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Q: Can a foreigner with a Chinese bachelor's degree get a foreign graduate student scholarship?

I will go back to school next year, but I don't want to study in the USA (or other countries)- I want to study in China. My Chinese is almost at the level that I can major in science or engineering at a Chinese university (HSK 4). I will sit for the level 4 HSK test soon. I looked at the word lists for that test- I can read, write, and speak every word. So passing the test shouldn't be an issue. Furthermore I have also bought maths, physics, and chemistry study guides for Gaokao students so I can learn the subject words necessary for a science student.

 

All of these things are a non-issue for me. What is an issue for me is considering whether or not universities in the western world would accept an American man with a Chinese bachelors degree? I don't want to spend four years studying here, graduate, and then be unable to earn a higher degree.

 

Chinese science students are 'gobbled' up by foreign universities. I don't know if the same would be true of an American with a Chinese bachelor's degree that wants to study a PhD..

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   Actually, only the top Chinese science graduates can be "gobbled" up by foreign universities. They come from the top universities, and they get the highest GPA among the peels.

 

  I was graduated from one of the top traditional chinese medicine universities 4 years ago.I'll give you two examples of foreigner students study for Chinese bachelor degree.

 

  The failed one first: my classmate Kim, from South Korea, applied to attend our class ( local students), but it was very hard for him to catch up with us. In the end,sadly, he didn't make it to graduation and was transferred back to the international students college.

 

 The successful one : An American blonde girl, about 18 years old, she was majored in acupuncture,same like me. She only started learn Chinese a year before university.She studied very hard, always was the first one to rise up ,practice Tai Chi and recite all those ancient Chinese medical books. She applied to live in Chinese students dorm, getting on very well with her 3 Chinese roommates. To my surprise, she always got the NO.1 academic scores in her class ( local students), and she got the top Chinese students scholarship (not international student!) every year! It is a shame to admit that I tried very hard but never got a scholarship all through my uni life....She totally changed our stereotype image of foreign students,who came to China only to get an easy diploma... By the way, she opens her own Acupuncture Clinic in America now.

 

  I don't know why you want to study in China, our uni education system sucks. If you are seeking for cheap tuition and easy diploma from a famous university, then no problem, you'll get what you want.

  But if you are seriously seeking for academic growth, please don't try Chinese universities, it's only a waste of time.

Robk:

I have to agree with Julie, not based on experience of studying in China myself but based on the skills of the university students I have hired. 

 

When I started up a design firm, all of the staff I hired had degrees from some fairly good to top universities in that area here in China. Unfortunately, their skill level was barely at a high school level back in Canada. It did not work out and I had to close shop and move the operation totally online.

 

I would suggest looking into schools situated in Hong Kong, Singapore, and possibly the Philippines (some good ones, cheap and accepted back in North America).  

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   Actually, only the top Chinese science graduates can be "gobbled" up by foreign universities. They come from the top universities, and they get the highest GPA among the peels.

 

  I was graduated from one of the top traditional chinese medicine universities 4 years ago.I'll give you two examples of foreigner students study for Chinese bachelor degree.

 

  The failed one first: my classmate Kim, from South Korea, applied to attend our class ( local students), but it was very hard for him to catch up with us. In the end,sadly, he didn't make it to graduation and was transferred back to the international students college.

 

 The successful one : An American blonde girl, about 18 years old, she was majored in acupuncture,same like me. She only started learn Chinese a year before university.She studied very hard, always was the first one to rise up ,practice Tai Chi and recite all those ancient Chinese medical books. She applied to live in Chinese students dorm, getting on very well with her 3 Chinese roommates. To my surprise, she always got the NO.1 academic scores in her class ( local students), and she got the top Chinese students scholarship (not international student!) every year! It is a shame to admit that I tried very hard but never got a scholarship all through my uni life....She totally changed our stereotype image of foreign students,who came to China only to get an easy diploma... By the way, she opens her own Acupuncture Clinic in America now.

