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Q: Chinese Govt. protest against the Dala Lama?
I just read in Aussie paper that Pres. Obama has ignored the strong protests from BJ, and met with the Dala Lama, also voicing his strong support for Tibetans & their culture.
I have noted in the past that BJ has done the same thing to Aust. Govt. and said not to see or entertain the DL. Some Govt. leaders have demurred to their 'request' others have not. Alot due to the economic clout of China.
My point is that the DL may be seen as a 'criminal' in Chinese eyes, but not to the rest of the world !
As much as BJ hates other countries for interfering in their internal politics, aren't they basically doing the same thing??
They have often warned other countries about possible repercussions if the DL is greeted.
Is that not interfering in other countrie's politics??
Also, I was pleasantly surprised that Obama is sticking up for himself....... In his early Presidency, he would defer to China, to maintain good relations, But it seems he has a change of attitude, what that augurs for the future..?
It is OK for China to interfere in other countries internal affairs, the other way around it's not.
If you cannot have rule of law, at least you can pretend to be run by kindergartners.
China is testing the limits and Obama is setting them. If the limit feels loose, then they'll push it a little further, then a little further, etc. If the limit is firm, they'll just wait and try again.
That's how they see diplomacy. Ever sat next to a Chinese in a bus, or just been in a situation where you need to defend your little personal space like in a crowded place? If yes, you'll understand, the mechanics are exactly the same.
Robk:
It's true, most Chinese won't just take the inch you give them... they will scream, claw and go into a complete frantic retardation mode even if it JUST for that little extra millimeter.
More civilized persons realize that millimeter isn't worth trading your soul or dignity but... from my experience in China... there's not a plenty of those here.
I understand it's difficult for French nationals to get a visa for China. Something to do with a similar meeting.
But let's think about it for a moment. a certain guy was chosen as a leader because the previous boss told some monks where to find his reincarnated soul after his death.
Fast forward to the real world, and we have democratically elected leaders in the west falling over themselves to sit and chat with this most undemocratically chosen leader. Meanwhile, the western press praise the president for making a stand against non democratic China.
Anyone else spot the irony?
icnif77:
Apparently, White House issued statement 'USA doesn't support edit: Tibet's autonomy, because Tibet is part of China' from news on English CCTV.
O. & Lama met without press and photos.
ScotsAlan:
Says a lot about US foreign policy when they can't even get the name of the country right ffs.
Unless you are talking in code of course 
ScotsAlan:
You should have left it as it was. It was funny. easy mistake to make. Confusing Tibet with Nepal.
icnif77:
I was waiting for the same report comes again on CCTV. Then, I read your post and replied.
Hotwater:
"Fast forward to the real world, and we have democratically elected leaders in the west falling over themselves to sit and chat with this most undemocratically chosen leader. Meanwhile, the western press praise the president for making a stand against non democratic China.".......so Xi Jinping was elected democratically? as in "one man one vote?
ScotsAlan:
One person one vote..... yes.
Just not many people had a vote.
It's an autocratic system. Greece is run by autocrats too, because the politicians were useless.
I have an open mind regarding what system is best. But the "leader decided by ghosts" comes low in my thinking of what the best system is.
Visco8:
Yeh! Apparently (a few years ago) a French city made the DL an Honoury Citizen. BJ was obviously appalled.
Here in Qingdao, the local govt. in protest, and I wish I was making this up, moved the many bus stops directly in front of Carrefour (French owned) a further 50 mtrs down the road. True!
I suppose in their peanut minds they thought less people would shop there cos of the 'long' walk..the terrible inconvenience. God knows. After a couple of months they moved them back again.
Talk about kindergarders! And these peanuts are getting paid (well, sorry....receive) a heap of money to think of these brilliant ideas.
God help China.
wagon:
@Visco
While I wouldn't put that sort of pettiness past the government, I think they moved the bus stop because of the metro construction. Why would the other two Carrefour's have bus stops directly in front of them? Why not move them all? If you have some citation I'd love to read it.
Visco8:
Wagon ~ this was years ago, well before the Metro was even designed.
I'm talking about the main Carrefour in the city, don't know about the others..
And its a fact, cos I was on one of those buses. Very petty..
I just answered this in quite some detail and then it disappeared before I could press send. Ya gotta hate that.
But what you said...
DL, number one!
Great topic, Visco8. There are a number of things I’d like to say.
1. When my sister was about 12 she had really bitchy friends who were always trying to exclude each other from the group and getting mad because someone talked to the wrong person. They acted like that because they were 12-year-old girls. Xi Jinping: Please grow up. You don't get to decide who Obama talks to.
According to the Chinese Foreign Ministry: "If the US president wishes to meet any person, it's his own affair, but he cannot meet the Dalai Lama." What an amazingly arrogant and self-contradictory statement.
2. In my experience, anyone who is honest / morally upright is not opposed to the free exchange of information (e.g. other people having conversations). That's because they have nothing to fear from elucidation or understanding. What are you so afraid of, China?
3. No one would care about the Dalai Lama if the Communist Party hadn’t made him into an icon by being colossal, mass-murdering, history-denying assholes. When you kill and enslave a neighbouring population, call it “liberation”, send tens of thousands of soldiers to brutally suppress dissent, and get super mad at the rest of the world for noticing, people are going to side with the other guy. The Dalai Lama used to be a religious leader of questionable credentials. Now the Dalai Lama is the symbolic enemy of cultural genocide (people tend to respect that).
4. I'm delighted that people are finally getting tired of the "China is outraged" thing, and are starting to call them on it. Obama’s appropriately indifferent response to China’s “serious condemnation” has made China look like the giant cry-baby it is.
Obama / Lama: 1 Xi: 0
I met the Dalai Lama twice. He's a really cool dude and I have a lot of respect for him. Thich Nhat Hanh, on the other hand, is the most amazing being I have ever met! I wonder if these two have ever sat down with each other.
The CCP is the biggest collection of crybabies that this world has ever seen. Oh boo hoo, someone is meeting with someone who hurt our feelings.
Is this question related with (do-you-think-we-are-being-monitored-site?)?
Visco8:
No not at all. Just a different question that I was interested in.
