The place to ask China-related questions!
Beijing Shanghai Guangzhou Shenzhen Chengdu Xi'an Hangzhou Qingdao Dalian Suzhou Nanjing More Cities>>

Categories

Close
Welcome to eChinacities Answers! Please or register if you wish to join conversations or ask questions relating to life in China. For help, click here.

By continuing you agree to eChinacities's Privacy Policy .

Sign up with Google Sign up with Facebook
Sign up with Email Already have an account? .
3
3
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
6

Q: What makes mainland China/ Chinese so special?

I, as an American, can critic the UK, Germany etc and it's not racist, no mention of tolerance, if people disagree about the criticism we have an intelligent discussion each side presenting facts that actually are relevant to the actual criticism. Anyone can critic America and its the same.

Criticize anything about China and immediately you're intolerant, you're racist even when you talk about things that Chinese themselves say is wrong and against Chinese values.

What's the difference? Is criticizing the actions and behaviors that I witness and, often times, am the victim of wrong? 

Is it wrong for teachers to take bribes from students and parents? Should I start taking bribes because I'm in China? (When in Rome as Curiousguy stated)

Twice, I've asked hypotheticals to test the tolerance idea and the when in Rome idea, no answer. Why can't these people actually apply their ideas to reality?

You can put forth any hypothetical question and I can answer it.

 

Also why is it any other leader can make a gaff and it not be banned

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/96ce8d1f-bbbb-3c08-b6e5-55127dfa86ac/ss_chi...

 

Why are all other news stories ignored but a story about 2 adults who decided to marry but because one is of a different race the court ordered their marriage voided because the parent of one could not accept the race of the spouse. If white parents and a court did this to a black guy or Chinese guy, this would have been reported as racism (rightfully so). 

 

What makes China so different?

 

 

 

4 years 2 weeks ago in  Housing - China

 
Highest Voted
6
7
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
1

First of all, I recommend that you get a proper handle on the meaning of tolerance.  I gather that you are an intolerant person, but you should at least know the meaning of the word.  So here is a lesson about tolerance:  Tolerance is not.....

 

1.  ...Letting someone walk over you.  If a person is jeopardizing your safety or improperly impeding your progress, tolerance does not prevent you from taking steps to rectify the situation in a peaceful and respectful way.

2.  ... Agreeing and complying with everything. We can be tolerant and at the same time have our own feelings and actions on the matter.

3. ...Keeping quiet about things that concern us.   Tolerance does not prevent us from voicing our concerns or disagreements with an issue, as long as it is done peacefully and respectfully.

Tolerance is a faculty everyone uses in order to get along with others.  Nobody is perfect and we all have habits that irritate others.  The more we display tolerance for each other, the better and smoother relations we will have.  This applies more so as the differences get wider (greater).  A foreigner in China needs to display even more tolerance than they would in their home country.  This is a very basic matter of human interaction.

You have a habit of not reading comments carefully, therefore not comprehending the issues properly.  I advise you read the aforementioned carefully.  

 

Now how can we apply the principle of tolerance in the real world?  In China, it's not easy, but to use the example you provided, of my family dining in a restaurant? I would handle both cases (American and Chinese) exactly the same.  If I didn't want my picture taken, I would politely, but firmly ask the person not to disturb my family by taking pictures of us.  My politeness shows my toleration of their behavior but my firmness would indicate my disagreement with what they are doing.  But every person should be allowed their human dignity.  Tolerance is a way of allowing people their dignity without agreeing with or condoning their bad behavior.

 

There is a sentiment in this world that good manners are somehow considered weak and unmanly.  retiredinchina,  Englishted, and others have expressed that showing proper respect, tact and good decorum are the practices of losers ("nice guys finish last"), and that real men are the assholes.  Wow, this world has turned upside down.  It is not only the Chinese who are backwards.  They are just leading the race.  Many of us in the West are following quickly behind.

 

 

 

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
Answers (11)
Comments (54)
1
2
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
3

http://www.echinacities.com/china-media/University-Student-and-English-T...

link to CCP's ECC story. Notice how they make unsupported claims against the foreigner.

 

Also let me post my questions again

For the when in Rome idea

Englteachted:

 

So should we lie and cheat?

Should we ignore rules and laws?

Should we shit on the street?

Should we harass females at work, buses and our students?

Should we stare at Chinese and point and laugh and take photos?

Should foreign teachers be lazy, and don't plan classes carefully?

 

awaiting your answers!

 

For the tolerance preachers

Let me pose these 2 hypothetical situations. 

You are sitting in a restaurant in China with your family. I couple of chinese guys sit right across from you and start taking photos of you, your wife, and your kids.

