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Q: Can I teach English in China if I am black?

Serious question here. I was really excited to come to China and teach English. I have read on here as well as other websites is that the main requirement is that you be from an English Speaking country and that you also be White. I've looked at a lot of schools and their respective Facebook pages and I haven't seen a single teacher of any shade of color. Now, of course I'm sure this is to stick attract Chinese parents as I have heard that most cannot fathom someone who is not Caucasian, speaking native English. This was told to me by an American HR manager for a school in China, after I responded to his email that he accidentally sent to me. He meant to forward it to another colleague and stated: "He is fully qualified to teach. I am shocked that he is of course black. Should we give them a chance or should I make up an excuse?"

 

So my question is: I am a young Latino/Black male, American born and raised, with a college degree in English, 160 hours of TESOL certification, and 4.5 years of private tutoring experience with ages range from 5-45. I also worked for a college for 2 years tutoring students on college entrance exams, course tests, Anatomy/Physiology, English, etc., and assisted with curriculum development for all of our degree programs. With all of my experience and qualifications, are my chances for finding a good job teaching English in China extremely limited due to the fact that I am not Caucasian? Is this how it is in every country or just China?

 

Thank you for any insight you may be able to provide on this matter.

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Come on yo,lets face the facts and call a spade what it is.If you are in China then you know what I'm talking about.Physical appearance plays a major role in what you get here especially when the white skin is missing.

I'm just being honest with him.

If he is confident,has a good personality and attractive then skin color wont really be a problem,but if those qualities are missing, your race will be the order of the day.

I presently head a school with 10 foreign teachers,mostly Caucasians ,but I'm as dark as you can call it.

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Sure, but find a job, get a contract and proper visa before you come. Then you have the power, once you get here you loose your trump cards. And please teach them some ghetto English. Good luck. Did you see the movie ''White Chicks''?

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where's crimo, he should have some advice?

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I was thinking the same thing , or he could come to Australia and teach here , but he would have to learn to spell COLOUR properly

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It's how we keep the Americans from owning us, they can't read our Canadanlish. I always tell the American cops I didn't know ''Stop'' meant ''stop'', the words means different in our language, dummies, it works everytime.

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Yes, those were my thoughts as well. I do not want to head over there unless I have a job already lined up. Why would I teach them my students ghetto English? lol. No,  I have not seen "White Chicks," should I watch this before venturing to China?

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Im sorry to tell you that the opportunity's are limited by the naivety of the Chinese in general and that goes for other Asian countries also. My wife hired a gentleman from Cameroon when she owned a school in the NTH East  , she felt cheated because she thought he was from Canada angry But on the Bright side there are a couple of your countrymen here with similar heritage and they seem to do very well in China . All the best  and good luck  (don't give up

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Wear a diamond studded glove on one hand in the classroom, shout out eeee heeeee and grab your crotch every 10 minutes. They will love it!

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I am a white African and whenever I apply for teaching jobs the first thing they ask me to do is send a photo of myself. I'm not an idiot, they're obviously checking what colour my skin is. I also often have to explain to them that English is my native language. I think you can make it work but probably only at reputable institutions like Berlitz or maybe Disney. If you go to smaller schools they'll be far more ignorant and just say no because you're black. Your experience is really impressive though.

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If you're currently in China, and available immediately,  send me a PM. I may be able to help.

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good on you    , glad this page has done what it is suppose to do

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Hi Sino!

 

Thank you for offering your help, however I am currently in Los Angeles, and I won't be available until the end of January. I will PM you anyway though laugh

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Center your job search to the Public Schools. They are in need (of FT), and they're less picky in that matter.

However, 'looking for job' (and finding it) is very personal experience, so I am just 'guessing...'

 

Schools in China are very picky, butt......'FTs demand in China is huge'. Native English FT of Asian descent (qualified, too!) have problems to find job in China.

 

Never stop sending your CV, and 'good luck'.

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why not?although majority of english teachers here are caucasian ,i mean there wont be much problem to work here since you got lots of relevant teaching experience,besides,you are from english speaking countries(native speaker),those are what really matters,arent they?
actually one of my former classmate's teacher is black skinned.he teach in senior secondary school and very popular with students.so i believe if you really like teaching here,you should not give up.
just remember that you shouldnot have strong accent when speaking english.
i hopeyou follow your dreams and good luck .Smile

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I think you should look at applying directly to middle schools in Xinjiang Province.

