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Q: The Bastards are at it again. London terror attack.

4 killed suspect shot dead.
This is still fluid in regards to details .
One victim is a police officer.
20 injured
This happened on the bridge outside parliament house.
Not sure who did this however you have to think it is the usual suspects .
While we think it is IS inpired you can't rule out other nut jobs

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That seems to be the stance of liberals, because we don't want to offend Muslims, we'll just do nothing about and accept it because shootings happen everywhere by anyone

Shining_brow:

Ok, now I'm REALLY confused....

 

Is this thread about Muslims ojr not? Because, even the OP has jumped in to say that it wasn't... and I'm getting heaped upon for presuming it was....

 

But... apparently it's not... but you're suggesting it is........

 

 

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The post was about terrorist attack in London. At the time i didn't know if it was a IS inspired attack or a Britex inspired attack. And said so . As we got a name conclusions were formed and As it turns out it was your run of the mill islamic radical .

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Abu Isadene is the suspect shot dead by police.
Still don't know who he was doing this for .

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Muslim just doing what muslims do.

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You got wrong mastards :

 

Confusion Over Identity Of London Terrorism Suspect, As Previously Named Abu Izzadeen Is Still In Prison

It appears that press reports were wrong, because according to the BBC, Trevor Brooks aka Abu Izzadeen is still in prison. Which obviously means that he could not have been the attacker.

icnif77:

Detailed London's attack description:

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-22/gunfire-reported-outside-uk-parliament-two-people-have-been-shot-building-lockdown 

 

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Are you aware that there are news sources out there other than Zero Hedge?

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Yeah, buTT ... '0H' is my fav.

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Wasn't Icinif who posted about the EU limiting Americans? 

Try joking with the victims of these attacks about the EU's/ USA's policies of letting anyone in without proper checks from regoins that absolutely hate our guts.

It remains to be seen if this attack is a direct result of that policy but that policy has led to attacks previously and will again lead to attacks in the future

icnif77:

I wasn't joking! You got web link, i.e. 'copy&paste' about 'EU's making US citizens get visa for Schengen'. That is for real! US&EU will smooth it out, but EU imposed visa for visiting US citizens some 10-days ago.

Recent refugees were 'created' by West (in Syria) and I think 'open EU borders and let anybody in' is 'white-wash'.

'Rabbit lies elsewhere .....', IMO.

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4 victims and 1 police officer dead around 40 injured according to some reports

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Englteachted:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-possible-gunfire-near-britains-parliament-145735774.html

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Nothing to do with i thing, same as any terrorist attack. Why are these buddhists organizing attacks all the time

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Not terrorism but goes to the point of being sensible and having requirements about who you let in.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/01ee4998-aa81-391e-acc2-821a094f8af5/ss_und...

 

Shining: I propose creating a list of countries that are higher risk states (has nothing to do with religion but religion has an influence in their behaviors) Example; Russia could be put on the list for the amount of spies and hackers they sent to America to disrupt things. Some African countries, like Kenya (could be wrong about the country) are ultra christian conservative. They get put on the list because they support killing gays. 

So people from countries on the list looking to apply for a visa must be checked out more carefully and proven safe before given a visa. 

What's wrong with that? Are you ok with the status quo? What changes do you propose? Or just more ranting with no purpose other than to cloud the issue?

Shining_brow:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/12/her-boyfriend-raped-her-and-shes-glad-she-had-no-gun/

 

Firstly - unfortunately, rape (and other crimes of violence) happen. EVERYWHERE in the world  - cos, basically, humans suck! Some of those assailants are from other countries and are immigrants (legal, and illegal). MOST, however, are not.

 

And, yes, I do think they need to be deported!

 

As for your suggestion - I think a closer scrutiny is FINE! Just closing off an entire country is not.

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Do you understand the principle of prevention? Yes rape happens everywhere but not all rape is the same (or happens for the same reason). Are you against educating men about date rape? That will not stop all rape. Are you against lighted alleys ? That won't stop all rape. 

