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Q: Cultural diversity. Minority rights. I eat dogs in your country, you respect that, OK?

Minority rights, favorite of leftists (correct me if I am wrong, I believe you call them leftists),says you must respect those rights.

 

Dalu mainlanders emigate to your country, buy dog, kill dog, cook dog in their home. Claim protection under cultural diversity and minority rights protection. You can't deny that dog eating is part of traditional chinese culture, very popular in Guangxi region.

 

As title question asks, is that OK? If not, what's wrong here?

 

(This is related to Muslims in Europe, in particular the new refugees, addressing cultural differences,and the consequences of some of the leftists' blind support under the universal love & tolerance umbrella)

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Australian government tightens up citizenship rules .
ABOUT BLÒODY TIME TOO
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/turnbull-government-to-overh...

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That is really not tightening up but it is a small step in the right direction. More is need like set quotas let's say there were 100 kids born total immigrant quota should be 20. Now I understand not counting spouses or family towards that quota

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So, can single (no wife) still immigrate ? If not, I'll might swim to NZ .....surprise 

 

'I am an excellent swimmer ....'

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I just unsubbed from GetUp over the latest campaign against Turnbull's antics.

 

I would need more information on the actual questions etc to be introduced, but I don't see a great problem with it .. however, asking if applicants can beat their wives has just excluded women from being citizens... (cos we don't yet have gay marriage... and only men would have wives, and thus, only men can be applicants!)

 

I'm not sure if this idea will really make that much difference...

 

(for any who may think I'm being hypocritical here, but how I see this is that (for example) Muslims can come from Syria, open a Syrian restaurant, go to Mosque and do their prayers, even send their kids to a Muslim school... as long as they've learned English, and their menu is open to ALL people (not segregated), with menus in English (can be bi-lingual!), with English speaking staff! I have no problems with all food being Halal, and no pork... it is, after all, still Muslim! And, this would be what it means to be an Australian Muslim)

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Turncoat is only putting on a show to counter the raise of Pauline Hanson. You could tell he didn't buy anything he said....just going through the motions to hold on to a few votes to keep his job.. He will shit himself if the sheila in France gets in lol

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Leftist are nazis

Englteachted:

Statements like this prove that all ideologues (left/right) are simple minded buffoons. How about presenting an intelligent argument.

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On this website? What's the point?

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Lmao...I wish I had thought of this one.
Well done.

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Maybe I was wrong about you lol

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I'm going to bite...what cultural differences do "Muslims" bring to your country that you think leftists pander to?

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Halal labeling? (Even on Easter eggs)

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Letting them take time out of their work to go pray 5 times a day.Changing our policies to address their bullshit hijab. ect ect....

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And then there are the face coverings in places where you can't wear a full face helmet.

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Refusing to stand for a magistrate or the country they live in national anthem.

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Halal labeling in chocolate Easter eggs? A marketing thing, same as declaring something is Kosher or vegetarian. 

 

Refusing to stand for a national anthem? Or a magistrate? I know lots of others who won't do that. 

 

The full body coverings do concern me but not a great deal. Full fave coverings should have to be removed to identify people for things like passport or other identification checks. 

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How about forced marriage or female genital mutilation? How about every time people bring up theses subjects they are shouted down or verbally abused and in some cases physically assulted by supporters of this so called peaceful religion?

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Phil, I totally disagree with both forced marriage and FGM but lets get something straight here. I don't know about Australia but in the UK both of those are illegal and are NOT pandered to.Neither are people shouted down who protest against them. The UK does take steps to stop both issues. Some of the strongest voices against them in the Uk are assimilated Muslims from the worst countries that practice this. These activists strive to stop these practices.

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While it may be illegal it is still a cultural practice that is common in both our countries. As in line with the OP's original line of inquiry. We have had royal commissions into the Catholic and Christian Churches yet any call for one into Islam regarding these subjects falls upon deaf ears .Does that seem fair?

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Just back on the Halal thing. In Muslim countries the certificate is issued by a government body. Yet in Australia it is issued by a conglomerate who get all the money. Some would argue it is a Muslim tax on food

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"We have had royal commissions into the Catholic and Christian Churches yet any call for one into Islam regarding these subjects falls upon deaf ears .Does that seem fair?"

 

Fair???

 

How many decades did it take to get those to happen??? And after how many abuse allegations and media reports??

 

Is it fair? Hell no!

 

How many cases of (alleged) abuses in Islam in Australia? I don't know... but I'm sure if it was similar to the rates for the Catholic church, then I can fully understand outrage!

 

 

RE: Halal. There is, logically, no reason why our government couldn't form a body to regulate the Halal industry and labeling... except, of course, for the masses of complaints that would suddenly come pouring in about 'pandering' to a violent religion... which so reeks of hypocrisy!