 

You are sitting in a restaurant in China with your family. I couple of american guys sit right across from you and start taking photos of you, your wife, and your kids.

 

What would you do in each situation?

 

 

 

 

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
0
3
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
3

good question Im just not sure on how to answer a question like this.

 

I have tried the when in Rome,but it does not work,feels like i get into more shit.

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
6
7
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
1

First of all, I recommend that you get a proper handle on the meaning of tolerance.  I gather that you are an intolerant person, but you should at least know the meaning of the word.  So here is a lesson about tolerance:  Tolerance is not.....

 

1.  ...Letting someone walk over you.  If a person is jeopardizing your safety or improperly impeding your progress, tolerance does not prevent you from taking steps to rectify the situation in a peaceful and respectful way.

2.  ... Agreeing and complying with everything. We can be tolerant and at the same time have our own feelings and actions on the matter.

3. ...Keeping quiet about things that concern us.   Tolerance does not prevent us from voicing our concerns or disagreements with an issue, as long as it is done peacefully and respectfully.

Tolerance is a faculty everyone uses in order to get along with others.  Nobody is perfect and we all have habits that irritate others.  The more we display tolerance for each other, the better and smoother relations we will have.  This applies more so as the differences get wider (greater).  A foreigner in China needs to display even more tolerance than they would in their home country.  This is a very basic matter of human interaction.

You have a habit of not reading comments carefully, therefore not comprehending the issues properly.  I advise you read the aforementioned carefully.  

 

Now how can we apply the principle of tolerance in the real world?  In China, it's not easy, but to use the example you provided, of my family dining in a restaurant? I would handle both cases (American and Chinese) exactly the same.  If I didn't want my picture taken, I would politely, but firmly ask the person not to disturb my family by taking pictures of us.  My politeness shows my toleration of their behavior but my firmness would indicate my disagreement with what they are doing.  But every person should be allowed their human dignity.  Tolerance is a way of allowing people their dignity without agreeing with or condoning their bad behavior.

 

There is a sentiment in this world that good manners are somehow considered weak and unmanly.  retiredinchina,  Englishted, and others have expressed that showing proper respect, tact and good decorum are the practices of losers ("nice guys finish last"), and that real men are the assholes.  Wow, this world has turned upside down.  It is not only the Chinese who are backwards.  They are just leading the race.  Many of us in the West are following quickly behind.

 

 

 

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

Hey! Don't you bring CuriousGuy into this! He is a TREASURE

 

Get CURIOUS not FURIOUS!!!!!!!

 

I feel like I'm gonna explode here!!!!! sad

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
Posts: 4423

Emperor

2
3
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
1

Q:   'What makes China so different?'

A:  Brainwashing and sheer Ignorance

 

I'll give a simple example as proof- (bet this has happened to all of us)

  I bet at least a dozen times I will be discussing some event with a Chinese friend or colleague about something that happened in chinerland,,, like the time the nut-case ran the woman thru with a sword in Beijing, or some horrific bus accident, or the guy blowing mud in public in a metro carriage, or something like that that makes national and maybe even world news,,, and they will pretty much immediately chime in about how it doesn't count and china isn't like that and everything is swell and dandy,,, yadda, yadda, yadda.  Then I push them on it a little bit and they admit they hadn't heard that news, and they basically don't know any news,,, local, national, world,,,, and on top of that have no reference points to speak of having traveled basically nowhere in their lives,,, except that one trip to Shanghai and/or BJ.... haha.  They just know chiners great.  lmfao Smile  

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
Posts: 2535

Emperor

0
0
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

Xinyuren summed it up pretty well. And I do get your point about having to show anger to get things accomplished in China but this can be become extremely unhealthy, mentally. 

 

Stop focusing on forcing change and just allow it because you are dealing with 1.4 billion people. Mainland Chinese are changing... 10 years ago MANY were not allowed to travel outside of China, that has changed. Viewing other cultures will have a reflection on your own and how it can be improved. 

 

It is fine to vent and curse with things that bother you but don't let that toxic mindset overcome your experience in China. One of most annoying and pointless things in China is the foreigner that constantly rambles on about how horrible it is... to everyone... all the time. What's the end game? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
6
6
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

China is a land of extremely poor, ignorant, and selfish people. But it is not a country full of maliciousness (at least not any more than most other countries). For the most part, they are not trying to hurt us. When they say or do insulting or rude things, most often they are not trying to offend us. Its more like they are so single-minded in their selfish pursuits that they are oblivious to how it may affect others. More apathetic and clueless than malicious. So if you approach an encounter with this reality in mind, you can easily see that a kind but firm attitude will get the best results. If we confront others as if they are trying to harm us, often there will be harmful results. This principle is useful in all situations dealing with people.