But each is one thing that can be done to limit rape. Prevent the ones that can be easily prevented. All I'm saying, understand that some cultures accept things we don't accept. So we must be a little bit more carefully when letting in people from these countries. Also, (should go without saying) don't leave the door open for anyone to just walk in unchecked. If you disagree with that point than why do you lock your doors?

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Ummm... did you even bother to read what I wrote? Especially the LAST two sentences?

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Yeah! Read moar ..... both of you .

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The Muslim mayor of London said this is the price you pay for living in a big city, basically, it's no big deal.

 

So this is the new normal for European society, who should the average person thank for this great elitist wisdom.

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Can you post a link to where he said that?

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Sorry, just saw the link you posted

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7 arrested in the North of England in relation to the Terrorist attack in London.

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That seems to be the stance of liberals, because we don't want to offend Muslims, we'll just do nothing about and accept it because shootings happen everywhere by anyone

Shining_brow:

Ok, now I'm REALLY confused....

 

Is this thread about Muslims ojr not? Because, even the OP has jumped in to say that it wasn't... and I'm getting heaped upon for presuming it was....

 

But... apparently it's not... but you're suggesting it is........

 

 

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The post was about terrorist attack in London. At the time i didn't know if it was a IS inspired attack or a Britex inspired attack. And said so . As we got a name conclusions were formed and As it turns out it was your run of the mill islamic radical .

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Belgian Police Detain Man Trying To Drive Into Busy Shopping Street Crowd

another Jihadist "copycat" attack was attempted, this time in Antwerp, Belgium where a car tried to enter a shopping street at high speed on Thursday, but the potentially deadly attack was stopped by Belgium police which detained the driver.

 

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London (again!):

 

 

Car Rams Into Pedestrians In Islington Area Of London; One Male Arrested

In what may be a copycat terrorist assault to last week's deadly car attack on Westminster Bridge which left 5 people (including the assailant) dead and dozens injured, moments ago reports hit that a car has rammed into pedestrians on Essex Road in the Islington area of London which is reportedly on lockdown.

 

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 The act of a radicalized Brit.  One can only wonder how truly efficient MI5, MI6, Special Branch etc., etc., really are.  

philbravery:

They foil more attacks than they miss. It just shows there are more potential terrorists among the so called peaceful religion

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Considering that neither MI5 nor MI6 nor Special Branch publish any statistics, your assumption, while patriotic, is rather gratuituous in nature. 

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The thing is, there's not a damn thing any intelligence agency in the world can do if a nutter wakes up one day and decides he's going to drive a car into people and stab a copper!  They can infiltrate cells and monitor phone and internet conversations but these are really only effective against groups and more narcissistic individuals who would tell people what there going to do before they do it.  A lone wolf is almost impossible to stop.

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andyinshenyang, your comment is quite true enough ... however and speaking here only to the British end, with all of the interception, monitoring, etc., etc., that goes on in GHCQ,  I find it difficult to believe that there are no traces.  Simply widen the dragnet, even if it means profiling.  And then reintroduce the death penalty as in China, do just as they do in China ... seize all of the greater family's possessions, deprive them of their livelihood, deport any and all of them, isolate the neighborhood militarily...  find out what the Israelis do to cut down on terrorism as much as possible.  A lot can be done if one has the backbone.

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Chinese have no concept of reality, they think America watches every single person on the planet at all times

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To andyinshenyang, re what you write, the Chinese are not so naive.  The American intelligence footprint is rather pervasive, invasive and well tuned.  It is not something that can be sneered at ... that being said, they are just sure having one hell of a time, now that Russia has hijacked the US elections.

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Actually I was using a quote from the minister who overseas the intelligence agencies in the UK. Now if i was to make the assumption you were a Chinese person that studied a foreign language , maybe I would be incorrect as it would not have any fact behind it ....just a intuition.

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Phil Bravery, no question as to whom I am.  Just go look at my Facebook profile.  It is complete, up-to-date and in line with Facebook regulations, family pictures and all. marco_cisernos@facebook.com.  I did find you on facebook, just one solitary picture and not much else.

 

Also, chiefs of intelligence departments are their own cheering squads.  It is a rather closed little circus.

