icnif77:

I found out more info yesterday about offers in W. EU. Spain and Italy offer 1000 - 1100 EUR for 20 hours/week, and free apartment, some bonus (1000 EUR) after completing of 10 months contract.

Web link for ESL jobs around the World:

http://www.eslbase.com/jobs/

manasyt:

They hire non-natives?

icnif77:

I 'tested the waters', and sent CV to few Schools in Italy and Spain last week. I had interview with Italian stuffing agency over Skype yesterday, but in writing only, 'cause my Internet doesn't support webcam. They promised reply in 48 hours.

Today, I got questionnaire from School in Spain with video, which I can't see for some (China Internet) reason.

Do you know ESOL exams? I looked yesterday at it first time, but for the answer, I need to study it first.

ESOL Cambridge is 'thing' in EU English Schools.

Shining_brow:

Cambridge does a variety of exams - not least of all IELTS and Business English.

icnif77:

@Shining: answer the Q, pls. What do you know about ESOL exams? I should fill questionnaire in 10'.

MissA:

"stuffing agency" ???

icnif77:

@MissA: sorry, buTT...I had to Yahho it: 'staffing'. Do you care for position in EU? OOhhh, you're from down-under. No offers for Native (no. 3) FTs in EU.

We can work out something for T., because he's from Vanuatu, buTt….that's it, at the MOMENT! LOL.

Shining_brow:

Well Icnif... since you're trying to answer the Q's yourself, I'd say your answer to #2 would be "not much" :p

icnif77:

LOL @ shining! I 'made-up' some stuff, and I got a job. Disregard '40 application', and things.

I hit him with Q no. 7, I think, where he's asking me, about way to teach students over the Internet. I sent him my collection of web links 'how to teach in the classroom over Internet'. Same link, I posted to the tHread 'how to teach in the classroom' for poster, who'll teach Portuguese in China. I added: 'My collection can be useful to any English FT'!

'Sneaky bastard!'

What do you mean 'not much'? You could never get job in 'my' LOL School with that A. I'm an experienced ESOL 'cheater', I mean teacher: 6. Cambridge ESOL exam is an international standard to determine student's English ability. Levels range from below A1 (beginner) to C2 (highest ability). I used ESOL in China at IELTS and Business English to determine students English ability. Cambridge ESOL exam is open website, which I use accordingly to the student's needs.

LOL

icnif77:

F.4fingers: 'I'm in a hurry! I got the make the bookies.'

Dough The Head; 'Do you know something I don't?'

F.4fingers: 'Boobie, I probably know a lot you don't.'

JacobJohn:

Maybe Wikipedia would be of help for you Cambridge ESOL question, don't you think? It's what I would do if I had to answer this question and had no experience at all. Although I guess the employer in Spain is targeting at teachers experienced in this field of English teaching.

icnif77:

Yes, correct! I was looking for advice of somebody in the known of Cambridge tests system. Later, I looked at their website a bit, and answer it myself. 

I'm looking/waiting for better Internet provider, to conduct voice interview over Skype with School in Spain.

icnif77:

I just sent them questionnaire: 

2.Young students will just copy anything I say, if they like me. However, they must 'like me' first. If lesson is presented as a game, students will learn unknowingly, so younger the students, more games in classroom is necessary. 

I know, I made- up some stuff here.

sorrel:

Good luck 

icnif77:

The thingy in EU is only UK residents are equal to other Europeans, when  'working and resident' permit. All other 4 (US, Canada, Australians, NZ) Native English teachers must apply for it. So, that's my bonus =EU passport.

MissA:

sorrel, Cambridge proficiency exams are separate from IELTS, and are a separate system of English ranking for students. I think there are several exams students can sit, which are a more pass/fail setup than IELTS is.

The main two I'm aware of are the First Certificate (FCE), which is an Upper-Inter level proficiency exam, and then Cambridge Advanced (CAE), which, obviously, is advanced level proficiency. 

Cambridge exams do often act as pathways exams for aspiring international students, the same as IELTS.

icnif77:

Thx, for telling Miss A. If you would be around at the right time, I might get a Contract for part-time job, also.

sorrel:

http://www.cambridgeenglish.org/

this is a good site for more information

icnif77:

Thanks, sorrel! I'll look into it, when (if) I needed for the class. I was really just testing, if EU would be similar as China, where I send 50 CVs, and get 1 or 2 replies. But, it looks my EU passport 'took a cake'. Surprisingly, I got job despite nobody heard my English pronunciation. Italian job was 'promised reply in 48h'. Spaniards still waiting for my Internet (webcam interview), and I'm waiting for Chinaman to get me better Internet provider. 'Snail speed', and I'll pay for it! 'No ming bai'.

icnif77:

40 applications? Yeah, rightEU is 'hungry' for English teachers more than China.

