain and PRC) Declaration, which is registered in the UN, which also serves as a mini constitution for HK after the handing over of HK to PRC, for a period of 50 years after the handover (starting July 1, 1997) PRC can ONLY decide on things related to foreign  diplomacy and national defence when it comes to HK's administration, torture like this is illegal.  This is another reason CCP always uses  triad societies to do their dirty work in HK.

 

This time it is different, the torturers spoke putonghua, which is not spoken by local HKers, including the gangsters who also speak Cantonese, the dialect of southern china.

 

They on purpose let him hears it.  This is a direct,  open message to the world (of course they know this would go international; they let him live)  --- we use physical torture with defenders of democracy, so what?

 

They didn't dare do this with Liu, Xiabo, the passed away Nobel peace prize laureate.

 

This is actually a declaration of war, not verbal bickering. They are setting an example out him too, white terrorism, extortion.

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It's funny how they think things through. A lot of them are secret Christians and Qigong members. They obviously struggle to read the Bible or discern whether their religious advisors are genuinely competent or not because if this weren't the case they would know that the love of money is the root of all evil and that one should not be a hypocrite. The cruellest thing of all for these idiots is that they have to spend their corporeal existence hiding the wealth they can't help using corruption and cruelty based methods to pathologically accumulate, but which they'll never be able to enjoy due to having to live in a dirty third world basket case while maintaining a pretense of being some kind of selfless public servant. The poor and oppressed always consoled themselves with the belief that in the afterlife those who oppressed them would suffer and they would ascend into the kingdom of heaven.

 

Let's assume the Christian religion is true. What the CCP do is set themselves up for eternal condemnation through greed, hypocrisy, cruelty and avarice which they can't enjoy on this mortal coil, in return for eternity in hell.

 

What would Pascal think of their attitude towards his wager?

 

Is this rationality with Chinese characteristics or are the people of China so brainwashed that they'll let a pack of braindead incompetent peasants who can't even figure out a corruption trade off hypothetical abstraction send their country into hell?

 

Do Chinese catholics get to skip purgatory in lieu of having lived in mainland China?

earthizen:

Ho, ho, ho, I haven't come across Pascal wager for god knows how long, haha. Excellent question. We can also have some fun with the Council of Nicaea. Actually, even according to Buddhism, same thing, reincarnation punishment (or reward).

 

Oh yeah, if they dare go peek into the spiritual, or more abstract, higher level of awareness of consciousness, which some call, if I remember correctly, the theta level of your brainwaves, it would scare the living daylight out of these low lives.

 

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yes, I tell all my friends after living in China, passing away and going to hell will be a promotion.

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If I downvote, I always say so.

 

I downvoted the OP.

 

No mention of religion in the article at all.  If you actually click the link, it is nothing to do with anti Christian.

 

This is typical fake news. Post a link.., suggest what it is about, and hope that the recipient is too lazy to click the link and actually read it.

 

I usually go a step more when I see a link... what think tank.. who donated... ahh.

 

 

 

 

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http://He said they hit him in the stomach repeatedly and said, "You're a Christian, aren't you? So here's a cross for you." Then they used a stapler on his thighs to make Xs.

He said they hit him in the stomach repeatedly and said, "you're a Christian, aren't you?

So here's a cross for you." Then they used a stapler on his thighs to make Xs.

 

They made fun of him being a Christian just LIKE all the other educated, socialist, communists, pieces of shit that walk the earth. I DID READ THE GD MTH FU*K**G ARTICLE.

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Didn't you read the excerpt in the OP? 

 

You know that the Cross is the symbol for Christianity, right?

 

Why did the torturers staple crosses on the guys thighs? They clearly stated their reason, loud and clear (re-read OP's excerpt)

 

The reason for the torture, though, is because he is a defender of democracy.  

 

The specific method, stapling crosses on his thighs with staplers, is a direct result of his religious belief, christianity.

 

I hope this is clear enough for you.

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Europeans kicked the Jews and their religion off the continent and slowly they have been kicking the Christians and churches off the continent, I can't wait to see them try and kick the Muslims off the continent.

 

This is going to better than watching fake Wrestling on the WWE.

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Its a bit like the fox news war on Christmas. Breitbart says some libtard professor says Christmas is banned because some Muslim says he/ she is offended. Breitbart reports, Fox re-reports. War on Christmas.

 

There is no original source in the end. It is news reporting on news.

 

There is nobody banning Christmas, Honest to God... nobody is trying to ban Christmas.

 

But the wingnuts say the left are trying to ban Christmas.

 

For fucks sake... take a step back from our ultra stupidity.

 

It is the right wing news that says the left wing wants to ban Christmas.

 

Think about that.

