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Q: Are the Chinese capable of Critical and Creative Thinking?

I have long sought to understand why China in general does not promote creative thinking or critical thinking in it's school systems. SO much emphasis is on fact-based memorization and standardized testing that even if students do try to bring some kind of creative emotion to the classroom , they are stamped out by domineering teachers, demanding parents, and eventually even controlling bosses. Is there any chance at all that the Chinese economy will eventually promote free-thinking and creativity and innovation?

 

Don't get me wrong I have met creative individuals but all of these people have either come from abroad or are in the private-sector doing their own things as entrepeneurs. It seems like this stifling of creativity exists all the way from the home, up to the classroom and even at the office at work. 

 

My experience working with Chinese colleagues has resulted almost upmost frustration at times because they refuse to step out of the box and think of another alternative, possibly even better way of doing things that would absolutely promote better productivity and innovation. I would really like to see more out-of-the-box thinking and more innovative strategies adopted in the near future as this is typically a normal way of business back in the USA and Europe.

 

 

 Moreover, Chinese enterprises are basically copies of Western corporations with a hierarchy that is based on following the boss's orders and not daring to speak out against the upper authority or bringing in a new creative strategy that could benefit the company overall.

 

The current economic model is mainly based on imitations of new western products and reverse-engineering to the point of making an almost identical knock-off copy of the original. In my opinion, if China wishes to continue with its unparlalled economic growth, it will SERIOUSLY need to start promoting more creative-based thinking and innovation in all of its institutions.

 

Am I wrong or is this the way it is? I would really like to see more creativity and innovation here in China but it seems like that is a far-fetched dream. I may eventually decide to go back to the USA where creativity and innovation are not only promoted but also REWARDED. Any thoughts?

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Shifu

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Because having people think rationally and with some notion of distance would mean the suicide of the system. This is so much easier to have control over a submissive mass that finds submersion in the mere fact of questing anything, and relying on whatever you can steal from the outside, than to actually build something of yourself. That's a super convenient way of governing, but in the competitive global market they gladly got involved in, this is as far as it goes: cheap garbage incomes make good money, until it doesn't.

 

The government knows its firms cruelly lack innovation and innovative talents. They probably also know it's entirely the fault of the mass brainwashing system they promote in the first place (or maybe they delude themselves into blaming something else, I wouldn't be surprised). But unfortunately, there is no magic innovation-enabling trigger in the human mind, nor is there one that you can only restrict to your industrial needs. Innovation is part of the freedom package, so you won't see it coming anytime soon. Right now, they're trying to promote innovation with slogans and money, which sums up the scope of their understanding of the problem. Next they might open innovation classes, where students will have to memorize books and write essays to the glory of innovation.

 

Trapped in the hole they dug themselves.

coineineagh:

"Next they might open innovation classes, where students will have to memorize books and write essays to the glory of innovation." ROFL

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louischuahm:

I beg to differ. Take a look at Eastern Europe. When the the Berlin Wall came down, I am sure the scenario was similar to China now. With nations locked away for decades and indoctrinated with ideologies such as communal and collective policies, it's it no wonder creativity and innovation were non existent. People who thought differently were hauled away as traitors who possessed capitalistic ideas. How then can people be creative? Then take a look at North Korea. When they do finally open up, the same issues we experienced in China today will be present. There is a lot to catch up with. Can you imagine after so many years, all of a sudden you are able to pick up a cell phone and call someone on the other side of Earth? At the moment, there are people in smaller cities who have never seen a white or black foreigner before. So, for a nation like China, I think they need time to catch up with the technology and move on from there. We cannot expect them to think like us because we went through that experience and learning curves while they were still locked out.

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@louis In the case of Eastern Europe in the 80's, there is a major difference : the notion of civil society existed, because Eastern European experienced it before the post-WWII communist rule. So in general, people in East Europe were more keen to question thing, being grumpy, and *act*. Prague Spring, for instance. When things like Prague Spring failed, people moved on something else. In the 80's Eastern Europeans (I think of Poland, Tczhec Republic, East-Germany)  had active civil right groups on topics such as ecology or rule-of-the-law. They were careful to operate within the bounds of the law, demanding the state to apply its own laws. China does not have this on the same scale by far, and the latest significant attempt at this have been sent to jail last month. People in China are much less willing to think in term of civil society, and this I think affect a lot the education in general.

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RiriRiri:

You are making a mistake a lot of people make, which is to think economic opening/exchanges mean automatically cultural opening/exchanges.

Normally I'd say yes, only China's leaders have been doing everything they could to have the first without the second, and I must say that was a shiny success.

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Samsara:

Outstanding response, RiriRiri.

 

"Next they might open innovation classes, where students will have to memorize books and write essays to the glory of innovation."

 

I agree with coineineagh on this one. A quote for the ages.

