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Q: When will my assistants stop trying to correct my pronunciation?

And when will they stop insisting that I must teach kids how to write using extreme serifs? Don't know what a serif is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serif

 

They're using some pretty extreme cartoon fonts with amazingly dumb serifs, and we're supposed to teach that it's the "correct" way to write English. It's not, and the result is that kids are writing some pretty unintelligible letters based on the fun cartoon fonts (the assistants don't know what the word "fun" means anyway). I had to make corrections, and the assistants stopped me. Is there any reason for that?

 

Furthermore, having them correct my pronounciation is comical at best, and amazingly retarded at worst. They insist that the correct way to pronounce "Ambulance" is "Ahh boo lent." Pronunciation Hulk isn't really interested in what the assistants want, but some of them try their damn hardest to overrule me. Should I put them in an ahhboolent?

6 years 30 weeks ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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i have been trying to figure out how is it the foreign students can come here and study chinese for a year / year and a half and be able to hold a conversation and even read and write in chinese. but most chinese who have been studying english for 10 years can't hold a simple conversation in english and be understood. and english is a much more forgiving language when it comes to pronunciation. it is clearly due to their backwards retarded , racist attitudes. 

foreigners accept that their chinese chinese teachers understand chinese best. 

chinese believe they are superior and know "foreign language" better than foreigners. 

 

as far as how to teach them otherwise, i do not know. they are conditioned to not acknowledge or accept reality. 

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I know what you mean about the writing. I've seen that in the I's that are written. They usually put a dash on the bottom of the i when writing. 

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There are cookies, bookies and too many rookies for me to sit here trying to be a hooky! Looky Looky don't call me a wooky. Touchy Touchy Feely Feely Spicy Spicy Nicey Nicey & that's what the doctor Ordered!!

 
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You are not the first on here, who complain about the same thing. Chinese are correcting English native speaker talking. Just nothing else than a "face" problem. 

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Get them a printout of an English Phonemes sheet and tell them when they can read AND speak it then they can correct you. At the same time direct them to the pronunciation section of any decent dictionary (that uses the same phonemes).

 

They won't like it and they'll ignore you, but they'll stop correcting you.

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just say something quickly to them and with slang words so they they don't understand what you say. Then they will remember that their English sucks.

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I thought you'd be bit more like me Hulk. Just laugh, shake your head, walk away.

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You are large, green and grunt a lot. Suck it up.

 

Or... Write down the words the assistants mispronounce, then later (same day) in the staff room, take them to dictionary.reference.com to hear the correct pronunciation - . eg:

 

dictionary.reference.com/browse/ambulance?s=t

 

Comparing lip and tongue movements when pronouncing different sounds is also quite helpful, but can lead  to some interesting out of work encounters.

 

Not that I would ever do that...  ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. Shift+A improves the quality of all images on this page.

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i have been trying to figure out how is it the foreign students can come here and study chinese for a year / year and a half and be able to hold a conversation and even read and write in chinese. but most chinese who have been studying english for 10 years can't hold a simple conversation in english and be understood. and english is a much more forgiving language when it comes to pronunciation. it is clearly due to their backwards retarded , racist attitudes. 

foreigners accept that their chinese chinese teachers understand chinese best. 

chinese believe they are superior and know "foreign language" better than foreigners. 

 

as far as how to teach them otherwise, i do not know. they are conditioned to not acknowledge or accept reality. 

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Hahahahahahahahaha That's ridiculously hilarious. LOL. I know what that is like and now that you as a native American you're through no wonder that it happened to me as a non-native. Hulk "put them in an ahhboolent" but tell us how you will do it maybe we can give you some ideas. Hahahahaha. Seriously now, this is the factual symptom that arrogance and stupidity is the rule of many people's life in this Country. But how would a Native feel like when he is taught by a native rude Chinese how to speak his own mother tongue? BTW: ask your a.t. to pronounce "stupid" any time she corrects your speaking ever again. 

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I don't know about the font names. When I was in middle school our English teacher told us that handwriting habit in the west has changed those years because people use emails most time. So people barely write on paper and when they have to write their handwriting becomes the Serif. 

 

It might also have something to do with how the exam papers are marked.