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
2
1
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
3

We're still missing the point. If Australians ran around harassing Chinese people because they (Aus) were selfish and ignorant then no one would criticize Chinese for reacting angrily and complaining. No one would attack the Chinese saying they're not tolerant. 

 

What makes China so special?

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
1
1
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
0

Excuse me, but I want to open a new comment for this because, 1.  I don't want it to buried inside your comment which has been thumbed down to disappearing and 2. I think this is a very important and interesting point that everyone should consider when dealing with the topic of China.

 

Your last reply, though thought provoking, is deeply mired in your own tunnel vision.  It is no wonder you can't appreciate foreign cultures like China's.  Your black and white worldview prevents you from seeing the unique circumstances that make China what it is.  You question may have been clear cut, but the answer is far from it.

 

Have you ever asked yourself,  How can a country that appears so modern on the surface, have a society that is so..... primitive (for lack of a better word)?  This isn't a knock on China, if you think deeply about this.  China has modern advanced technology,  one of the world's leading economies that has grown by multitudes in the last two decades.  They have grown in influence and status, in fact is considered one of the world's most influential nations.  Yet it's people are so backwards it makes you wonder how they managed to do this.  China used to be one of the greatest countries in the world, a vigorous place, the stuff of legends.  But modern China is a facade of gold covering an undeveloped wasteland.  How did it come to this?  What happened to these people that brought them to this point?  These questions probably never occurred to you.  It takes an interest in foreign cultures and peoples to delve into mysteries like this.

 

The Cultural Revolution began in 1966.  Many of us on this forum was alive during that time.  That means millions of Chinese parents and grandparents lived through one of the saddest and dehumanizing events in history.  Don't you think that had an impact on the society that sprung from its ruins?  If you took an interest in the history of China, you could surmise an inkling of how such an event would effect the Chinese (or any people who survived such a tragedy).  Remember, I asked you before, if you were to encounter a former field slave from the 1800's, would you expect the same behavior from him as you would a typical post-colonial middle class American citizen?  In your black and white world, perhaps you would.  Maybe you would expect him to exhibit the same manners and decorum as Abraham Lincoln.  Most reasonable people wouldn't.  They would understand that a recently released slave has a different perspective and experience than the President of a civilized country. They would cut him some slack.

 

Chinese people, especially the young ones, are quickly catching up to the Western civilized standard, but lets not forget who their parents and grandparents (the ones that raised them) are.   Let's not forget the nightmares they endured in order to see a new, resurrected China.  And please don't forget the permanent scars, both physical and emotional, that they must carry until they die.  How did they get this way?  Mao's regime.  Some man's misguided attempt to rule a country.  The waves of his tyrannical rule still influence Chinese society to this day.  

 

Yes, the Chinese are grown ass adults.  They are capable of civilized behavior.  But something happened in their history to stunt their growth and they are only just now emerging from that shadow.  Giving consideration and allowing for this huge mark on their history is not the same as looking down on them or excusing them.  Chinese society sometimes buggers under my skin and gets me angry too.  I feel the same emotions you feel about its people.  But the difference with me is I don't see things in black and white.  The real world has nuance.  And I asked the important question, Why?

 

So instead of expecting foreign cultures to behave according to your standards, why not ride the wave and find out what's interesting about this one?  Or you can slink back into your hole and keep slinging sh#t at them.

 

 

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
2
2
You must be a registered user to vote!
You must be a registered user to vote!
4

Last thing, we all grew up with someone who was mentally disabled in the neighborhood. Right? We handled them with kid gloves. Whatever they did it was excused, criticism was put on others for not being understanding of their mental illness. 

CHINESE ARE NOT MENTALLY ILL!

Therefore their behavior should not be excused!

Report Abuse
4 years 2 weeks ago
 
Know the answer ?
Please or register to post answer.

Report Abuse

Security Code: * Enter the text diplayed in the box below
Image CAPTCHA
Enter the characters shown in the image.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <img> <br> <p> <u>
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Textual smileys will be replaced with graphical ones.

More information about formatting options

Forward Question

Answer of the DayMORE >>
A: Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were loo
A:Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were looking for a church wedding. Chinese weddings are pretty grim IMO - you go to a barren govt dept with souless officials and navigate red tape so some guy can give you a red stamp and a marriage book. You get expensive pictures taken of you both posing in places you'd never go to in everyday life that is somehow supposed to represent your wedding, then a while later it's off to a restaurant where a game show host kind of guy makes sure it's as tacky as possible while the guests eat as fast as they can so they can leave as soon as they finish eating and gave you money. Hell, I'd go to Thailand or the Philippines and get married in Paradise.   -- Stiggs