 

The right wing news says the left wing wants to ban Christmas.

 

Has the left wingers said that?

 

The left says,,, of course not.

 

The right wing news says.... they do.. They are Anti God.. They want to ban White Santa.

 

Fear them. Fear them. The left wing are commies. They want to socialise your healthcare. They want you to pay tax to create a social fund. They want to take your money, and make your wife available to all.

 

I am a commie. A Christian commie. And I struggle with my Christian faith at times because of the injustice I see. I cant reconcile what I see in the news compared to what I feel.

 

But I am lucky, in that I recognise that my faith is because of accident of birth. I happened to be born in a certain country.

 

If we can accept the concept of accident of birth, we can move on.

 

My religious guide is a Muslim. I am a Christian. We have a common ground. He fights to persuade me not to be an athiest, and we debate. I say he should be an athiest, he says no... we wechat to the early hours. I have no interest in Islam. And my mate is not trying to convert me, he just wants us to share the same God.

 

His battle is to keep me believing.

 

The evidence I present to him... how can I believe when these evil people want me to hate?

 

And more to the point. First world religious conversation is fine, but how do we convert that to a society where kids are not dying in hospital because nobody paid the oxygen bill.

 

While we debate... kids are dying. Shame on us.

 

 

earthizen:

As I have pointed out in my previous reply to you, re-read the article. You have heard of Liu Xiabo's death, haven't you? You also have heard of his widow being barred from leaving china, right?

 

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A quick note about religion in China.

 

I agree with the ban.

 

People should work for now, for the common good. Not for their own spot in heaven. There is no heaven, you cant take it with you, you legacy is what you done.

earthizen:

Your so-called common good idealism is a central tenet of the bible. Karl Marx's concept of communism is derived from christianity's brother and sister, you are all god's (yahweh) children, theme.  Even the word communism has the color of christianity, communion, community. Check out who Karl Marx's grandfather was.

 

Karx Marx stripped the bible of its spiritual aspect, thinking 'his' ideology is better, accusing religions as the opiate for the weak.

 

Look at his products, look at North Korea and PRC, do you see justice, honesty, respect, civilised behaviors in these so-called society, en masse speaking?  As far as I am concerned, you have to be a liar if you answer yes.

 

One can argue using all the evil atrocities inflicted upon victims of non-believers, committed by the fanatics, the fundamentalists within various religions, Christianity has them, Islam has them, even Buddism has them. 

 

But if you deny their positive contributions to reduce mankind's built-in violent tendency which is way beyond all other species on this planet, then you are not seeing the bigger picture clearly. 

 

Whatever atrocities christians of the past committed, the Knight Templars, Spanish Inquisitors, Crusades......is mickey mouse relative to Communist PRC's Cultural Revolution. The Knight Templars, take for example, never tried to wipe out the intellectual class, landlords, entrepreneurs of an entire country.

 

PRC is at the bottom of the morality scale, it cannot be worst if you put back whatever 'brandname' religions into this spiritualess shithole.

 

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So a liberal is for forcing people to believe the same thing?

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My big debate with my Muslin friends is about the entitlemet.

 

I say, as a Christian, I am not entitled to be taken at the rapture. They say I am, if I accept Islam.

 

Fair enough, I argue back saying that a true Christian can never enter the Kingdom of heaven. Because we always need to forgive

 

He says I will get to heaven... I say I wont.... then an Indian guy popped up and said that we will go to  heaven. His God has lots of arms. WTF Thats a new ingredient..We just have to agree lots of arms are good.

 

But no problem. Fox says Jesus and Santa are white. Yup.

 

I can dismiss all, because of accident of birth.

 

 

ambivalentmace:

Descriptions of heaven, a perfect body, singing praises to God all day, no thanks, if I have to spend eternity somewhere, I'll take hell any day, crying in a lake of fire from pain or torture, well i've been tortured before, no biggie, but being bored with same old thing everyday, no thanks, you can keep heaven. I have never read a rosy good optimistic view of heaven when you think about it for a while. I don't understand the writing of heaven and hell, ok you can be bored forever or be in pain forever, pick one, really, that's it, that's your sales pitch, sounds like a store with one brand, take it or leave it.

 

I'll just leave. how about a 3rd option, none of the above.

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@ambivalentmace I am neither a christian nor a member of any organised religion, my exposure to these religions is based on attending their talks, sermons, and the likes.

 

The fire and brimstone approach, using fear to inhibit criminal thoughts and actions, when combined with love and kindness treatment,  in modern day terminology is exactly the good cop bad cop approach. Law enforcement personnel worldwide use this combo approach to  interrogate and elicit info from suspects. It is an effective approach (you show know) and I daresay this technique has been used  for milleniums.