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''African  'Russians' big-foot-print'':

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-03/dubai-police-arrest-hackers-who-broke-highly-confidential-white-house-emails

 

Dubai Police Arrest Hackers Who Broke Into "Highly Confidential" White House Emails
 
Dubai police have arrested foreign hackers who targeted five senior White House officials in a blackmail email scam. Maj. Saud al-Khalidi of the Dubai police said that an "African gang" broke into the emails of the five senior officials and "got highly confidential information." The U.S. asked Dubai police for assistance.
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If a white christian goes into a church and murders a stack of people, then he's just a mentally unstable individual who didn't get the help he needed.

 

When it's a non-white Muslim does something like that, they're an active terrorist trying to push for a cause.

 

The REASON the cops (MI5, MI6, etc) didn't stop this one is because he was a nutter who wasn't on meds (as he should have been), and went berserk.

 

Some of you point the finger at his religion. I point the finger at his state of mental health.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-name-kyrgyz-national-suspected-08...

 

Updated | The person suspected of bombing of a St. Petersburg metro station on Monday is a Kyrgyzstan native who had Russian citizenship, according to the Kyrgyzstan security service.

icnif77:

https://www.rt.com/news/383426-petersburg-suicide-attacker-identified/

 

The Russian Investigative Committee said it has established the identity of a suicide bomber who apparently detonated an explosive device in the Saint Petersburg Metro on Monday after examining the attacker’s remains from the blast site.

“Investigative Committee experts, working alongside FSB and the Interior Ministry rapid response teams, have established that the explosive device could have been set off by a male suspect whose fragmented remains have been found inside the third car,” Svetlana Petrenko, the committee’s spokeswoman, told Interfax.
 
She stressed that, while his identity is known, details will not be disclosed at this time “given the ongoing investigation.”
 
The official noted that the authorities are “carrying on with interrogations and inspecting CCTV cameras.”
 
“A blast assessment study, as well as a genetic examination, will follow,” she said.
 
The statement comes as the death toll continues to rise. Earlier on Tuesday, Russian Health Minister Veronika Skvortsova said three more blast victims had succumbed to their injuries, increasing the number of fatalities from eleven to fourteen.

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Funny, it still proves my point about being careful who you let in to your country and especially who you give citizenship to

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What about 'you let some people in, who later on turn against you, 'cause of your policies elsewhere ,,,,,' as in the last example in Syria. 

Tough proposal .... of yours!

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St. Petersburg Suicide Bomber Identified As 22-Year-Old Kyrgyz Native
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-04/st-petersburg-suicide-bomber-identified-22-year-old-kyrgyz-native
 
The Russian Investigative Committee has revealed the identity of a 22-year-old man who blew himself up in the Saint Petersburg subway on Monday, killing 14 and injuring dozens of people. The suicide bomber was revealed to be Kyrgyzstan native Akbarzhon Dzhalilov. He was born on April 1, 1995.
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icniff: You just don't get it do you? Civilized people can disagree without resorting to violence. The propensity for violence is there even if they haven't 'turned against you' yet because in barbaric countries, the culture is to all agree and follow or else we'll kill you. 

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They just copy you! Have a look at Israel, where they fight M-16s with suicide bombs for the last 30-years as I know .... the thing (suicides) became unstoppable, if you look at the the whole world. Israelis can stop them here and there, because of the small area, but there is no chance to stop them on the larger area. Anybody can strap bombs on her/himself instead of underwear on short notice .....

I might don't get it .... but, one should make them docile first .. 

Don't know, how can you justified USA/West action (or Vlad's for that matter) in Syria and say 'Muslins are bad' it the same spell ..'

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"Civilized people can disagree without resorting to violence"

 

I think you're definition of 'civilized (sic) needs checking.

 

Violence has been a part of the making and breaking of civilisations for thousands of years. AND, it's been at least theorised that without violence to spur certain aspects of civilisation on, humans don't develop as much. One example is the vast differences in technology and quality of life when comparing Europe to China in the 19th century. AND, many other places around the world. The constant conflicts in Europe led to greater technological developments, and thus (eventually) greater standards of living (in general).