 

Be very surprised if you didn't have an array of jobs to choose from.

 

Good food in Xinjiang.

 

icnif77:

My Fukang 'carry' at least 2 FT Middle School's positions with 'all (visa, apartment) included', to be filled ASAP. 

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The matter will turn on the issue of the passport.  If you are a United States citizen, with a United States passport in hand, for many, many schools, that will trump the issue of race.  The chances for a (black) African on an African passport really grow slimmer by the day.  The chances for a (black-or-Latino) United States citizen with United States passport, and an educational background such as yours are probably 50% in Beijing, Shanghai, and Guanghzou, and 80% elsewhere in the country.

 

As I looked over your background stats, the fly-in-ointment, at least in my opinion, will not be the racial composition but rather the lack of two years of real classroom experience.  Many, many of the local FEB's are getting tough with that issue.

 

Personally, I think that you have a really good chance.  Don't be discouraged.

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Thank you Belle! That was very insightful. Yes, I also thought that the lack of 2 years of classroom experience would be a partial issue. Which is why I wanted to hopefully find a good school in South East China, like Fuzhou for instance, and hold a position for at least 2 years and by then I will have completed my Master's as well as acquired the 2 years of experience.

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I was offered a job this morning by a UK based recruiting company with offices in China. They sent me the contact and it's with a middle high school in Hubei Province at 5000 RMB a month with accommodation and all utilities included for 22 hours a week. Does anyone have any experience working in this province? is 5000 RMB sufficient? Their original posting stating 8000 RMB a month. What do you all think?

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If you live the local way, you'll be fine with 5000 RMB. You might be able to save most of it every month, if you don't travel and don't go to fancy bars/clubs. As you might have seen it, life in the provinces is really cheap. Imported stuffs are not. However, you might feel it's too little money for all what you have to stomach, China is a harsh place. If it's for a short stint (one year and then back home) and get to know China, good enough. If it's more serious, I would say too little for the pain.

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It's too little for 22 hrs of teaching.  Are you sure they're not including some 'office hours'?

Find out if you can reduce the hours to around 16/18 and then supplement your salary with some private classes, organised at your convenience...probably on the w/end.

 

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Thank you both for your insight. The contract did not state anything about office hours so I am not sure if the 22 hours is including them or not. Their original posting said 8000 RMB to right now attempting to negotiate higher.

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School must pay share of the teacher's salary to the Agency!

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Ya, you can definitely live off 5000 but 8000 would be much better, obviosuly, but that would mean you can save some of it. You can live very comfortably off 4 or 5000 but then you wouldn't be saving much. Although you did say you were doing it for the experience. But it's always nice to go on a little trip somewhere after you're done with the money you've saved. 

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If you can, at all costs, avoid agencies. Try going direct to the source. Try Dave's ESL cafe for job listings. I never worked via an agency but Ive heard...things...about them. So if you can help it, avoid agencies. I dont know about Hubei, but in my old province, Jilin, you can live quite nicely on 5k-8k a month, but that can vary from province to province. Also, youll want to know for that salary if the 22 hours are teaching hours and thats it or do you need to do office hours, do they offer insurance (some do, some dont) and do they provide a PAID visa and expert certificate and will they get your passport back to you BEFORE you start work. Also, youll want to know if the apartment is your own or is it shared (unless you dont mind roommates)

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Hello there, 

 

I do not currently teach in China (except for the off-hand time) as I currently run a business and make 60-100k RMB per month. I am not saying this to boast but to let you know that when I was a teacher making 5-6k RMB, I could basically live the same lifestyle. 

 

Watch the "extra hours" with promos or office hours... English corners etc. It also depends on location... if it is a 4th or 5th Tier city... your income is equal to that of a manager. You will make enough to travel and eat well. I buy lots of "luxury items" like burgers once in a while or wine-coolers but never spend more than 3k RMB per month. 

 

Try to negotiate it up to 6 or 7k... they are trying to get you at a lower price (for whatever reason). They will take you for 6k guaranteed....

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You can, I've done it. It wont be easy to find a job but you will be able to find one. The school I taught at had people from different backgrounds there, me (black), a Latino American and a Indian guy from England and it was one of the biggest schools in the city.

