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Q: Could Occupy Wall Street ever happen in China?
Would it ever happen in china?
occupy wall street has to do with getting the govt to do it's job not trying to overthrow the govt.
sth similiar happened in china where students and teachers collectively went to the local govt office and asked that they close down a factory that was polluting the air and water , and to my surprise it worked the govt agreed to oblige them. but they were very respectful and knelt down in front of the office. i hope that sort of thing catches on here.
I doubt it would ever happen on the scale it's happening in America. But my students are very interested about it and always come to me for the latest news. Maybe I'm fomenting a rebellion?????
Yes, but...
Isn't that what happened in T-square many years ago? And look what happened?
But, yes, I do believe it is quite possible - especially as in some instances, the law enforcement personnel would actually agree with what was being protested about. If it's something like food safety, I don't think the police are going to kick people out when it's their food that has the problem.
OTOH, if those same law enforcement officers are being paid on the side by, say, a petrochemical plant - then they're not likely to side with the environmentalists too much...
I saw some things on Facebook about people trying to organize such an event in Shanghai about a week ago. I don't know anything else about it. Did it happen? Was it stopped? Who knows?
I have to agree with Shining Brow, if it happenned in China it would be T square all over again!
CrimoCHina, you think Occupy is about getting the US government to do its job? Occupy is all aboutthe left wing using useful tools, young spoiled kids protesting corporate America, with the I phones etc. made by corp America. How ironic is that?
The only winners in the Occupy movement are the Kids parents, who got those bong hitting, lazy, no working college students out of thier basements, out of their refigerators and into someone elses space.
As a Veteran of Protests 40 years ago, maybe getting the crap kicked out of them by the police will be an epiphany and a maturing moment.
crimochina:
it isnt dem vs rep. the media is trying to turn it into that in order to divide and conquer the movement. micheal moore didnt start it he tried to jump out in front of it. the movement is fed up w/ both dems and rep. finally americans seem to be waking up and realizing that we have been played by both parties. listen to what they are asking for, it is not a political movement led by the dems or libs
beaufortninja:
gunny, you obviously have no idea what the Occupy movement is about. You just parroted back every Fox News piece on the movement. And as most educated people know, Fox News hasn't been a legit news source for the last 10 years. They're protesting corporatism. That means that a few mega corporations control the government. Apple (referring to you're droll iPhone comment) doesn't donate to political campaigns while JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America managed to lobby millions of dollars for to the trillion dollar bailouts, which was money that belonged to the American taxpayer. You're a smart guy so please act like it.
WOW. \o/ for the informed. Did you lose touch whilst in China? OWS isn't about a bunch of spoiled kids.
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OK.. now that the phone is unattached from my ear, the dog is off my lap, and the bird is off my other shoulder, let me rewrite this.
OWS is NOT about spoiled rich kids getting off their "bong-hitting" asses and occupying someone else's space.
It is about the bailing out of American big banks using American tax dollars, and the CEOs and other big whigs still getting their full salaries and bonuses amounting to millions. It's about these banks wanting to charge their customers for everything, from ridiculous monthly fees for the "priveledge of having an account," to using their ATM cards (which the banks started pushing hard about 6 years ago so they could cut teller and customer service jobs). It's about our tax dollars going to these money-grubbing asses to save them from bankruptcy. I'm not positive, but I have not heard of any of them even offering to begin paying the gov't back, unlike the automakers in the same situation a few years ago.
In the meantime, unemployment is at an unreasonable high. People are loosing their homes because they can't pay their mortgages. College students, after being told their entire lives that college was the right thing to do, are graduating with several thousands of dollars in student loan debt, and can't find a job to pay their loans that they were pretty much forced into so they could go to college and be self sufficeint. There is no bailout for the homeowners. There is no bailout for the graduates. We're stuck in this vicious circle. And the big bailed-out banks are to blame.
On some level, Crimo is right. The gov't keeps promising to help with job-creation, but so far, they've failed.
It's a very sad time for America's financial situation. But to think it's about a bunch of lazy kids... that's even sadder.
Surely you have access to something more meaningful than the National Enquirer over there.
Old_Gunslinger:
It got cold and all them Occupy Protestors went back to occupying their parents basements. I guess thats real commitment for you! Heh, heh!
If the 1.4 million dollars donated to Ai Weiwei (the Chinese artist who, because of his speaking out against the chinese gov't, is being charged with tax evasion) is any indication, the Chinese people are waking up. Several thousands of Chinese citizens have sent him "what they could" because they believe in Ai's voice. Some have considered it their "vote" against the government.
Change doesn't happen over night, but it does seem that perhaps it's on the horizon.
The answer is NOT possible for the time being...
simple explaination: What for?....we are "sleep" very well at night
more xplaination:
1 we dont feel we are 99% yet (ppl complain all the time for all different things, still the unsatisfied rate isnt up to do something)
2 China economy is so much better than most of countries now, why do we need to do something to ruin it?
Huapanda, person I wish you stop mention something/somebody YOU ARE NOT THERE, not WITNESS, YOU ARE NOT in the history of CHINA. there are always (let me guess) >10%ppl doing something overly, it doesnt mean they will got support from other >80% Chinese....CLEAR?....Hujingtao is not Jiangzheming, is not Dengxiaopin, is not..xxxx...China still got "huge""piles" problems it's obviouse, it doesnt mean they dont wanna solve it in "30""modern"years. This is a "huge" country, not "Obama"etc are SMARTER can run it better and culture defects has a "huge" influence on ppl.
Don't think any of your "westerner" mind is capable to understand China fully...
Above is my obervation, not my defence for any shit government..
ndc1988:
it won't happen in China because here rich people are feared and authoritarianism reigns. Ask a Chinese why they don't protest and they just say 没办法,中国就这个样子. Localla I may only have an outsider's perspective of Chinese culture but to say a Westerner can "never fully understand China" is a popular defense mechanism used by Chinese people when they have no way of making something sound rational to a foreigner...I know that because my boss said the same thing to me the other day.
Localla:
frankly, Ndc1988...I'm quite fed up with topic like this one from western ppl. Yes for Chinese not well educated ppl they like to simply answer a "complicated" question to one sentence like your said. But it doesnt mean them and well-educated Chinese dont say and do something to make our life better, to just help ourselves. China is a nation we dont need speak too much but give you a bad look, they know their problems.... If you Chinese is good enough, try to read Yahoo China, and Xinhua(if you can distinct the real things well and fake things well). There are good articals for you to read...Frankly I read (or dont read) English ariticals more... This topic is an endless topic.....Time can prove things....
Shining_brow:
I actually agree (again... OMG) with Localla! Yes,just because a few people gave to Ai Weiwei, doesn't mean such a movement is on the horizon. Especially with a change of leadership going on - when there are far more clamp-downs going on (will be more coming, I bet... I mean "too much entertainment on television"???) Also, as Loco said, while people are relatively happy (certainly in China, much happier than they've been in a long time - with their economy booming (even if it does mean debt), education, transport, communication, etc etc), then the people aren't likely to jump on a bandwagon and perhaps spoil it all. If such a thing did happen, it would be about basics - food safety, working safety, social equality. NOT about how bad the government has acted, or money to the big people (cos, as someone said, they're too scared to face them). BTW, the Occupy Movement didn't start in the US, and is now all over the world (according to Wiki, in 92 countries!) If, and it's a big IF, those movements have some major impact on the governments, and lots of positives come from it, then yes, I can see it happening here. But until then - no. (also, people here in China would need to be aware of it...I'm not sure that too many are.)