 

And, of course, that's just ignoring the 'most civilised' people on the planet - Europeans - and most of last century... wars wars wars.

 

And, again, which country has the most military buildup and involvement around the world?

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Icnif's (nee glen greenald/noam chomsky et. al) "blame the west!" seems very avant garde right now, but it's really not much less simplistic than the "They hate our freedom!" bullshit I heard stupid people saying 15 years ago. Not that Chomsky/Greenwald are stupid...of course they aren't. But stupid people love unnuanced moralizing positions regardless of their source.

 

The thing is, it was necessary to uncompromisingly say that once. At a time when it was considered taboo and disrespectful (to the victims or the troops or whatever) to even think about discussing why terrorists want to do what they do, people needed to hear that there were grounded geopolitical reasons for what was going on in Israel and in Jihadist attacks on the west. People needed to get it in their head that things like Sykes/Picot have had a lasting legacy of instability and that Israel was in fact promoting settlement in provocative ways.

 

But now the pendulum has swung too far, and really is making excuses for the murder of innocents in a way that is disrespectful. No one remotely credible is out there arguing to "just give sykes/picot some time!" or they are just jealous of our blameless civilization. That battle has been won even if you can find some powerless racist idiot on a farm somewhere. "Blame the West!" has just become the new catchphrase of the reactionary fool incapable of seeing nuance and desiring a secure trench on the moral high ground from which to attack their enemies. It hasn't replaced "They hate our freedom!" with intelligent discussion, it has just given angry dummies something different to say. 

 

I say that even though I agree wholeheartedly that it's important to understand how the legacy of imperialism breeds instability and that Israel does absolutely need to reign in their crazies and settlement initiatives. But terrorists are bad guys. They are bad guys because they kill innocent people and it doesn't matter why. 

 

It's why you don't get to murder your neighbor and then tell the judge that he deserved it. Even if he was an alcoholic asshole who played loud music all night. You shoot him, you become a murderer even if in your opinion he deserved it. You are now the bad guy

 

God knows there are bad guys in the west too, callous businessmen who support wars for their own interests. Uncaring military commanders and politicians who carelessly order strikes where innocents are harmed. Those are bad guys. Terrorists are bad guys. Western, Arab, and Israeli civilians minding their own business are not bad guys.

 

Making excuses for terrorists is supporting the idea that some asshole out there could decide that YOUR life somehow is tacit approval of policies they don't like and choose to end YOUR existence. 

Shining_brow:

Not a bad piece... although, it does come across as a bit naive - if only because it's easy to say such things when you're not the one being troubled by the 'bad guys' constantly.

 

There's a particular phrase that's rather insightful - one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

 

I do totally agree that targeting 'innocents' is no on - EVA!  But I would also suggest that the concept of who is innocent or not can be blurred. You mention Israel and Palestine. The obvious non-innocents are the Israeli government and military, and the various militant groups on the other side of the 'border'. However, is a settler into a region the Israelis have just taken over also innocent? Can there be an innocent Israeli over the age of 18 (when conscription becomes mandatory)?

 

"Blame the west" IS valid when the west is still interfering. You mention the WW! agreement about the post-Ottoman Empire.. but don't mention the gifting of Israel post WWII.

 

So, I need to ask you... what does someone do when those with all the power choose to ignore you completely, and walk all over your 'rights' and 'freedoms'?

 

And, "blame the west" is still valid when it's 'the west' that's still involving itself in the formation of their special chosen government (corrupt, obviously) that seriously disadvantages many of the people (and, arms the local state military against them). AND when 'the west' is arming other militant groups to keep an area destabilised.

 

The CIA created the Taliban to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.. this is known. It's therefore no stretch to consider the CIA central to the instigation of Al Qaeda (whether that was a 'real' organisation without them or not is different question... but curious to note that Al Qaeda didn't exist until the US wanted to get oil sent through their territory... and the Taliban said 'no'!)

