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Q: Are people still using fake degrees in China to teach English.?

I was surprised to read that many of the ESL teachers in China use fake degrees to teach English.

I have a degree but found it strange that it seems no-one seems to do any checks?.
Don't the PSB or schools do checks. Aren't there any standards?

7 years 40 weeks ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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To really understand this you must first sort of have an understanding of how Chinese mentallity works, and what is "face".

There is a requirement for some job opennings to have an ESL degree, and for others, if at college level, for at least a BS degree.  Even to get your Foreign Expert Certificate you must have some sort of degree from a college at least.  But all it is required is to present a paper, from which a copy will be made for the record.
Now, they could know (or could not) that the degree is a fake, but because of "face" nothing will be said at first, it will be accepted at face value and no background check will be done.  But, do not get into any kind of problem, because then everything will be checked with a microscope to find enough evidence to get rid of you.  Otherwise, not much to nworry about, unfortunately.

It will be very easy to get on Internet and have any type of a degree faked for about $ 100 US dollars.  And even with such ridiculous names as American College of Arts and Science, they will be accepted here (as I said, at face value).  I do not recommend it at all, but it is very wide spread.

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To really understand this you must first sort of have an understanding of how Chinese mentallity works, and what is "face".

There is a requirement for some job opennings to have an ESL degree, and for others, if at college level, for at least a BS degree.  Even to get your Foreign Expert Certificate you must have some sort of degree from a college at least.  But all it is required is to present a paper, from which a copy will be made for the record.
Now, they could know (or could not) that the degree is a fake, but because of "face" nothing will be said at first, it will be accepted at face value and no background check will be done.  But, do not get into any kind of problem, because then everything will be checked with a microscope to find enough evidence to get rid of you.  Otherwise, not much to nworry about, unfortunately.

It will be very easy to get on Internet and have any type of a degree faked for about $ 100 US dollars.  And even with such ridiculous names as American College of Arts and Science, they will be accepted here (as I said, at face value).  I do not recommend it at all, but it is very wide spread.

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It depends. The last school I worked at in Guilin did check our credentials, and one of the foreign teachers got sacked because he had a fake diploma. Many wont but some will

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I'd say that China is rife with it as other Asian markets continue to demand more and greater levels of education from their foreign teachers. These standards are simply not at that level here. Yet. Fitting a racial stereotype seems to be the number one priority in the private sector.

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When the supply of teachers eventually gets close to the demand, I hope China can implement these standards for background checks.

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You needn't a degree to teach in China. It's suffice to be Caucasian.

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Depends on what school, let's say a Chinese School or Private training school, I would say you only need a fake diploma, but as you look for the higher paying jobs, international schools, universities and so on, well, back ground checks will be done. But let's say they do implement what South Korea and Japan have done. Then if you are over 35 you are know longer welcome for you are out of the spotlight in the students and parents eyes, checks into criminal activities such as a speeding ticket or maybe smoked a joint when you where 16 would have you banned or asked to leave, so ESL workers, choose your poison. Besides, ESL isn't rocket science, I began in subject teaching at a major University, I had to have my transcripts sent by my University in a sealed envelope and the all original documents atested. So, if you teach primary students oral English without a degree doesn't matter to me, if you teach AP subjects or any subjects for that matter, it does matter about a real degree. It has always surprised me on this website, fake degrees at a training school OH MY, come on people really. You are not doctors or teaching rocket science, you are teaching people to speaki your mother language not math, science, physics and so on. Get a tesol or tefl, have a good heart and gather a good teaching methodology, why a degree?

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Given that the only criteria for teaching in many places is the white face, why would the school give much of a hoot whether the diploma is genuine or not?

 

As long as it gets by the local Foreign Experts' Bureau and PSB, they don't care. I guess even borderline cases can be settled by a little guanxi or money under the table.

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What's a fake degree? Barrack Obama got an honorary degree and so did Jimmy Fallon. Barrack Obama got one from Harvard and they said it's a real degree he just didn't take any classes. And Jimmy Fallon got one because I think he dropped out of the school but they gave one to him anyways because he was famous and they get to add him to the alumni status. 

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To do any work legally, you need a Z-Visa/work permit. To get a Z-Visa legally, you  need at least at a BA. 

 

I guess that's where Photoshop often gets into the equitation.  

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Funny you should ask...

 

Maybe you should check out these recent links  http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6767  and http://chinasupersleuth.wordpress.com

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Funny you should ask...

 

Maybe you should check out these recent links  http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6767  and http://chinasupersleuth.wordpress.com

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