icnif77:

'Down', 'cause I liked your 'outburst'. No need for apology!

sorrel:

@ScotsAlan.

don't worry about it

it is a normal reaction to an unexpected situation - it could have been a lot worse had you exploded there and then.

I will maintain my assertion that ECC is a safety valve of sorts where it is better to complain (and yes everyone does it unless you are a wumao or a Hadley), than explode where you could invite personal damage.

ScotsAlan:

Thanks sorrel. What I heard on Saturday would not have surprised me in a hick town where people go nowhere, and the water is supplied through lead pipes. I come from a hick town, so I know about them. I was just shocked. I was angry... but above all I was disapointed. How can western education produce such results? Role model.... yeah right. But the scariest thing of course.... these guys have a vote.. horrific. I am all for freedom of speach. But what chance do the kids have when they hear bile like that everyday.

ScotsAlan:

What I mean to say is, if I go to a hick town and hear racists comments, no problem. Its a hick town. Could be in Europe, the Americas, Africa or OZ. Its expected.. sadly. But thats the way it is. But to hear international peoople say the worst things in my life....Nah. Not on. Once you become "international", the hick town attitudes should be left behind.

Eorthisio:

There is no such thing as pro-China coming from a non-Chinese, you will never be Chinese. There are Arabs, Blacks or Asians who are pro-West because they can become Westerners, have a Western passport and call Western countries home. Not the opposite way around.

You like China, I like China too, there are things I can't tolerate here but China is a place where I choose to stay because overall it's not so bad. However I will never be pro-China, I will never call China home, simply because even if I achieve fluency in Putonghua, marry a Chinese woman and have more knowledge about Chinese culture than any Chinese out there, I will never be Chinese.

China is not bombing anyone because they can't, the PLA has zero projection capability. They still bully their neighbors though, the Philippines, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, Mongolia, Russia, Pakistan all have territorial disagreements with China, this country has by far the most territorial disputes in the world.

People are quick to forget Tibet, Xinjiang, the persecution of Falun Gong followers and the event that shall never be mentioned when China shows its fancy new skyscrapers and throws money around. China can become a better country but not under the Communist devils' rule. On the 4th of June every year I put a candle on my window to show respect for China and disdain to the CCP, I hope you know why, I really hope.

rasklnik:

You defend a regime that can not be defended by a man with any morals. It is not simply ok here, it is bleak beyond all belief. From one T to another T from Xinjiang to Blind Lawyers, from Foot binding to free cancer, you are either the most willfully ignorant of men, or had the most horrible experiences before China. I will take the word of Human Rights Watch, Journalists without borders, and AI and the Vatican over 'anybody' who has an opinion. China blocked the UN security vote on NK's human rights situation...a situation called, "without equal since the Nazi Death Camps". Oh sure this country hasn't bombed anybody, but props up a regime that starves their own people to death, because THIS COUNTRY starved their own people to death, and put the lead starvation engineer in a big crystal box.

RiriRiri:

First you apologize and then you go on about exactly the same BS.

We get it they got on your nerves but you're saying nothing that hasn't been answered in the first page already.

mattsm84:

Might the distinction you draw be a product of your own prejudice? People can be smart and capable and hold terrible opinions. But enough about your love affair with China's oppressive oligarchy *rimshot*.

Jim Crow is actually an example of this. Consider that in the immediate aftermath if the Civil War the whites of the south were newly conquered and occupied by what was to them a foreign army while their former slaves had be liberated and were being elected to hold government offices. Within 20 year they had successfully executed a terror campaigned designed to put themselves back in power. Within 35 they'd cemented that position into written law, and by the turn of the century they had changed the historical narrative of the war itself to fit their agenda. This narrative has in fact persisted in many people's hearts until the modern day. These are not the results of disorganized blind hatred, or the plans of stupid men.

gouxiong:

And unlike you ScotsAlan I think that the open racism is much less dangerous than that hidden one. If confronted with open racism so you may do something, you may react in certain way. On top of that majority of the people will at best ignore the open racist and these people (present in each and every country and nation in the world), being isolated, cannot rally do much harm (just few will develop violent behavior and even those are better monitored if known).

However hidden racism, which some people try to call 'culturism' is much more dangerous. These people pretend to be open minded, tolerant and above of small 'skirmishes'.

In reality they are saying that they have a right to decide what is better o equal 'culture' to theirs and what is inferior 'culture'. They feel they have a right to lecture and judge other people just because they think their 'culture' is better.

I find these people behavior much more dangerous as apparently a lot of people can consider such a behavior clearly aimed towards certain clearly defined group of individuals as acceptable. 

Luckily in China these people can at best jut whine at the expat sites or commit some, in West as well as East, highly questionable deeds (like shouting on the person who just watches them or offending/trying to humiliate the people who are talking among themselves etc.) and contribute thus to certain negative stereotypes about foreigners in China.