 

Same with ISIS (ISIL/IS). Another organisation that didn't exist until recently, when the US felt threatened by Russia's proximity in the Near East (ie, Syria), and all of a sudden, there's a 'civil war'  by various 'rebels' (shown to be either outside militants & mercenaries, or Jihadis who are equal or worse than the current regime). And, Turkey shown to be helping ISIS in selling oil out of Syria...

 

And 'the west' does nothing to actually stop it all from happening!

 

Does all that justify terrorist attacks in cities thousands of miles away? No. But, there is a serious need to understand WHY someone would do that! There's no point trying to fight them - certainly not in the long-term.

 

Some people turn to terrorism. Others don't... why? Can those who do turn be turned back? Is there something that needs to be done to stop people thinking that terrorism is a valid response?

 

Of course - all those questions are completely irrelevant if those people are still being victimised...

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(My) notion 'blame the West' doesn't have anything to do with Chomsky or/and Greenwald. I guess, it is just my normal reasoning.

I had a look at ME (Israel particularly-1989) and after few weeks on Jordanian border gave me an impression 'this all here is made, so people/diff. religions can/will quarrel ... and kill each other'.

At that time, I was like 'bastards, suicide bomb went off, again!' and Israelis were (still are!) 'my people, who deserve some place ....', so let's solve the problem on some different way.

I was there only few months, and thinking about solving disputes in ME watered down by years passing by.

Now (last 10-15 years), I am keep thinking about that just by reasoning.

Their thing is: 'you (West/Israel) have technology and we don't! Our people (Arafats especially) all live in degrading conditions, very similar to nazi system, LTA. 'Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Jordan .... we all have similar problems with West ... and we are poor. So, we throw the stones and you have Uzis/F-16s ... and we have 17 virgins and things in heaven, if we became martyrs ...'

I am C.Darwin guy and I find any religion kind of 'moot', but their thingy should be erased from the human memory, similar as nacizm is/was ...treatment of the women, 17 virgins waiting in heaven and other BS, they preach! It's cave men's thingy!

You won't achieve that with bombs and destruction of their land, but on some other way ... 

Till West won't change their attitude toward Muslins, there will always be virgins waiting for some 'dickless piece of shit', who sacrifice him/herself, by strapping belt with bombs and .....'. We have many suicides in West too, so it isn't such a big deal to end one's life...

Big 'IMO', without looking for some famous writer, who thinks/write about the same. I didn't get 'my opinion' from any books I read. That's what I personally think about ME.

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Great reply Shining.

 

On a couple of the points you raised, I would say that any israeli settler moving into freshly claimed land supported either by religious BS (it's our holy land!) or just opportunism (I can get away with this!) is not an innocent.

 

But as conscription is universal Israeli citizens over 18 are absolutely innocent unless and until they commit some kind of crime. That's how conscription is, Napoleon can come and slap a pair of red trousers on you at the point of a bayonet and march you off to Spain. Is that your fault? Israeli citizens mandatory participation in the military says absolutely nothing about who they are as individuals, their conduct does.

 

Israel is an incredibly thorny issue, I would say that like the post ww1 related issues one has to take a forward looking view of what will ultimately lead to peace instead of assigning blame. The existence of Israel, a militarily formidable state is the reality. Therefore ideas of peace need to reflect the reality that there is a Jewish state there...not for worthiness to occupy that space but for the practical grounds that it isn't going anywhere. The ONLY solution for lasting peace are the different groups learning to live in a multicultural world. Israel needs to cut the shit on tons of different issues but it also involves the various Arab groups accepting the idea of Jews in the holy land.

 

As well, no one is arguing that the state borders were well planned, but what's the forward looking solution? Should the armies of the Entente Cordiale seize the area and forcibly redraw the maps to separate Sunni, Shia and Kurds? Who gets the oases and major cities in a way that doesn't lead to war? Again the only solution is for these groups to get the idea that others can have different ideas and ways of life and still be your neighbors. 

 

Focusing on the blame still denies agency (positive and negative) to the people living in this region. "Well of course those horrid beasts can't get along if the borders don't keep them physically separated!" And it also doesn't provide any framework to move forward. 

