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Q: Are you scared of China's development?

  I'm guessing this is going to get a LOT of red thumbs off the 'red thumb fairies', but i'm interested: Are you just bitching on China because you're scared that they're gonna keep growing and be your boss? You know who I mean; the constant complainers; those who aren't able to see that this is just another place, albeit in a different economic position, full of people hustling to get by like everywhere else.

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I am for the Chinese lower and middle class to have more. I see so many people/families in China and I  wish they had better jobs, air, or food. Stuff that people in other countries take for granted.

As a Canadian, I see many people who live with such an abundance, and they still complain about things. They have a big house, backyard, 2 vehicles, a boat, etc. and still whine and are unhappy or just assholes. If I was God I would have these people transported to China where they can live a life as lower-middle class. and in turn I would have a few Chinese families come and live their lives. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good humble Canadians who do indeed appreciate the things they have, but it would still be nice to have a few 'swaps'.

 

Amonk:

People always want a little more than they have, and a little more than what those around them have. Put the rich amongst the poor and they'll be happy to know they have more. Men with a 4" pencil only wish they could have a 5" one- same as the man with an 11" one who wishes for 12". Anyway, that's why I'm always happy while in China.

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Yes, China's the same as everywhere else, minus a conscience. I wouldn't be scared of China's development if the trend among the powerful wasn't a complete lack of respect for life, in favor of making, or saving, an extra yuan. They disregard safety standards in virtually everything they produce, and they're astoundingly good at destroying the environment with said production. Restaurants everywhere use toxic gutter oil, either because their boss is too cheap to buy new or too stupid to know it's dangerous. Don't even get me started on the real estate moguls. Or how about the middle class urbanites who spend two months' pay on an iphone just so they can have more face than their coworker, remaining silent when their boss underpays them, because they don't even work enough of the hours on the clock to earn a decent wage to begin with, since they're far too busy chatting on QQ or updating their Weibo on their new iphone. Then you have the peasants and migrant workers, who if their neighbor dropped dead would jump on the opportunity to sell his children and make a few hundred RMB per head, since they already sold their own. It's hard to say who's the most corrupt of the lot. If we mention any of these things as "laowai", we are met with a chorus of "if you hate China so much, then leave". But China is not in a bubble of its own separated from the rest of the world, despite how many locals believe that. Just like an infection can spread throughout the body and become fatal, China needs a dose of cultural antibiotics, before its short-sighted and greedy populace destroy it - and take the rest of the world down with it.

 

That sounded a little gloomy...

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This topic is interested. The differences among poor and rich people is a big question, chinese bosses don,t have any considerationg for employees, rich people and in general chinese are lack of values and ethic. If they get money they cannot think for a second to do something for the society.    I have heard there are many chinese in Africa and it is not for helping, just for money. I just think chinese have something in their mind, money and money and they can do everything for it so I am a little scared

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i am disappointed in china's development. i want to see people live well. i want to see people educated to think on their own. i want to see people live like human beings and not like animals. i want to see people of all nations live in peaceful co-existence (i also want to see usa military budget decreased to 100 billion, but that can't happen if countries like china bully their neighbors and claim land that isn't theirs) i want people to live in buildings that won't fall down, drive over bridges that won't collapse.
i want people to eat a meal confident that it is not slowly killing them 

 

question for you marty, do you really think china is developing the right way? do you think china is growing more stable? (read the articles about police officers being attacked and read people celebrate it)

mArtiAn:

  Honestly Crimo, I don't really pay attention to China's development, or that of any country in the world whatsoever. I'm of the belief that people are the same wherever you go (to steal a line from 'Ebony and Ivory') and that abhorent behaviour is a direct bi-product of living and struggling within the monetary system. I recognize the points made on poor quality construction and food production and the like, but I don't see it as a Chinese failing rather than a human failing. Anyway, I was drunk when I posted this last night. Just stirring a little trouble, you know me.

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ok lets see. the entire world uses the monetary system. many countries like swiss , france, germ, swed, now, and many more have very little problems. china's problems are truely unique to china. yep blame foreigners for forcing poor innocent china into the monetary system. i universally believe that most corp ceos are evil to varying degrees. so let's look at the people. in what other country  do the people as a practice put arsenic into food that will feed it's own people? in what other country do people have their toodlers crap in the middle of the aisle on airplanes, trains and buses, in malls , and restaurants? which other country pollutes it's air food and water supply the way china does (yes i know in 1900 blah blah blah... but you do understand it is 2013. mankind has learned some shat between then and now)

 

your logic is non existent. it does not apply in reality. if i went to the doc because my eye kept popping out of it's socket and my ears kept flapping and the doc told me it's just the common cold i would shoot him.

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What development? It has a large economy, due to a large number of people. However, this benefits the multinational companies and relatively few others. In fact, China overexagerates it's economy with a lot of fabricated figures. The world pretends they don't notice, while laughing quietly at the impending collapse.

 

China has made virtually no development or progress in any other area. In fact, looking at the environment and the social conditions, it seems they are going backwards in many areas.

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china will be the boss of the world. just you wait. 

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I am not scared of China, I am scared for her and her people.

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The question confuses two distinct things: Chinese people and the state. The CCP also likes to confuse these two things when talking about "China's" interests.

 

Yes, normal Chinese people are just "hustling to get by". I don't think anyone is worried about the development of Chinese people's living conditions. It would be great if that was the CCP's main concern.

 

The development they are concerned about is that of China as an industrial military superpower. China's escalating hostility towards its neighbours and increasing belligerence in international politics is not likely good news for anyone.

 

 

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I agree with you. It's a fair point of view. 

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Interesting question and some VERY illuminating answers.

 

The imminent collapse of the Chinese economy has been faithfully predicted every year, heck almost every month for 30 years, I suppose eventually it must come true, after all even a stopped watch is right twice a day!

 

China is emerging into a real world super power, even if only economically, but with enough military to prevent it being intimidated back into 'it's place' by the USA (as they did to Japan). China is doing no differently than most 'western' powers did in their industrial revolutions, they empowered individuals to make money hand over fist regardless of the consequences. To those who said 'we didn't know any better then'  BullCRAP, read your history there are plenty of stories of entire regions of the UK looking like the furnaces of Hades and plenty of contemporary accounts of the obvious pollution, of the air, rivers, land and sea, this was no secret. China is doing the same, is it an excuse? No, but it IS understandable.

 

Are people scared? I think many of those who originate from N. America are, even if they refuse to admit it, they (those from N. America) have been raised in a dynamic, creative, imaginative, superpower status region, they aren't used to the decay Europeans in general and us Brits in particular have gotten used to in our lifetimes so aren't prepared for the changes they see in their own nations, and so look for faults in their perceived competitor to enable them to at least claim moral superiority. Of all people, I remember Crimo summed it up quite well when he said something like, USA didn't used to compare itself to anyone, it just did, now they are always comparing themselves to China, this is a sure sign of the stagnation of that nation.

 

Good question, thumbs up from me.

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I don,t want to imagine what will happen when China becomes the boss of the world. I am european I prefer US as a superpower to China leading the world. We shouldn,t allow this happens

crimochina:

china won't allow china to be a super power.

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Every time I worry about China becoming a superpower I remember that the Chinese people can't even defeat their own government and vice verse.

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