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Q: Are you happy teaching ESL?

This is just a direct question to those who are teaching or who have taught ESL. 

 

Personally, there were times when I really enjoyed it and times when I hated it. I loved it when it included teaching at a university or with business English students. Why? 

 

Older students could get my jokes and I could discuss more interesting topics. But the main reason, because they gave some level of respect. Plus, looking at beautiful Asian women while teaching, doesn't hurt right? 

 

I find when you teach younger kids or in training centers, you are just a... edutainer in a popularity contest with no real value placed on you (from my experience, probably some good places out there). You are like a machine factory owners buy and just want to keep the money coming in... 

 

Yeah, so anyway. Do/did you enjoy teaching ESL? Is it just a easy buck for you? Or do you despise it? 

 

If I had to give ESL teaching in China a score from 1 - 100. 100 being the most satisfying job and 0 being you prefer to offf yourself than work... I would give ESL teaching somewhere around 60-70. You? 

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I am not a happy person in general, so I would have to say... No.

Robk:

Haha, I guess teaching ESL has nothing to do with that then. 

 

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That's why I chose to teach economics as my main subject. I have some Oral English classes on the side but I really hate it, especially teaching high school kids. Most of them give you blank looks when you speak with them. At the end, I just give them reading lessons and they go away happily to their parents saying I taught them how to speak?! GOD! Isn't oral English about having conversations? How in the world can I have a conversation when they can't even handle an 'asking for direction' question? I hate it because planning oral lessons are completely a waste of time. Teaching uni students? Now that's a different basket of fish altogether! 

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I would like it, if it were actually teaching ESL. I actually found it quite fulfilling when I was teaching ESL to recent immigrants and refugees in my own country. What I do here, in one of the top ten universities in China, is more like babysitting than anything else.

In China, you are basically expected to just be a clown. It makes no difference if you are actually qualified or not...you are just a clown. I really wish someone had told me that before I spend the $$$ on plane tickets to China. I work in one of the top universities in China, and I spend more time confiscating cell phones and books or trying to get my kids to stop blabbering to each other in Chinese while I am trying to talk than I do actually teaching. It's kind of like dealing with 8 year olds.

The good news is, I only need to save up a little bit more money before I can go to graduate school.

MissA:

Yup, I'm absolutely with you there. I'm working in my home country at the moment, working intensively with a really great group of people who've packed up and come across to Australia because they really want to learn. There's no comparison with teaching 'oral' in China. None. 

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I go back and forth on the issue of happiness as it pertains to teaching in China. Some classes are kick ass, the students pay attention and prove that they are learning. Some classes suck and I feel like walking out of class because no one would notice anyway. The Chinese point of view is that everything is the teachers fault, no responsibility falls on the students to actually pay attention or learn.The Chinese people seem to think a good teacher can make an undisciplined little brat magically learn.  Overall, I would like to have another job and would give it a rating of 45.

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Fair enough question...

 

I'd say I'm at about 80%... with large chunks of 10%.

 

I only teach older kids - usually about 18-22, though for this summer stint they're a bit younger (and probably into the new year).

 

I was teaching a Pre-master's Program, and they've been the most fulfilling classes I've had (sometimes... how to write a good dissertation, what an actual 'Literature Review' is... etc etc). I even liked tracking down where my kids had stolen their crap from (and giving 0 for a paper Laughing out loud)

 

But I'm now doing 'Oral English', and while for the most part it annoys me, since I'm an unconventional teacher, and I get them to actually try and sound like a native speaker ("waddyawannadotoday'), I've found that the students actually get into it (possibly cos they feel they're actually learning something useful... I hope).

 

However, TBH, the current gig is just for the visa (while paid a nice hourly rate)... which allows me to finish the current degree, may allow me to have some research material later, and do the real earner of examining.

 

(I totally agree with the bit about being able to have real conversations about real topics and jokes etc etc... though, they rarely get them...)

 

Time flies like an arrow.

Fruit flies like a banana.

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I mostly work with kids (2 - 10Y), and I have a blast, 'cause kids are so direct.

 

This semester, I'm at the High School with school's syllabus, which I didn't see yet. It was promised tomorrow.

 

I'll certainly get some babies work on the side, just for fun.

 

I'm very quick on decisions, and if I wouldn't enjoy, I'd pack my bags very fast. It's my 5th year in China.

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I actually loved it
I mainly worked in training centers so i was dealing with older students and adults mostly.

They loved my humor ( much too low brow for the folks here) and although the system was kind of a joke, it seemed to work none the less. So seeing results in my work was nice.

I had the trust of my employers so i was never bound to any lessons that i felt were useless.

Most importantly i was never silly enough to believe that i was anything more than a monkey, so i owned it and thrived.

There are certainly ways to be a monkey without feeling degraded while also not alienating your company.

I loved the lifestyle. Could live in the city center of whatever city i wanted. No manufacturing disctricts for this guy. Had access to food and fun anytime.

Perhaps im a positive kind of fellow because i even liked having to work on weekends. When i was off most people where at work so i appreciated being able to go to a museum or something with a smaller hoard.

If it paid more, id do it again in a second.

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It was not bad. I decidedly prefer teaching economics, math, and other business subjects. 

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Yes I am happy teaching ESL. It is a new career for me. My 4th one.  But the employers usually turn out to be much less than desirable.  Living conditions and ambiguities in the contract seem to always be the problem. 

90 for the schools, teachers and students; 40 to 70 for employers.

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