 

That being said, it will NOT be easy. Most will see your photo and just move on or give you some half assed excuse, but once youre in the door, at one school if you plan on staying for a while, make sure you get in good with the Chinese teachers, bosses and staff at your school. This way, most of the time if you want to change schools or if parents have a problem with you, you'll have a few 'connections' and usually they will stand up for you. Its happened a few times in my case, but usually the parents had no problems with me. With the smaller kids, the parents were happy because I actually taught things and not just screwed around playing games and singing songs (in my classes, we had SCHOOL, not 'super happy, game, look at the foreigner jump in circles time' lol) and the older kids (taught in public high school for a while as well) were happy because they were 'expecting' one thing to walk in the classroom door and got something completely different..also, at the time, I didnt 'look' the part of the stereotypical foreign english teacher in my manner of dress or 'out of class' speaking and whatnot, so they were really happy about that as well. I cant tell you how many times parents would come up to me and invite me to their homes for meals and ask if I was available for private one to one tutoring sessions (the answer to that, if youre on a school visa is always 'NO', people do it anyway, but the line you give is 'I cant' until youve been  there a while, then its whatever as long as you dont get caught lol), come to me with their personal problems (high school and college students, not parents lol) and ask me about all kinds of random english/american questions they said they didnt think they could ask other teachers. I think the age and how I carried myself had more to do with that than the race thing, however, i dont know.

 

The old saying about having to be 'at least twice as good to get half the recognition' is definitely true but, really, that only lasts about 6 months to a year. If you do a good job and the kids are actually learning something (read: while 'other' teachers might be able to get away with the whole 'just jump around and scream and sing songs and play games but not one kid can speak a word of english when class is over' thing and everyone's happy but YOU CANNOT. you have to actually teach, period.) Basically, its really just do the job they pay you for. Show the parents and the school that they made a good choice in hiring you. Dont go around getting drunk, showing up for work late, not teaching (read: handing out worksheets and then playing games on your phone, which some teachers actually DID, etc) and doing nothing but games and songs in your classes and treat the Chinese staff with respect and courtesy (basically, like you'd want to be treated) and things will be good for you all around.

royceH:

Goodonyer mate.  No rolling around on the floor with a pair of fake glasses and a red nose in my classes either.

If they can't reply properly to a few basic questions after you've given them the drill...jump out the window!

 

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Thank you Scin383!

 

That was very helpful. I was hoping that this would be the case as I have no problem proving myself and working hard, as I already do that with any new job I get. I was just a little taken aback by the overt rejection I was getting. I had a Skype interview with this one recruiter a few days ago and we had talked on the phone and email for a few days and she was really excited. Let me tell you how when we did our video chat and she saw me for the first time..she was utterly shocked. She kept her head down the majority of our interview to hide her, from what I assume to be, shock and embarrassment. Then she gave me a BS excuse the next day for not hiring me saying it's because I was too young. I'm 23, and the minimum age requirement for their school is 24. She knew I was available to come to China in February, and that I would be 24 in January. Like i said..BS. lol

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Yes. Send me a message. I'll get you a job earning 7500 RMB per month with a provided apartment and with utilities. Many other black people have taught at this school before, though most of them came from South Africa. Many black teachers have worked in this city without a problem. With your credentials, you'll have no trouble landing a job.

 

There are two schools in the city who would take you. In fact, you could probably work at both and make almost double the income, but that's like 25 hours of work per week. Let me know.

 

You'll need to pay for your own plane ticket, but you'll have a legit Z visa before you even enter China. It will be mailed to you in 'murica. If you have any issues with the school in question, you can let me know. Cost of living is stupidly cheap as well. You can live off less than 1k RMB per month. I'll be back sometime tomorrow (busy now), so I can't look today.

Bravelife:

Live less than 1000rmb?Hell so cheap

If I can live by that cost but earn my higher Shanghai salary,I can save lots.

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Hey Im a black American as well....private message me and I will give you the low down. I have basically your same credentials except the Masters....5000 yuan these days you cant live off...hulk and sinobear(no offense) its a bit foul what kind of jobs and how much you are offering.

As an American do not accept anything below 10k a month....Thats how much white folks are making if not more. In Shanghai if you are white one can make upwards of 30k a month teaching. This is for tutoring....but the Chinese wont allow black folks to tutor because they feel like they are being cheated....(read my articles...I have won twice already in the daily competitions held here)

I have stopped working as a teacher in Shanghai and other places in China....been doing it for 8 years...there is no reward for this job....Because of the constant racism and inefficiency of the education system here. There was no sense of worth or accomplishment. My suggestion to you is to bypass this part of your life experience and go somehwere else like maybe Japan, where you are a little bit more appreciated. Do not waste your time as a black person in China. You will not like it. They may like you more in the smaller provences but compared to white folks you will be alone more than 80% of the time...mostly contributing to the color of your skin.