 

As my last point, I would leave a cautionary tale for any group who will "round-up" any degree of criticism or oppostion to bigotry, phobia or racism etc. Israel (and especially in it's support within US politics) had long used the defense mechanism of equating reasonable criticism with anti-semitism to shut up people who didn't like the things they were doing. They used it because it works and it's hard not to go overboard when you have a tool like that. And of course as WW2 showed us anti-semitism is all too real and lethal. But people can tell the difference and resent the hell out of being silenced for fear of being called a bigot. So now Israel probably seems worse than it really is. Because for too long they overplayed that hand and now people are wise to it. 

 

There are serious issues in the Arab world and if those issues, when raised, are silenced by fear of being called an Islamophobe than eventually the tide could turn there as well. If it has to be us vs them, then Us needs to be reasonable people regardless of origin and Them needs to be assholes making excuses for violence regardless of origin

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Oh and on the current western military intervention side, that's really tough to know what to do as well.


You could argue that Obama by not immediately rolling in to put a stop to ISIS as it formed WAS trying to disengage a little bit and let the region sort itself out on it's own. You could also argue that it was another example of western capriciousness and lack of concern for muslim lives.

 

Is the west contributing more to violence by acting or by not acting? It's easy to see a problem and start pointing the finger. 

 

It's a shitty situation all around but it's not enough to just wish it wasn't and say mea culpa.

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'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!' --->correct quote! 

 

Did you watch the movie? I can't tell you the name of Mossad's guy/leader, who said that in documentary, 'cause I try to download 'The Gatekeepers', 2013, again. Avi -something, Navy Head!  edit: 'Amihal 'Ami' Ayalon, Head of Shin Bet 1996-2000' used the quote above ....

 

It is a great flick/documentary, which shows inner side of Israel's defence, where many ex-top-Mossad's guys are interviewed/narrate. ... Whole flick is in Hebrew and I am improving my language skill by keep watching/repeating the flick. 'ken' .... means 'yes' in Hebrew, hehe.

more about flick: 'there was an Arafat's guy in WB, who was recruiting suicide bombers and assembled the bombs attached to the belts. He was using fake beard, wigs and things.... When Israelis finally got his location and .... Shin Bet tech guys planted explosive inside the handle of his neighbour's resident phone (by the microphone) .... Ayash rarely used phone.

Then, his father was ill and he (Yahya Ayash) answered the phone. As soon as Shin Bet confirmed Ayash's voice on the call, they remotely detonate the charge .... 'Israelis are different people' ....

They could disable him on '77' different, much simpler ways, but Shin Bet's (Mossad) final choice of how to get him .... is/was 'theatrical' or 'assassination masterpiece ....'

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Fine piece with 'nee Greenwald' mentioned:

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-08/beginning-end-us-empire

 

Authored by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

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Icnif, how is the situation in the middle east similar to Nazi system? Also what do you mean by degrading conditions? I get that they are poorer than Israel but I don't see how that alone is the fault of the west? I call total BS on the nazi comparison and if i'm wrong tell me where the death camps are. But if people find their conditions degrading (and actually want them to improve) they need to first decide what they can do every day to make those conditions better.

 

Yes, their conditions are different but also their behavior is different. UAE is a bigger economy than israel with a higher per capita GDP. Yet Israel is a culturally relevant scientific, medical and technological powerhouse and UAE is famous as a playground for the wealthy and for it's use of slave labor.

 

This is a problem I think a lot of people struggle with these days, Israel does many things wrong, but the focus should also be on what Israelis do right. Why is Israel a nicer place to live than the surrounding countries? Is it ONLY because of their nefarious behavior or do they do things differently in a way that produces a higher quality of life?

 

I'm not a conservative ranting about how poor people only need to pull themselves up, but there's some truth to the idea that different behavior leads to different results. 

 

They can be jealous and resentful all they want and perhaps be justified, but it's not helpful to anyone. Especially not themselves. If people aren't willing to learn what behaviors make Western generally nicer places to live and emulate them there's no hope for them to catch up.

