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Are the jobs posted on this site generally legit? How many of you out there have secured work through here?
Is there another preffered site for finding teaching jobs?
9 years 43 weeks ago in Teaching & Learning - China
Just the usual caveats: if a posting is looking for 50 teachers, it's a scam. If the salary range is 3000-10000000 RMB/mo - it's a scam. If you see "Cultural exchange...beautiful and scenic...travel China...Number 1 school in a clean and cultural city" - it's a scam.
If you see, "Highly motivated students who will respect the foreign teachers as treasures of China" it's definitely a scam.
Shared apartments - scam...SAFEA regulations are '3-star hotel' standard...nothing about sharing.
Lower salary during probation period - scam.
Extended probationary period (more than one month)...scam.
Contact email address is not a school address but hotmail, yahoo, qq, 163.com, etc., not necessarily a scam but certainly should raise your eyebrows.
Claims over 120 years of experience working with foreigners (I may be exaggerating) is a scam.
25 page contract explaining that the company has the right to your first-born, your social life and may fine you a years' salary for being 1/12000th of a second late (whilst expecting you to work up to 24000 hours of unpaid overtime per month) is a scam.
To put it simply, a really good school (in all aspects) should not have to advertise as all the FTs would be really happy and if they must leave, would suggest the opening to their contacts and friends.
New schools and organizations crop up, and source for local FTs with experience. Schools that are seeking FTs from abroad (except 'real' International schools which require 'real' qualifications) usually are looking for chumps.
I have found, and have had another offers from, real, legit positions from echinacities. It's all a matter of doing your homework and not being pressured into accepting the first nibble that you get or thinking that "well, despite the 1000 negative posts against this place, maybe now it'll be different."
There's no guarantee on the authenticity of the jobs posted neither on this site, nor on every other site around. And actually most of them do have disclaimers reminding you just that on their job pages.
You just have to be cautious and use common sense.
If you're looking for a teaching job, I guess here is fair enough as long as you know your shit with agents.
If you're looking for something else, I would use other means.
Is there some particular reason to doubt authenticity of different kinds of job posts here? What's the possible motivations for making fake ads perse?
RiriRiri:
It's not that they're psychopaths waiting to bleed you and skin you in a gruesome way, or that they're having fun playing tricks and posting fake ads.
It's more a story of hardly professional people, unaware or unwilling to follow regulations, sugarcoating their offers, etc. TIC.
expatlife26:
You haven't seen this story, friend.
http://answers.echinacities.com/node/230952
It's all over the net...some of the recruiter stories are pretty grim
RiriRiri:
I meant, except for this, brother.
You know no one in the expat community would never joke around when it comes to Bobby Bolles. You know that. You DO know that, right?
I'd hate to lose my third thumb.
A basic rule of thumb would be to avoid any recruiter who does not state clearly in their posting that a 'Z' visa is on offer.
If they need to be prompted or reminded on this, they are probably scam artists, as are any that try to tell you to work on any other visa type.
Then it is a case of research and weeding out potentially poor employers.
Ultimately you take your chance once you accept an offer.
RiriRiri:
We could argue on the "scam" part (I think they're just being Chinese), but please don't say "artists".
I don't get all this paranoia about recruiters...just find out the job details when you talk to them. Like sorell said make sure the hiring party is getting a visa...
But really if you're a native speaker why wouldn't they? I have never once met a native speaker who was working illegally who wasn't either being irresponsible or choosing to.
just don't take a job if it sounds sketchy or isn't in a place you want to live.
The UK is the same. Lots of job agencies advertise non existing jobs to get you on their books.
You just have to be smart.
The UK is the same. Lots of job agencies advertise non existing jobs to get you on their books.
You just have to be smart.
Once I called a recruiter 10 minutes after the job ad was posted, it was already filled but no worries the recruiter had another offer that could interest me (worse location, lower salary, more workload, ...).
What a joke.
I think most of the teaching jobs are for real but I wonder if the non teaching jobs are suspect. At least I've never had a reply but the there are a lot more applicants for non teaching jobs. Coz teaching sucks
They tend to be more legit than eslcafe (which is run by the biggest whore in the esl business) and eslteachersboard (which has no regulation mechanism).
You do have to use common sense though. Liars and cheats just won't come out and say as much. If they don't guarantee a z visa, walk. If they imply hiring you on any other visa, walk. If you do a background check on them, and a pattern of concerning business practices emerges (I see you, ChinaESL), walk. Esl in China already means monkeying it up for unreliable idiots, so there is no reason to scrape the bottom of a shallow barrel.
Just the usual caveats: if a posting is looking for 50 teachers, it's a scam. If the salary range is 3000-10000000 RMB/mo - it's a scam. If you see "Cultural exchange...beautiful and scenic...travel China...Number 1 school in a clean and cultural city" - it's a scam.
If you see, "Highly motivated students who will respect the foreign teachers as treasures of China" it's definitely a scam.
Shared apartments - scam...SAFEA regulations are '3-star hotel' standard...nothing about sharing.
Lower salary during probation period - scam.
Extended probationary period (more than one month)...scam.
Contact email address is not a school address but hotmail, yahoo, qq, 163.com, etc., not necessarily a scam but certainly should raise your eyebrows.
Claims over 120 years of experience working with foreigners (I may be exaggerating) is a scam.
25 page contract explaining that the company has the right to your first-born, your social life and may fine you a years' salary for being 1/12000th of a second late (whilst expecting you to work up to 24000 hours of unpaid overtime per month) is a scam.
To put it simply, a really good school (in all aspects) should not have to advertise as all the FTs would be really happy and if they must leave, would suggest the opening to their contacts and friends.
New schools and organizations crop up, and source for local FTs with experience. Schools that are seeking FTs from abroad (except 'real' International schools which require 'real' qualifications) usually are looking for chumps.
I have found, and have had another offers from, real, legit positions from echinacities. It's all a matter of doing your homework and not being pressured into accepting the first nibble that you get or thinking that "well, despite the 1000 negative posts against this place, maybe now it'll be different."