I can't do video call over Skype, because my Internet connection is too weak to support video call to/from EU. And China people are helping me to change Internet provider for a week already.

I'm paying for it, so I don't understand what is a hold-up! 

JacobJohn:

are you looking to move to Spain for a teaching job?

icnif77:

I'm looking for possibilities to move out of China. I can't take it anymore! Endless 'screw me' possibilities got into me. Last School in Taizhou, Jiangsu, burned my valid RP, because they're not authorised to hire FT. In the same time, Jiangsu FEB won't issue WPermit to Non, so advice from FEB was 'return to EU'. My valid RP originated in Liaoning (Native English teachers Province) was extended since late 2011 in Liaoning and Xinjiang. 

I spent 15 000 Rmb (or two months Xinjiang salaries) for new Z in HK. I lost another 20 000 Rmb, because I was unable to participate in IDF Summer Camp in Nanjing.

Now, I got new RP in Fujian, have new FEC, what stands for Foreign (me) Expert (me, too) Certificate.

My apartment is 40m2 (school wouldn't tell me size of the apartment at Contract sign) with 4 plastic chairs and picnic dinner table, (which collapsed already), electric (induction) one plate, 25cm in diameter cooker and small rice/dumpling cooker, fridge,TV. My bed collapsed 2nd day (no sex), and it was exchanged with new bed promptly.

On the floor above me, something's hanging over the balcony. As soon as it's a bit windy, I can hear loud banging. It's a horror during the night. Nobody can contact the owner of the apartment, and stop metal to metal banging. It's impossible to break in to the apartment above, but I looked into 'B&E' few days ago. I MUST be desperate!

Is that apartment suitable for FExpert? -----> 'Fork off!'

On the other side, I must write teaching report/plan for each class in the same Grade (LOL). I had to sign 'property discloser' or 'I can't talk about whatever (secrets) I'll learn in the School or about the school'. School will observe and evaluate my work (what I like) every month.

In other words, School wants top performance, and in return I must live with plastic chairs, and other' manure'.

It's a river city, with dirty, stinky, colored water everywhere you look. Garbage piles just by the main road through the city. However, it would be a paradise, if clean.

I'm waiting for return of my passport from PSB with new RP, then I'll decide what I'll do.

My present Contract is flexible: 'I can walk out with 30 RNotice for any reason, and repay Z cost.'

I didn't decide yet, what I'll do. 2 weeks vacation in Yunnan is next probably.

I was considering to write this post on Scan's 'Ebola' tread as 'my ebola'. Thanks for asking!

matatyahu1987:

Could you tell me the name of the city and school?

JacobJohn:

It's a horror the apartment experience you're through and so disappointing that they would screw you this way. Well, let us know about your new whereabouts and hope you will be happier in Europe.

icnif77:

They didn't necessary screw me! Rep. said: 'this is a single apartment, and all Chinese live in the similar housing' They believe, we're (FTs) well suited. 

Rep.: 'Do you eat outside, or you cook by yourself?'

Me: 'I cook by myself, and I need furnished kitchen.'

Rep.: 'Will you get yourself an oven, like USA FT?'

Me: 'No, I'm leaving in a year. I won't purchase things, I cannot take with me. It's written in the Contract 'furnished kitchen', what means 'el. or gas cooker' and fridge.'

Apartment show was next.

I'll stay around eChina doesn't matter where I'll go. I like this Board!

icnif77:

'add-it': Fuk. School changed their mind about extending Contract 2 weeks before the end of the Contract/RPermit, probably because no Gov. grants anymore. Now, I had to jump on board new sponsor fast, what is not that easy for Non. Poster from eChina (juanisaac) connected me with agent, who got me Contract with Jiangsu School. If you read my comment, you can realize I didn't have much choice after Jiangsu fiasco. I had to find new Z sponsor ASAP. I had some corny offers from eChina jobs site, but with EU Z pick-up. I even sent CV to Helen, however Helen demanded apology, before Contract show.

