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Q: Is China starting to get unsafe?
Well maybe not too unsafe but this happened 2 days ago.... I don't usually go to bars. But I decided to go with some Cinese and western friends. Wen to the bar with my American friend getting a small drink. And some chinese guys asked us to drink with them. We informed our friends went to drink with them or whatever. After two cups, they wanted us to smoke with them. My American friend doesn't smoke nor do I so we said nah. Then he was persisting. Basically he tried to force it onto us. So our friends came. And the chinese people in our group backed them saying they were just being nice and try new things in china. To which all of our western friends left because it was getting intense. But like wtf, is this that typical? I hope we didn't look like girls by leaving there were 4 of us. But I feel like we did the right thing....not smoking for anything. But I feel like the average chinese citizen is just becoming more aggressive in everyway.
10 years 35 weeks ago in Health & Safety - China
i always go for personal safety first. What do i care what other people think? If other people want to behave like jerks, that is their problem.
i always go for personal safety first. What do i care what other people think? If other people want to behave like jerks, that is their problem.
Chinese can be relentless in their hospitality when they decided to be so, I wouldn't worry about it.
It's like a tunnel vision with everything they do. They get an idea in their head, and that idea must be carried through to its conclusion.
There can be no deviating from the original idea, and no variation is possible. No alternatives are possible. The thought that the idea might be wrong is not possible. One must persevere with the idea at all costs. Force the other person to submit.
The micro example here is smoking. The macro examples are things like the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution and industrialisation. It is endemic throughout Chinese society.
DumpsterDiver:
Bro they were like pushing the cig and sht lol. I'm 22. Now in the states I'd be like back the hell up. But here, you have to be humble etc. also I don't frequent bars so obviously my lack of bar culture is lacking. But if I told the dude back the hell off. His buddies would have jumped up. Then escalation would follow. Then we would be on the front page of echinacities lol
You did the right thing in denying the cigarette and leaving. Don't get into peer pressure. And the thing about it was they weren't even your friends, instead they were strangers in the night strangers in the night watch out for those strangers in the night.
I don't think exuberant *ss-holes with cigarrettes are proof China is becoming unsafe - they're just *ssholes. It's the random stabbings at shopping centers that have me thinking it's becoming unsafe here.
I wouldn't read this as a dangerous situation. Sound less dangerous than crossing the street
OMG, you were almost force to smoke a cigarette. You are lucky to get out without loosing any organs. Were this guys wearing black leather and driving scooters?
if you stay, tell them you father died of cancer from cigarettes if they are sober enough to understand,
in a bar always sit with your back to the wall and notice anything you can use as a weapon, is the chair not to heavy, table, bottles, etc. because one on these neanderthals may hit a lady in the bar and then most western men will bring down the thunder and all hell breaks lose.
How is that story unsafe? how long have you been in China? It is quite the norm to get invited to tables to drink with people and all most social occasions will almost be always offered a cigarette by someone. Chinese people will seem pushy to offer you drinks or gigs but its not meant as aggression. Its culture for people to offer a cig and probably quite rude if you turn it down. You can get away with it by just letting it burn down and do the occasional puff and not inhale, carry your own cigs and offer them one instead or simply put it down by your drink to save for later.
DumpsterDiver:
I didn't post the full details but basically he was trying to force the cigarette into his mouth. You can brush it into oh that's hospitality but he was pushing him against the table basically saying just try. Now. How is it unsafe? Table of dudes. Force sht into laowai's mouth. Now maybe you would try but I'd get pissed and be like wtf. Then his friends jump up because foreigner is getting angry. Get it?
steve0sha:
guess you not explain that well and you have to be there to know the situation but your Chinese friends thought it was a misunderstanding. No me i would not let anyone touch me. But this is still one incident where people being drinking and i still wouldn't generalize as China being unsafe
where do you live?I suggest you to go to dongbei...usually people there at midnight, when drunk can become real gentleman
If those were pretty girls back there inviting you to drink with them would you still feel unsafe? Doubt it..
Kaiwen:
It depends whether it was a tea room that they wanted to invite me to.