 

Communists also use this in brainwashing their caught prisoners of war. Kick them out into a freezing outdoor spot until they get a high fever, approaching a near death physical state, then bring them into a nicely decorated, warm room, with a gorgeous nurse who would comfort and feed him/her medication, while preaching how wonderful communism is to the victim.

 

The human brain goes from one extreme to the other, crossing states under delusional and hallucinational thoughts caused by high fever or pneumonia.

 

Some call this realm a polarity realm, Taiwanese, HKers, Singaporean chinese....has this slightly vulgar but spot on description for it, a teaspoon of sugar with a teaspoon of shit. 

 

Bach to that fire lake, it is dead simple to see through the tactic. After you die you don't have a physical body, how can you feel physical pain, ie as a soul (assuming you are a soul of course)?

 

At best, it is a metaphor for emotional and mental torture. You mention boredom, that is an example of this kind of torture. 

 

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earthizen, your exactly right about the good and bad, I just think with all the religions in the world from India supposedly 5000 years ago to the present, that somebody would have given a description of heaven that a logical person might believe and might actually look forward to the trip, but there is nothing I have found and I had a minor in college in Far Eastern Religions. I still study religions probably out of guilt i suppose, though after all the suffering I have seen, I just can't believe in any of them and i still have no answers, maybe that is the way it will always be to the end.

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None of these paradise  stuffs makes sense because they simply aren't true, or at best they are only metaphorically true.

 

The more logical you are the more frustrated you become when you hear these illogical BS, which is why most if not all of their sales people have this trump card ready for spiritually advanced ones like you --- take the leap of faith, ie blind acceptance.

 

It also is dead simple to  break this BS apart, just ask them, "so many other religions keep telling me to 'simply trust them', how do I know which one gets the right leap?" 

 

This is the point they usually flare up, they know you are making comparisons (meaning you are a smart consumer) and they cannot BS you with something they don't have a clue, the more civilised ones will show you the doorway, the longer you stay the greater the chance you drive away most if not all of their existing customers, which they enjoy (power issues) leading. 

 

Heck, what are they going to eat, how to break the bad news to their boss (no, not the one you cannot see with you physical eyes)? Oh yeah, Buddhist monks, Christian pastors.....all do that. 

 

The experienced ones all know they are selling at best some flimsy half-truths through pseudo logic, their target customers is NOT your kind, they are the dama, wumao, old (and equally uneducated ones) folks, worldwide mind you, who don't want to sit alone at home, this is the so-called community selling point. 

 

Be it temples or churches or synagogues, there are tons of these BELIEVers.  

 

They don't go to these places looking for truths, they go there seeking companionships, treating it as a form of social gathering, while some receive a ready made 'solution', a pill to ease their fear of death, which in reality is the fear of the unknown, and fear of annilation. That's fine for them, if they are happy with this, I for one leave them and their so-called sheppard, masters.......whatever alone.  

 

To be fair, most of these organizations do a lot of good deeds, charity deeds, going around helping others. Except for the fanatical fundamentalists among them, most aren't evil. 

 

However, if you push them to see how ridiculous and illogical their whatever religion's core tenets are, they will get mad, just like those zombie wumao who become insane when you nail them to the wall with rational reasoning which is their weakest link.

 

Another reason you can't swallow some of those BS can be because DEEP inside, you have a certain knowingness that those are BS, and you also KNOW the truth, except the clarity is insufficient, to your conscious mind at least.

 

This level is NO small feat, not that many can attain this level of spiritual awareness. Give yourself a really good pat on the back if that indeed is the case.

 

I have something that will, I bet, you find much, much more easy to swallow because it is logical AND you get to EXPERIENCE FIRST HAND, ie no BS from some of those used car salespeople who sell defective cars plus, still argue with you like mad when you see and point out that glaring not working headlight, arguing it works perfectly, saying you are not seeing it right, your eyes have problems......pathetic souls who have sunk so low...... messed up, some by money, some by fear, some by loneliness......a real mess, in short.  More later.

 

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How the fk did the kidnapping and torture of HK democracy and human rights activist turn into some argument about religion???

 

The guys religion was pretty much irrelevant (though he should be glad he's not Jewish!) They were going to staple him somehow.. they chose a cross (cos it's quick, easy, and represents his religion... end of story!)

 

The BIGGER issue is, as said above, that the HK triads may be doing Beijing's dirty work... tossers!

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Bavaria’s current President, Markus Söder, has followed a similarly conservative line once saying “one thing is clear for the CSU: Crucifixes belong in classrooms, headscarves don’t”.

 

 

Thank you President Soder. 

Looks to me that they were already there (mental state), just it has been re-invigorated as a defensive response to the Islamic invasion they just lived through. 

Good for them.

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