You will be liked some of the time....hated most of the time....

You have been warned.

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You're a bit off. I lived handsomely off 7000 in a tier 3 city. 8 RMB for a taxi from one end of the city to the next. I had enough for everything, especially with the apartment and utilities.

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@hulk I hear you man....but is it worth it? 8000 yuan in a seedy part of China where most people are ignorant. No can do....especially(dont like bringing color into it but...) especially for a. black dude trying to find his worth in the world. I would do it for 16k after tax in shandong...but not for 8k...you have to have something to pad your ego...especially when all the jeering...pointing and laughing comes your way....if I was white 10k would be suffie. enough....just call that extra 4~8k hater insurance.

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Hi guys , please do not mislead this young man, as black in china it's worthless ,I think with a master degree he's better off in the states than a teaching career in china.

am also black , I teach but it's very frustrating ,you can't develop yourself as an educated black here because the system and the mentality is so limited because a Russian or French Caucasian without any degree or diploma whose english isnt good will be preferred to you and given a better salary.

if you come you can always have a job for sure but I think you are too young to waste such precious time of yours.

WanderingTeacher:

Ok. I appreciate your point of view. Tell me, if you were just starting out teaching English as a foreign language, what other country would you consider applying in, to get your feet wet and get some experience under your belt? Besides the history and cultural experience to be gained, the only other reason I was considering China is for the simple fact that the country is huge, has a lot of schools, and are desperate for English teachers. I figured China would be a semi easy market to get into, so I can gather the necessary years of experience I need to be able to apply for positions in more difficult countries such as Saudi Arabia, and Western Europe.

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Listen to this man. Im not trying to be a stick in the mud....you asked and you are being told by two black men that your time is better spent elsewhere. Take the advice dude. Go to Japan...a better experience by a slighty more open and much more clean culture. Western Europe no way...Arabia....mmmm I woukd say Japan or Thailand are your best bets....There is still racism but much more open than the Chinese and Koreans.

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Agree with you.Why should come for a lower salary?

I got lower degree but I am extremely beautiful,so I got paid higher than most ppl.

lol...Just joking

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Anyway if you got that fighting spirit you can make, it's better to come here on your own then start looking for a job, can come as a language student later you can grab some part time jobs, if you're lucking enough ,you could be earning something like 10.000rmb each month or more.

Rest assure its a good place for an adventurer, you can never be without a job if you insist on coming,

since you insist take the chance ,  life's awesome here sometimes .

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Hey bro,

I'm a black guy from Cameroon,legally teaching here for close to 7years now.Forget all this internet noise,it mostly depends on how good looking you are regardless of colour.

Here true Chinese will quickly fall for the white skin at first sight but personal character goes a long way to keep that attraction coming.Once you are a good looking black guy with some gentle manliness ,bro u are set..

The students,parents and not to mention the hotties will go crazy for you...

Ask the white guys if I'm lying

 

so my advise,give it a shot

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How good looking you are? which makes it even worse....dude what are you preaching man? Hes not here to get laid he is here to gain working experience. Anyone can get laid here dude thats not the point....And it is about race and color....Dont mislead him man.

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Come on yo,lets face the facts and call a spade what it is.If you are in China then you know what I'm talking about.Physical appearance plays a major role in what you get here especially when the white skin is missing.

I'm just being honest with him.

If he is confident,has a good personality and attractive then skin color wont really be a problem,but if those qualities are missing, your race will be the order of the day.

I presently head a school with 10 foreign teachers,mostly Caucasians ,but I'm as dark as you can call it.

So...

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He's right. 

 

I am a white handsome guy and people treat me like a king. Looks go a long way if you want to be a pawn, but brains go a long way if you want to be a king. If you got both, you will always win in life. 

 

If you got only one, make the best with what you got. Chinese people are racist, but they are changing... I guess the experience depends mostly on your perspective. DonMAC has the right attitude... shit will hold you down if you let it. 