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For a nation that has locked out the world for 30 over years, I'd say they have progressed a lot. Many of us feel that they are copy cats which is true until you look at South Korea, Taiwan and perhaps Japan. These economies developed through time and developed their own competencies. South Korea copied so many things from Japan from household equipment to cars. When Korea first produced cars (some of you may recall the brand Pony), everyone laughed at them. It was cantankerous, rusted easily and would probably fall apart after a few years of use. But look at them today. Can we say no innovation was put into the automobile industry there? Take another look at the cell phone industry, namely Samsung as a brand. What I am trying to say is that given only 30 odd years, China has caught up in certain areas but still has huge gaps particularly in education, social welfare etc. People of working age (25 to 55 years old) now in China would mostly comprise of those born in the early 60s to early 90s.. While we can see that those born after the mid 80s have different mind sets, it will take at least another generation to really see significant changes. Another point is that the government is still filled with old guards, so the tendency to cling to old methods may still persist. In my opinion, given time, China will have their share of innovative and creative people. It is quite impossible to even think that a nation with 1.4 billion people do not possess innovative skills. Nevertheless, we, who come from a far more developed world cannot use what we know and push them to be on par. What we can do is to help with the knowledge transfer a little at a time. 

Scandinavian:

You might want to look up if a German is employed by Hyundai and KIA for things like design and engineering. You point is valid though. 

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"What we can do is to help with the knowledge transfer a little at a time. ".

 

Excellent. Then you're just left the chair and the rope.

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I was asked to explain critical thinking to a Chinese colleague the other day. How would you explain it to get the meaning across?

coineineagh:

Just tell him to look up 审辩式思维. It translates into Trial Adversarial Thinking, so I imagine it will be perceived by Chinese as a form of non-constructive arguing. My advice: Don't try. The Chinese language itself, along with all the expressions I've ever heard, do not welcome foreign philosophies. They must learn to think critically themselves, and to save face, the new philosophy must obviously be given a Chinese name that is different from 审辩式思维. Something with a more positive spin, of course. Not one of those destructive western philosophies!

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When teaching science at a uni., I got some of my students (those who had both interest in studies and the will to work a bit) to think by themselves, solve new problems and stop reading the book. After the semester, some sent me emails to thank me about the teaching style and the whole experience I gave them (young guys, you repaid me for all the effort, thanks forever). So yup, they are human being, and as such can be creative and critical. However, Chinese society and educative system does not promote those traits, it represses them.

And guess what, *ALL* Chinese with a tiny bit of education I met says that, understand that, told me that, without any suggestion from me. However, the same Chinese people feels completely powerless, helpless about this situation (ie. repressing creativity & critical thinking). The optimistic one might say half-heartedly that things are improving a bit. The pessimistic will just sight and move on the conversation to an other topic. Bring hope, rule of the law, and Chinese people will shine. Just look at those who were educated in HK, Singapore or Western countries Tongue

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I agree. It's definitely something that's stamped out by every aspect of society. Also, if you look into China's history you'll also see a tendency towards seeing only one path forward, and no lateral thinking at all.
Even before one-child-policy, Chinese farmers had a reputation of killing/discarding their 'useless' daughters because they saw no other alternative. Chairman Mao spent most of his efforts on staying in charge, and not without reason: Even his chosen successor couldn't take his eyes off the prize, and attempted to assassinate Mao rather than wait his turn. It's hard to implement reform of any kind when nobody cares, and everyone is just being phony to get hold of power.

In the "nature or nurture" debate, the nurture aspect is apparrent in a repressive government stamping out individuality in all its facets. I can only hope that 'unoriginality' isn't hardcoded into Mongoloid people, since I'll soon have 2 half-Chinese children myself. To be honest, I'm really starting to worry that it's in their nature to not be interested in anything other than food/money and sex/family.

Schools in China place emphasis on intelligence(=memorization only), relationship building, teamwork, dedication and leadership. And the importance of appearances is taught, when kids learn that all the aforementioned values can be faked to satisfy parents/teachers/authorities/etc. I recently had a discussion about tutoring lessons with a parent, and I tried to explain the importance of independence, creativity, improvisation, and that true learning is achieved by making inquisitive efforts, and making mistakes.
Although my point seems to have been understood, the values I mentioned are perceived as irrelevant or ephemerical. I was instructed to get rid of the parts of the lesson that were too 'difficult': No more 'tell me a story', 'listen to English and answer questions', 'write a small story about this picture'. The only component deemed worthwhile was the most useless one: 'Read from a book'. So, I'll just correct his pronunciation mistakes like a glorified dictionary, because that's how Chinesed students like to learn. I said I'll try to think of other ways to encourage his creativity, but maybe I won't bother - it just leads to more complaints. A full hour of reading from a book interspersed with me saying Well Done in Chinese is what being a good training school teacher is all about...

Scandinavian:

Don't worry. Children are born all the same, with a natural desire for exploring. Chinese parents fail massively in exploiting this to better the development of their little one(s)

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