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Q: Is China actually just generally a sh*t place to work?
I work in a south EA country, not China -- although I have done so. Not a single person I've met who has ever worked there has anything positive to say about business practices, employment conditions, quality of life or overall happiness. Why bother even trying unless you are a complete sinophile or connected by dint of marriage/family?
Frankly, China is a crap country to be in as a foreigner and they don't want you anyway. What's the point?
11 years 31 weeks ago in Business & Jobs - China
Everywhere you go, you take the weather with you. Crap song, but it's true.
yes to some extent for foreigner i think its not a long term place to stay like eurpoean countries or America. at the end they offer you their green card and even make you their own citizens. how logic they are in this approach. in china much of the success in companies or acquiring some post or position that all under the table... or atleast you have to give a big dinner party. there is no meritocracy in it and many of asian countries are included in it the list is very long.
China is in learning process and having a great potential for the future growth in terms of business and human resources.
What was UK and USA before nothing the people were there was also primitive, I don’t want to go deeper in argument but the bottom line is China is a great country, just give them time to learn because there is always a first time.
and remember even for cheating you need a brain to copy .
Well, I came to China expecting poor business practices, and poor employment conditions. And also poor quality of life only in regards to food, noise, pollution, etc. But I amstill happy here, I only have a few days every month where I am upset about something.
I came here for certain reasons, and China suits me just fine. I believe I get the most out of it, and think of myself to be a positive visitor to the people.
However, I do strongly agree that if you are not happy here, then don't be here, as there are many other options most of us have.
Not really, no. there are good days and bad. There are cultural things I love and those I dont. But, for the most part I am happy here. If not, I would have left long ago.
No idea, but you've got me convinced. You should leave.
MissA:
And 'you should leave' is the best insult you could come up with for a guy who doesn't live in China any more? I'm sure he'll cry all night...
mArtiAn:
Oh yeh, you're right, he said it in the first sentence. hehehehe. Oh well, it was still a bollocks post. Shit place to live. Nobody wants you there. What a load of tosh. I think it's a lovely place to live, full of lovely people, just like your wonderful, beautiful self, Missa. Can't abide these people who got nothing better to do than look for the blues in everything. Really don't know why I keep coming back to this site, there's so much shit thrown at this country on it. I don't know why, it's just a place like anywhere else.
Your from Oz, right? I've been to Sydney, and I can honestly say that given the choice I would rather be there than here, it is a fine place. But it's still just a place. I'm a firm believer in people. Wherever you go, you can find the best in them. Here I have not found myself wanting for kindness, it is abundent. As for all the shit about politics and freedom, well yeh, who can ignore it? But then I also believe that we in the west (can't really talk for Oz here though, I don't know enough about it) live in an 'illusion' of democracy. I don't buy it. Yeh, it's nice that I can sing some dumb song and trash the president or prime minister if I want, but to what end? Those that rule do so in just as forthright, sturdy and unquestionable a manner as they do here for what I can see, it's just different tactics.
I ain't made no friends on this site, 'cause I ain't jumping on the 'common enemy collective' that pervades upon this site; China being the enemy. I just don't see it that way. Right or wrong, I don't. I ain't selling nothing, just being myself. I think the east and the west have 'just' as much to offer each other.
Man, i'm talking a lot. Sorry. Bit drunk.
Yo, peace out, Missa! Big up yo'self!
(Jeez, I can't even get away with speaking black in type. How white am I?)
AYOYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! HA!
MissA:
I don't live in China any more. Hustled out in a mad panic a few months ago and am much happier for having done so.
As far as your central and oft-mentioned thesis that China's really just exactly the same, qualitatively, as everywhere else, I used to think that all people in all countries were really just the same, it's just that some of us were luckier than others. China is the only place I've been where the people feel so completely other to me that I could not adjust and feel comfortable.
I appreciate my home country more than ever since having lived in China. I do not believe that the freedoms we enjoy at home are shallow or pointless, or in and way illusory and not worth bothering over. A lot of us are lazy, but 'lazy' and 'disenfranchised' are not the same thing. Flat out, I simply can not agree with you on much at all.
mArtiAn:
Well you're from Oz, right? Maybe that truly is the place to be. God knows but personally when I think about democracy I think about the states, and anyone who tells me that a place where Reagan could have held power (you could see the strings!), or where two members of the same family of oil tycoons could hold power for so long, is blind. Anyone who does get in and rocks the boat gets offed. It's rigged. And yours and my country are sideliners to the big game being played by the states. We're just there for back-up. The USA pulls off a fake terrorist attack and we back their play. It's gay. And if you didn't relax in China, you'd have gotten a negative response in return. It's self-fulfilling.
China is ok .....not the best just ok and yes you ned to leave china
my life is ok here. because i can accomplish my goals
Yep. Especially if you are Chinese, in which case you are 29 millimeters higher than a common slave. Chinese fear their employers and can never say "No" to daily "requests" to work 2-3 hours of overtime.
I agree that for the most part, China is all those things for most people. But there another thing to keep in mind: Most foreigners have one or two legs up on the local Chinese here. We can use our brains. We can be creative. We can make opportunities where they see none. It is an exciting journey for some of us. No, I don't work here and don't need to. But I see a thousand ways to get along here If I had the notion. The Chinese are programmed. We are programmers. That makes all the difference. That being said, I could never work for an employer here unless it was run by a Western corporation. It's just too corrupt for my taste.
Yes, but the flip side is that if you own your own business with employees you are the master of your universe! Chinese workers are treated only a little better than slaves here.
giadrosich:
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Everywhere you go, you take the weather with you. Crap song, but it's true.
Depends what work you do. My work in China is good, so I'll stay for now.
