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China's UN veto on Syria
by MrTibbles » Feb 10, 2012 00:56 am  in Current affairs    Replies 5   Views 2081 

This could have been asked in the questions section, but I have a feeling there will be some opinions on this and that's what I'm looking for - discussion, so the forum seemed like a much better place to discuss. Plus it needs better topics than "hammer her harder" or whatever that guy posted. Anyway, I hope it's "ok" to discuss this here, B.Cat, if not, please just fire me a message and delete the thread Laughing out loud


Ok, so if you're not familiar with the news on this check out any major news site - here's some links from various sources - it's the UN resolution to help Syria which was vetoed by China and Russia:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/04/assad-obama-resign-un-resolu...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/04/us-syria-idUSTRE80S08620120204

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/05/10322270-hillary-clinton...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/02/201224162422121856.html


and here's the reply about the veto from a Chinese ambassador in the UK:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/09/china-syria-veto-un-...


Ok, so hopefully you read some articles and/or are already familiar with this.


What do you think of the veto by China and Russia? What's going on in Syria is pretty bad right now and it's quite similar to what's been happening all over the Middle East recently - Libya is a prime example. China believes that NATO should NOT have interfered there because it brought about a regime change. Here's a quote from He Wenping, director of African Studies at the Chinese academy of social sciences:


"China opposes the use of threat or force to achieve regime change in other countries," said He Wenping. "This is consistent with China's long-standing diplomacy principle. It is also not acceptable for China to rush a [U.N.] vote without sufficient consultation."


So, discussion: Is this a move by China and Russia because they are trading partners with the current Syrian regime? Or is it defensive posturing - if this is allowed AGAIN, what would happen if a similar situation erupted in China or Russia? There's been democratic voting in Wukan due to protests recently... Is this preventative so that the UN Security Council cannot "step in" should something happen?


I personally don't think anything of that scale is going to happen in either China or Russia, but who knows on these things. It could be seen as a backup plan "just in case" or do you agree with the veto? I can understand why the US/UK voted for it, democracy in the Middle East is a benefit for them. But even the Arab league was for it. I can understand China's and Russia's position to an extent, but when you have a repressive regime and the people are asking for help from the international community, well this is what the UN is for. Not for protecting regimes from the people they rule.


Thoughts?


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Re: China's UN veto on Syria

by crimochina » Feb 10, 2012 09:38 am

to be honest i really dont care anymore. are we back under 7 billion yet? china is feeling the effects of not backing the people in lib(y)a. so in typical fashion for this govt they make a bigger mistake when it comes to s(y)ria. or maybe they are doing the western countries a favor by playing the role of the bad guys. the world govts work together behind the scenes a lot more than we realize

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Re: China's UN veto on Syria

by beaufortninja » Feb 10, 2012 10:44 am

Syria is no where near as bad as the media makes it look. It's trying to build another war fever like it did in Libya and Iraq before that. Those were all lies and so is the scale of the violence in Syria. China and Russia accepted Iraq and Afghanistan as typical colonial adventures but Libya was too close to their strategic interests.
Plus, isn't it a little suspicious that Syria is Iran's only real ally in the region? Once Syria goes down then Iran stands alone. Then iran is next on the chopping block. With them taken care of, all of the middle east's oil will be under Western control. If the iran War is going to happen then it'll be during the Russian presidential elections because they'll be too busy with internal protests to help Syria and China is notoriously slow when it comes to making decisions.
Next up is Russia and then China. Check out the Project for the New American century and the Foreign Policy initiative to have the poop scared out of you.

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Re: China's UN veto on Syria

by HappyExPat » Feb 10, 2012 14:36 pm

To me, in reality it is not just one factor, but a combination of them. First you will have to aknowledge the socio-political factor currently present within the government of both countries, where a communist cadre is swimming like the dickens to continue in Marxist policies, while allowing capitalistic ventures to develop whe they realize it is their only way to survive.

Re: China's UN veto on Syria

by HappyExPat » Feb 10, 2012 15:02 pm

Sorry, hit wrong button by mistake. I will continue now.
Then you also have socio-economic factors gto consider. Both countries are known for a great disregards to human life. China is on record, as the country were more persons are executed each year, and Russia is not far behind. Neither have a great record on human rights while preaching social equiality and the lackm of class strata, it is a wellm known fact that they do have two classes, the rich and powerful and governemnt members, and the rest of the masses. It is also wellknown that China craves for oil to continue to expand, and Russia gets hard currency to pay for their needs in food and money for corrupt officials by selling arms and any technoilogy to willing buyers. So, each peddles their respective needs in different ways, China in offering currency as an invcestment in develop infrastructure and tech advise, and Russia by offering arms and military assistance in exchange for other commodities they may seek. And of course, if there is a change of government than all of these time, effort and money will be wasted.
While for Western civilizations the news of government troops bombarding towns are totally unacceptable, for othger types of governments the killing of over 200 civilians is like one drop in a bucket of water, nothing. Their interests are above human rights concerns.
What really puzzles me is that so,me may claim that those news are the press biased, and making things look worse to satisfy other political views.
So, the veto at the UN Security Council did not surprise me, It is just more of the same, the interest of a few over the best interest of a majority, and in this case the people of Syria.

Re: China's UN veto on Syria

by Tapwater » Apr 16, 2012 02:13 am

USA always wants to use violence to solve problems.
 
We won't ever be a positive force in the world if we continue to be so warlike. We should have learned our lesson in Vietnam but people are blind to the reality of that conflict.
 
We don't want t help the people of Syria (or Lybia, or Egypt). We just want to involve ourselves in their affairs and play kingmaker among the political factions there. And the sad result is that the people in these nations suffer and become more bitter enemies of us. We would rather have pro-western or west-tolerant dictatorships or failed states than real democratic reforms.

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