 

  I don't know why you want to study in China, our uni education system sucks. If you are seeking for cheap tuition and easy diploma from a famous university, then no problem, you'll get what you want.

  But if you are seriously seeking for academic growth, please don't try Chinese universities, it's only a waste of time.

Robk:

I have to agree with Julie, not based on experience of studying in China myself but based on the skills of the university students I have hired. 

 

When I started up a design firm, all of the staff I hired had degrees from some fairly good to top universities in that area here in China. Unfortunately, their skill level was barely at a high school level back in Canada. It did not work out and I had to close shop and move the operation totally online.

 

I would suggest looking into schools situated in Hong Kong, Singapore, and possibly the Philippines (some good ones, cheap and accepted back in North America).  

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I did extensive study on this. I thought about doing an MBBS in China and working in America. It's doable provided I pass the medical exams in America (forgot what they're called), but it's 5 years at a shitty Chinese university wherein everyone cheats.

 

Then I just decided to study language instead. And then I got married and had a kid, so I decided to just make a career out of computer programming instead. I took a look at the time requirements and said, "ain't nobody got time for that!" Raising a family became more important.

 

In the end, I decided to finish college in the U.S. Like you, I didn't want to study anywhere except China. I was on a China-kick, and enjoyed spending time there. But in the long run, I knew it would hurt me. Most universities in the U.S. do not accept a Chinese degree because they're well-aware of the cheating. I knew that, and still wanted to study there, but having a family was the last straw.

 

Unfortunately you usually have to start over. Even my Chinese friends who went to graduate school had to start over. Ultimately, this is up to the schools. You need to get a list of courses and all of the information provided, and ask the school if they'll accept a degree from a Chinese university. MOST WONT.

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I did my master's in China, and honestly, if you can, don't do your Bachelor in mainland China. While I did economics and not STEM, the academic level was surprisingly low, and from a pure educational stand point I'd probably have a better education if I'd gone to one of the Uni's that accepted me "back west".

 

Unless you really want to work and live in China for the foreseeable future, don't study in China.

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Look at it from an employer's perspective.

 

Unless your degree is DIRECTLY related to China - Chinese business, language, International trade w Chinese, politics, history, etc... I'd be looking at you askew wondering why you'd go to China instead of doing it in your home country...

 

Firstly, the US is known for having adequate tertiary education - albeit quite expensive. So, in that vein, why do it in China when there are other countries you could have gone to.

 

Secondly, Chinese education is famed the world over for being based on plagiarism and cheating.. and having low academic credibility.

 

So, come interview time, you can expect this as your first question off the bat (if you get to the interview stage) - "Why did you get your degree in China instead of the US?"

 

Second question (Most likely) "Where's this university? - I've never heard of it".

 

Your decision.

 

 

(slightly related - I was thinking of studying in the Czech Republic - they have free tertiary education for all courses in the Czech language... including the 5-year masters of Interpreting and Translating... do a short course in Czech, then start up on learning the language as a degree course... FREE! In one of the best cities in the world! but expensive :(  )

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Chinese science students are 'gobbled' up by foreign universities

 

That's not because of the Chinese education system, it's because the very good Chinese students are very easy to attract and keep. They have to choose between an environment that will praise them, pay them well, give them freedoms they can only dream about, and give them a comfortable life... or China. Ok, they will miss the parents, the food and some feelings, but in general the choice is easily done.

I've been working in a top tiers public Chinese university, and I sponsored some students to study abroad. Those students were really good *despite* the education system, not *because* of it, head and shoulders above most of their comrades. Hoping to be sponsored once in China is a very risky, untested approach. The sponsorship is based on personal knowledge of the students, not their diplomas or grades.

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There are only a few majors where a bachelor's degree from a Chinese university would be useful back in the West.  That is for those studying the Chinese language and those doing some form of Chinese medicine.  So if you really want to stay here and study pick one of those 2.  The situation might be a little different if you wanted to do a master's or phd. 

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