One night, I was able to open Dave's ESL, and sent CV to that (not Jianou) School.

My choice was 'return to EU, and apply for new Z' (I was in EU in Feb.), or get any sponsor, with hope of HK Z pick-up.

They advertise under name 'can't remember now' 'American Sino International something School' with an excellent web site. As soon as I get their name, I'll post it. Everything looks like top School, but it's an agency with similar pattern as Helen. 

Contract has provision about quitting with 30-days RNotice (and refund some 3000 Rmb Z cost).

I signed, and if anything wrong, I'll walk away.

I have contact with few Unis already.

JacobJohn:

Hey, let us know as it looks to be a very useful info. Thanks.

icnif77:

I can't open Dave's ESL Cafe/China Jobs Board. If anybody can read job offers there, name of the agency/school is 'American Sino something'. There's a School's web link on the advert, too. School on Dave isn't based in Fujian, but in the Province NE of Fujian, I think.

I might have web link on Gmail, but….'failed to open page' is message on Safari.

icnif77:

If anybody else care for the job in Italy, (YOU) can PM me. I hope you understand, I couldn't resist to hold this excellent offer to myself!

They like Native English Teachers (mostly) (at my School..LOL), 'manager told me': 'Hold your Native English passports!'

However, because of the lenghty 'WP and RP process in EU', offer doesn't apply ('manager told me!') to FTs holding passports from: 

1. USA (Bill and Engl.)

2. Canada (Sino) 'add-it': and Ted. I know some positions in Germany and Holland/Amsterdam (RLight district, only! 'Thz germans')

3. Australia (Phil and T.). (T. maybe, if he can supply clean M. (head) Exam)

4. New Zealand.

'Manager told me', FTs from the above listed countries have too heavy accent. I knew, Italians know English!O2, o2 

'Nosa Costra' and hand rolled pizza with sunny side egg on the top next….

Tune in my (upper) head: "Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow…..tra-la-la-lalaaa", by honourable F. Zappa.

icnif77:

As soon as the School's name was posted, whole thread was moved from 'Recent Popular'. No reason for that, because everything written here is true!

icnif77:

I'm not sure, yet! Here banging don't stop. They showed me another apartment last week, but that's it.

On Tue., I expect return of my book with new RPermit.

I have slight problem: 'banging in the apartment' is cause for quitting immediately, without giving 30 days RN, and paying Z cost. I have Fujian FEB phone no. on hand, buTT:

'if I quit imm. I must move out of the apartment, and for now I don't have place to go, so I must cool it down, and do it when I'll have place to move in (or out of China)'.

EU looks promising, however I didn't sign Contract, yet. School asked me, when I can be in Italy, and I told them I need two weeks the longest to move out of China.

I have another interview tomorrow at 1am. We'll try with video again, however my Internet is the same, 'cause Chinaman doesn't move.

Did you look at the Kunshan web link? Would you sign Contract with School, if you would only see that web link?

icnif77:

Rep. came to the apartment for FEC. He'll cancel it tomorrow.

Dismissal letter was issued yesterday, so by Contract, I must vacate apartment by September 19th.

Rep. asked me to move out ASAP. He wants to head to PSB tomorrow, and cancel RP with issue 30 days L.

They don't understand 30-days notice.

Call to SAFEA tomorrow is a must. I hope, somebody speaks English. there.

icnif77:

Yeah, around 1000 Eur and free apartment for less than 20 classes/week. Bonus of 1000 Eur in the end of 10 months Contract.

My Italian School is sham! I found FT Board (I believe on the same link I posted as reply to sorrel), where some 10 teachers were asking about Italian guy, who conducted interview over Skype, but no voice. Just chat. All teachers were 'hired' some two weeks before me.

He never replied (with the Contract) to me anyway.

As soon as I sort out this thing here, I'll try Spanish Schools.

'add-it': if you 'Yahoo-gle' name of the Italian School I posted above, you'll find Board with FTs complaining about 'being hired without talking to the guy'.

manasyt:

Screw it man...1000 euro is hardly enough to survive in EU

icnif77:

Yeah, it's a students wage, but it might work out with part-time, however part-time in China is easy to get. I'm sure, it's not that easy in EU. 'add-it': 'You should open individual Schools on web link. Some Schools offer more than 1000 Eur, but with more working hours. I had very quick look at Italy and Spain. I didn't look at every School.