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hello everyone, i am looking for a teaching job in China, it's my passion. I have some experience and TEFL cert. with a unique grade 'A'. Can someone give me a help/assistance or tips how to get efl job? I am polish guy from Central Europe. Thank in advance!

mArtiAn:

  There's loads of work for you mate, just google, you'll find work quicker than asking on here. Seeing as English is your second language you'll probably have trouble landing high paying jobs but if you have university qualifications, who knows? Just look, look, look around and ask here for advice on finding the right position, there's always someone willing to help.

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Look on the top R of this page, and click 'Classifieds'. There's some 250 new English teaching job offers daily. Make ready your CV, and email it away. Good luck!

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yes i have bachelor's degree in chemical technology engineering field, thanks again for advices

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most likely you will end up in a shitty paid edu center job...

not worth. get a job in your field or study education in europe and get a real teacher job which is much more satisfying and the payment is way higher

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  I've got a black mate been working here for over seven years. You're right what you say about people thinking stupid in terms of the colour of your skin being a factor in your ability to teach, but there is work there. My advice is to try everywhere, even the places you don't expect to find work.

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@Donmac

From your name I surmise that you are some sort of player....a label black folks dont need in china. And when you talk about good looking...do you mean a black face with white features? a A roman nose...thin lips ect....or resembling an NBA player?

When you are dark skinned you will be judged based on that...You can hand me this story that you must have this unique attitude nonesense...Im sure you are an exception to the rule. I can hand you hundreds of numbers where people wont accept you just based on the color of your skin...nomatter if you have the personality and own a school...

Listen I used to work for Microsoft and things were going great for me. Finally thought I was on the right path...then when it comes time for renewing my residence permit the government says give my job to a local....eventhough a big part of my job was language and cultural understanding....now Microsoft has a just graduated local teaching soft skills and language to others who have the same ability as her. She got the jobs because shes good looking...I got the job because of my knowledge and experience but lost it partly because of color...some chinese paper pusher sees a black dude making it and has the power over his success and failure and chooses to be a dick head.(Even a black person can be more successful than me). So to push the sword further into my heart I was granted a 2 year resident permit...but Im not allowed to work on it...As an American losing the freedom to persue a dream put me off to China.

Truly successful black folks in China like yourself Don Mac are outliers...the four leaf clovers in a field of three leaf clovers...you might have just the right abilities that they need and the attitude(however slightly uncle thomish) but this is not a commen occurance. Im not saying a black person cannot be successful....you can if your company sent you here...but starting from the bottom with a dream with be 3x hard for you than whites and Chinese...and whites have a hard time seeing success as well.

I do know another African who owned a school and he was from Nigeria. Had white teachers too. Took great pride in that...The novelty wore off and now his school has closed because of lack of students.

My advice to this wanderer, though I doubt he will take it, is to go elsewhere...Why do you need to work 3 times as hard to becone 1x as successful? Its hard putting on that facade everyday and it turns one into a socialpath. China is changing but it hasnt changed enough...not only to blacks but to everyone in general. But I am sure he is the type that has to experience it first...just like me.

WanderingTeacher:

Thanks Chamaflauge. I sent you a PM by the way. The more and more I read about China and hear these stories I can't help be come up with this judgments in my head that it's mostly dirty, filthy, spit-ridden, and smog infested full of narrowed minded people. I had already concluded that I would be cooking my food 99.99% of the time after I read that nasty gutter oil article. At this point, I'm going to start looking elsewhere. There is this school in Fuzhou that I interviewed for last week that I'm crossing my fingers for. If I get that job, then I'll go, if not go to Thailand and spend the next year eating some good Pad Thai. A school in Italy contacted me today, but I'm not quite sure if I want to go to Europe just quite yet. We shall see i suppose.

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@don mac

a spade a spade? your race?

yo?

Are you really black dude? I doubt it.

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If your heart is set on China, don't let go of it, send your CV to every school going, and you'll get a job somewhere. You may even get a very good job  However, my advice perhaps, try somewhere else..Japan, Thailand, Vietnam or Italy as you mentioned.  I think wherever you go, you will have a plethora of experience to take back to America with you.  It absolutely churns me up knowing how racist the Chinese can be, and how much they pin on looks (this could not be truer). If I were you, don't give them the satisfaction of coming over here and working 3x as hard for the recognition of someone white who may do a half assed attempt.  Go somewhere where you feel the need to prove yourself as a teacher..not as a black teacher. 

Either way good luck!

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