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I meant 'Israel' & 'West Bank' in particularly. I've never been elsewhere in ME, but Jaffa land.

add-it: 'Everything else is similar, but without 'death camps', Soweto-like thingy!' 

Arafats, they live similar to Jews during 2nd WW. Whole West Bank&Gaza is cordoned/walled similar to nazi camps for Jews, Gypsys/Romanians and others. That's why, Arafats dig the tunnels to Egypt ....Comparison of WB to nazi camps is sting to Israel .... 'Apartheid' is maybe more suitable word.

I couldn't enter it for safety reasons, as they said. Once you enter Israel, you'll be treated similar as Israeli, i.e. person from West, i.e. 'you don't know, how is there (WB). We can tell you is no-go land ....'

Israelis aren't proud of that and they won't 'display' it. I see WB-set-up as Israel's only possible defence against the neighbour, who thinks all land was stolen from them .... 

continue: 'Israel is better place to live than most of the other countries around. Land is desert sand (southern half), but they have Jaffa-export-Co. .... in the desert, man! Watering the land, growing anything grows elsewhere, i.e. 'not in desert'. That is pure science&tech!

They are the world's leading researcher/grower of healthy (LOL) weed. 'No-THC-weed' is Israeli 'invention' . They are similar as Dutch with 'taking the land off the sea and growing any colour of tulips ...'

Now, look at the Cali and what is the main problem to grow weed in Napa and around: 'water!'. Weed requires huge amounts of water, which Cali is short off. It grows finely in Israeli desert, i.e. they 'desalinate'.

I read few days ago, they assembled some missile defence system, which blocks/intercepts incoming projectile, logs the spot, where missile came from and send new (Israeli) missile back. 'You shoot at us and you'll be obliterated!' was PM's statement.

Israelis (who live in Israel) aren't regular people (like we are). 'Relentless above any boundaries', I could say! My English is too poor to describe them! They are very different then people we know elsewhere.

I'll always remember Q of the cop at entering Jaffa-land : 'Have you seen/been with your backpack all the time?'

Hitchhiker's back pack .. and sleeping bag, all stinky and what not ...My A: NO, I wasn't!! It smells very bad ...! I hate to be too close ...'

He explained to me then, that if I didn't have my luggage under control all the time, somebody could plant bomb inside, and I carry it without knowing ... year 1989!

How would you feel about any city in the world, where cop would ask you such Q in 90-tis?

There were different times then. World around Israel didn't know anything about bombs, like we know today!

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"There Are Dead People In The Street" - Truck Hits Crowd In Stockholm -"Terror-Attack": Live Feed

"I saw hundreds of people ran, they ran for their lives... saw at least three dead, but there are probably more. It's a complete mess here.."

 

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Let’s launch a bunch of Tomahawks into Stockholm. Them brute Swedes must be punished!  ;-)
 
 
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The Stockholm truck attack suspect appeared in ‘security information’ before – police

The arrested suspect in the Stockholm truck attack comes from Uzbekistan and is 39 years old, investigators said at a press conference. He was described as “a marginal character,” previously named in “security information” but not under any recent investigation.

 

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Few terrorist attacks later, still no conclusions?

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 They can't locate man's FEC .... 

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From memory, Sweden has never been the victim of Islamic terrorists (correct me if I'm wrong) until after they started accepting refugees. This is how they say thank you (it's their culture ).

 

https://gma.yahoo.com/swedish-pm-calls-truck-crash-stockholm-terror-atta...

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wanna see sad?,, don't read if u don't.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/07/europe/westminster-attack-andreea-cris...

 

weird how the scum organisms have chosen to start killing randomly. the people these scum life-forms run down could very well be sympathetic to their 'cause'.  No matter, run down whomever.

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Radical muslins believe 'infidels' shouldn't exist.

 

''Le' me 'remodel' EU ....!"

 Europeans all love hockey ....(see 'knee pads' ..LOL), so they are all ready for 5 times/day bending' ... kind-of ....

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/norways-security-takes-over-explosive-device-...

