icnif77:

There's no such an option at account settings about 'salary expectations', at least I don't have it.

I guess, this thread's Q is ... LOL.

Blondie_:

if an employer offers a salary below what you are looking for, why would you contact them to 'negotiate'?

it would be a waste of time.

GeFritz:

To find a real consensus

icnif77:

Aknot: "Send somebody in to negotiate!"

Korben: (to Fog) "You mind if I?" (Fog shakes his head, Korben walks into the room and shoots Aknot between the eyes, killing him) "Anybody else wanna negotiate?"

Fog: (stutters) Where did he learn how to negotiate like that? 

(the President and General Munro are listening to Ruby's broadcast)

Blondie_:

@GeFritz,

the salary range the employer is their 'consensus'.

the only negotiation you are likely to have is how low the Chinese employer can get away with paying you and how high the potential employee can extract, within the salary range provided.

Unless you are shit hot you are unlikely to be even considered if you are looking outside the salary range provided.

Are you a shit hot employee?
if so you would be head-hunted and would not even need to consider applying for a position that is offering less than you are looking for.

The algorithms will filter you out before you are even considered for interview,if you are looking for more than is on offer.

I suggest you be realistic about your salary expectations.

icnif77:

... and Chinese are known as the stingiest negotiators. They are much worse than Muslins. Negotiation is a hard part of Chinese culture combined with "Don't lose a face" thingy.

I'd say, they feel pain in the stomach, if they have to submit to other party's demands and give more ... on the top of @Blondie's.

... and for the same reason, they won't ever respect the signed contract, and they'll shorten the other party anywhere they can get away with it.

Even after they've inked the agreement, they must get into you somehow.

I gathered such an experiences by working only at the Public schools in China, mind you.

I'd say, privately held Training mills in China must be much worse.

i.e. TCC ... Traditional Chinese Culture   

Blondie_:

ha ha,
it is clear you have never been to China,
Unless you are shit hot in your job, Chinese employers won't ever 'negotiate' over salary, as their aim is to pay as little as they possibly can.

even if you consider yourself as having the 'art of negotiation' (whatever that is) it is a futile use of time to think you could get a salary that is higher than is on offer in China, especially from smaller Chinese employers, especially now when the potential employee pool in China is so large.

Are you shit hot in your job that you can.
"You are not in Kansas now" when it comes to salary negotiation and you can not apply your expectations to China.
but if you are happy in your delusions, what can i say?
remember, never let ego trump reality 

icnif77:

On the contrary @Blondies, I have to say, I've negotiated with Chinese employers over my pay. I didn't really want to negotiate, but ... in 2013, I finished the contract in Xinjiang with pay at 8k per month and half pay for each of the 3-months of recess on 14 classes (45') per week, no office hours, with all standard perks included, what was my best contract at the time.

As I was looking for the new employment after that, I've always stated at the interview:

"My current salary is ... and I won't accept new contract with lower pay than that!"

Then, I sent a copy of the contract in use to the new potential employer.

I did accept future contracts with few extra classes required, but not for the lower pay than Xinjiang contract was.

I exited China in June of 2017, what gave me roughly 4-years of negotiations, he he

The only 'hot' thing comes to my mind was 'I have never violated the contract!'. 

Blondie_:

@Icniff,

i would not think as a newbie you would have approached a Chinese employer this way.
You had what we call 'form' - you had worked in China and understood the mindset you were dealing with -  you also had evidence of having worked in China to support your negotiating position.

a far cry from some newbie coming in and making unsupported claims saying "i can negotiate to what i want to get paid"
i will maintain that by including a salary expectation in your 'profile' will have your application eliminated by algorithms, which will mean you you won't even  be considered in the first place should your salary 'expectations' exceed the maximum salary on offer.

But of course you can't tell this to newbies 
 

icnif77:

Yes, indeed. Sorry, I've missed the newbie part ...

My first job in China was in Huachuan, Heilongjiang with F visa, during the winter time, mind you. -32*C was the lowest temp...

No old timer would accept that ... and for 4.5k per month, on the top of all freeze.

"Never, again!" thought was running through my mind all the time there ...