If your students have to take the College Entrance Exam (known as 高考gao kao in Chinese) for 12th grade graduates. their exam papers will be collected from every school to the provincial center and be scanned to computer and marked on screen. Hence if the handwriting is hard to recognize you can imagine it's a big point minus.  

 

If they will take the high school entrance exam (Known as 中考zhong kao in Chinese) their exam papers will be collected to the city center and marked there. Not sure if the scan system will be used, however if some students there have a different font (e.g. if your students all write in Italic while students from other schools write Serif )then your students will be easily recognized . It sometimes will give the students a minus point too intentionally because the competition for a good high school is intense.

 

The year when I took high school entrance exam, I heard students in another school were hinted that if they wrote the first character in the Chinese essay a little bit bigger, they would be recognized and given an extra point. Too bad this secret leaked and all the students who did that way got an opposite result.-----their Chinese essays were particularly marked under stricter standards with lower scores. 

 

 

It sounds a bit ridiculous that they pronounce ambulance word in that way. However I disagree with what crimochina said that "Chinese believe they're superior". No it's not like that. As you said they never had a good access to decent English speakers or even any good access to English education. Chinese believe there is an "ultimate" truth, ultimate standard. And we are also taught the famous quote from Aristotle "Plato is my dear, still dearer is the truth. " In Chinese translation it's 我爱我师,我更爱真理。

 

If I were one of them, I would question: why you, Hulk , the only foreigner I have met in my life, pronounce differently from what i was taught? What if this Hulk guy is wrong? What if his accent is not widely spoken in the US?  (one of the countermeasures to those question is : George W Bush has a very heavy Texas accent but he was still elected to be the US President! )

 

It seems that the assistants you're dealing with know too little about the English language and the English speaking countries. 

 

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I had that problem last summer when I taught in a training school.  My "helper" kept on undermining me. Finally, I put up a series of words in the blackboard and asked her, in front of the class, to read them out loud.  Even whenever she would pronounce it right, I would correct her.  If she tried to defend her pronunciation, I would just say it was "chinglish".  After that, she got mad and left. Never pestered me again.

I think this is the only time I have ever deliberately done something to make someone lose face. But, I dont regret it for one second.

 

However, if I ever encounter this problem again, I think I will follow Hugh's and Junglelifes advice instead. Gets the message across AND does not involve quite as much face-loss.

 

By Junglelifes advice, I mean the "harmonized version...

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I usually read the long version and all the answers and comments here before I comment. I haven't done so this time (time's short), so I apologise if I'm repeating someone's answer.

 

Unfortunately, the only thing to be done here is to make your assistant lose face over her own pronunciation issues. The next time it happens, correct her. Publicly. Loudly.  And very bluntly. Don't spare her feeling or try in any way to sugar coat it.

 

I would not normally advise purposely setting out to make a Chinese lose face, in fact I would never normally do so, but experience tells me that does seem to be the only way to persuade people that you are actually capable of pronouncing your own language correctly.

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i had an interview a while back and they asked me to demonstrate my hand writing, and i was thinking wtf, my job is to teach oral English ONLY i shouldnt even bother with grammar or teaching them how to write, i can write  several different ways,  in school i we had to use calligraphy for everything but i preffer to write the way im most comfortable in

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No don't put them in an "A-bu-lan-cia". That would get them some help. Most of them are far beyond help. When you are a native Chinese speaking Chinglish and can't say "usually', or "slang"; or "his" without it sounding like a snake, and you are attempting to correct native English teachers, or even English teachers who are "doing it right" not only are you beyond help, but you are responsible for your country needing to import tens of thousands of English teachers so that your country's corporations can hire Chinese people who can communicate with other English speaking business people throughout the world. Oh yes, and, by the way, congratulate the idiots for adding the "R" to idea! What other country in the world boasts millions of people who have studied English for 16 or more years and still can't speak it as well as a 6 yr old while correcting the people who do speak properly? Oh, I guess I forgot ,they have been doing it for 9,000 years so.....

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Interesting. Being corrected by some know it all. Face is the name of the game. I agree with Traveler's suggestions. But it also brings up a point of the correct pronunciations of the following. Many Americans pronounce Himalayas- Himaarlyas. Galapagos- Gallapagos, Caribean- Carribean? It is difficult to state the exact pronunciations. I being an Englishman that went to a proper school ( Robert Morley), pronounce these three, different than my fellow Americans. Franck3

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