 

Teen asylum-seeker ID'd as suspect in Norway explosive case JAN M. OLSEN,Associated Press 48 minutes ago

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — A 17-year-old asylum-seeker from Russia was arrested Sunday in connection with an explosive device found near a busy subway station in Norway's capital and defused before it detonated, authorities said.

The youth was detained on suspicion of handling explosives, but investigators do not know if he planned to carry out an attack with the homemade device, Signe Aaling, chief prosecutor for Norway's PST security service, said.

"PST is now working on finding his intentions and find out whether others are involved," Aaling said.

The youth was not identified, but security service head Benedicte Bjornland said intelligence agencies were aware of him. He is an asylum-seeker from Russia who arrived in Norway with his family in 2010, Bjornland said.

Bjornland also alleged that the youth was part of "extreme Islamism" circles in Norway.

"It is likely that that attacks in France, German, Great Britain, Russia and Sweden can create a copycat effect in Norway with people with Islamic sympathies," Bjornland said, listing of the locations of extremist attacks that have devastated Europe in the last year.

The discovery of the explosive Saturday night — found on the street just outside the Groenland subway station — prompted police to evacuate late bars and restaurants in the Norwegian capital.

The Oslo explosive was found less than a mile from the government buildings that were damaged in a deadly bomb attack carried out by right-wing extremist Anders Breivik in 2011. That bomb and a subsequent gun massacre at a Norwegian island killed a total of 77 people.

Norway was put on high alert after neighboring Sweden suffered a truck attack in Stockholm on Friday that killed four people and injured 15.

Norway intelligence agency raised the terror threat in the country on Sunday to "likely" for "a two-month period."

 

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German football team bus rocked by 3 exploding devices.
3 players injured nobody killed this time.
Note we don't know who is responsible yet ....could be (domestic terrorists ) or if it was a road side bomb or on a bomb on the bus.
It might not even be a bomb ..it could be a tragic accident.
Note the above comments about not pointing the finger were designed to make unicorn breeders feel happy. Sorry to those people living in the real world.

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Everyone should just stop using their Note 7's already!!!

 

Seriously, I'm willing to guess.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6961999/asylum-seeker-rapist-admits-sex-attack-hull-cemetery/

 

So he tells the judge "why not" , doesn't everybody do this, we do it in Sudan, we will do it here, who cares?

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What’s this got to do with the original topic? Yes a case of a Sudanese rapist. I find it interesting that the guys who post about migrant/Muslim rapists NEVER post stories of white rapists! 

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An immigrant let into London that should have never been allowed in the country was the point. Immigrants are so peaceful, right, let them all into England. Germany has a few more if you want them. Compare the crime statistics of England and London a decade ago to what it is now, all the local people went crazy or the locals became idiots and let a lot of people who think rape is not big deal into the country. He actually did not understand what he did wrong because women are property and England let a guy with that mindset into the country along with all the sharia law fanatics. England deserves all this shit for being so stupid, after Tommy Robinson, I hope the whole country falls into oblivion. I may be a asshole, but I have no respect for countries that don't protect their women, hide child rape by Pakistanis from the population and cover up this shit. I want even work with British peers anymore on assignments anymore. I hope Pakistan drops a bomb on the island and sends the whole country to hell where it belongs. I never believed one of Americas greatest allies would become a bunch of pansy ass cowards and become speech and thought police. England is dead to me.

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@mace.  I agree with you 100%.   I've said it since I don't know when.  Christianity & Islam are enemies.  Always have been; always will be.

 

Those fools who advocate incorporating the most fundamental of outsiders get exactly what they asked for, perhaps unknowingly, that only lends more credence to my branding them as fools.

 

Did you see the story in New Mexico?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8f24388c-0130-3d6f-8bc8-46a07a389b2b/new-mexico-child-abuse.html

 

They know we are at war. They face it. They accept it. We hide from it and pretend to Smell the Roses.  Wake up people. Wake up.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/400852-west-virginia-house-committee-votes-to-impeach-entire-state-supreme

 

diver dude , did you see this shit both political parties corrupt, all kicked out,

west virginia is a poor state, where in the hell could you find a sofa for 31,000 dollars in west virginia, WTF.

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