 

Also, there is nothing requiring something to be labeled as 'halal.... and, frankly, I don't really see that it seriously needs to be, given the incredibly small section of the community that would be currently affected by it (and wouldn't be able to source their meats from a Halal-friendly site). As Hots said, it's purely a marketing gig - although, correct food labeling is just plain sensible!*

 

(note, Halal labelled foods are ONLY going to have that label IF they are, indeed, Halal. There is ZERO requirement to label something as Halal - or NOT - if it's not! So, it's just something marketed towards a particular community. There is NO 'pandering' going on. And, therefore, if Muslims want to have Halal, then they are the ones who get to complain about the labeling)

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So you don't think Muslims are treated differently because of their culture?

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Different to whom?

 

Are Muslims 'different'? Yes, in some specific ways. And in general, not.

 

Do we have laws etc that dictate Christian values? Or are they religious values?

 

The whole 'burkini' debacle was absolute CRAP! We Aussies, value freedom... and yet, when a Muslim woman wants to wear a burkini (basically, a wetsuit) to the beach, she gets hammered on (in social media) because of it... why isn't she FREE to wear what she chooses???? (and, free to adopt a religion that has that dictate?)

 

If it's not illegal, and it's not adversely affecting other people (directly, and their freedoms, not their sensibilities or ego), then it's fine!

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And your views about not standing for a magistrate or the countries national anthem?

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Phil, re FGM and forced marriages. Yes they do happen in the UK and when/if the authorities find out then the people involved are prosecuted. Same as happen with any criminal actions carried out by people irrespective of race or religion.

 

Standing for National anthems. I don't do it myself!

 

Standing for magistrates? I wouldn't know...never been in front of one so don't know what happens.

 

Can you give any specific cases of either of the above not being done by people? Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Christians, etc. The majority of the issues you're raising here are not specific to Muslims. There's also your "cultural" issues. Muslims are not one "culture". They might share the same religion but Muslims come from lots of different cultures.

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No worries mate. There have been a few cases of late regarding respect in the courts. Ill post some links over the next day or so. The same for the forced marriage of a 14 yrs old girl. Case mysteriously was withdrawn .ill that one too

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http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/watch/%e2%80%98tinny-terrorist%e2%80%99-supporters-refuse-to-stand-for-magistrate/vi-BBte9ha

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http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/05/muslim-defendant-refuses-to-stand-for-sydney-lady-magistrate-deal-made-so-he-doesnt-have-to.html

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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-23/forced-child-marriage-continuing-in-australia:-report/5613700

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Sorry for taking so long. ..forgot all about this. This is only a very small part of what is on the news sites pertaining to these subjects

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"And your views about not standing for a magistrate or the countries national anthem?"

 

I, personally, am ambivalent about those 2 things (but that would be a reflection of a certain level of anarchism in my personality).

 

As to the first - it's a throwback. Why do people stand for the magistrate? What's the actual reason?? To 'show respect'? To whom? Or what?? Is it not possible to show respect in other ways? Why does it REALLY matter???

 

Standing for the national anthem.... again, similar idea.... Do you stand when you hear the Chinese national anthem when here?

 

What about at the Olympics - should EVERYONE stand up every time there's a gold medal ceremony???

 

And, let's face it Phil, lots (majority?) of natural born Aussies don't even bother standing for the anthem these days - unless it's a special ceremony. Not that we're not patriotic or proud, just that we show it differently...

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philbravery:

I guess times have changed ....people don't even unite under a country's flag or values anymore. Its all about what is in it for me. Shit we are becoming Chinese .

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I think people - at least in certain countries - have seen what nationalism can do. Funnily enough, like in China, NK, the US, etc... wars, hate, racism.

 

Let's face it - our concept of 'values' has been changing.. and will constantly change over time, as we come more and more in contact with other cultures. and peoples.

 

I remember my grandmother complaining about boongs, and nips. I recall in school wogs and dagos. And, of course, the whole idea that women should remain at home.

 

Let's face it Phil, our country was extremely racist 40 years ago! Even the idea of eating non "Australian' (aka, British) food was off-putting to some people...

 

This thread started with the question about eating dog, and would that be ok.. (I wrote a post about it, but it vanished :( ). 40 years ago, we'd be disgusted with the idea of eating raw fish... now sushi is everywhere! You can find chicken's feet in Chinese restaurants. Sea cucumbers... snails... and a whole stack of other things that we'd never even consider a few decades ago! We even have an export market for kangaroo meat, there is culling and eating of horse and brumby meat (http://www.australianhorserescue.com/news/resources/horse-slaughter-in-australia-horse-meat-abattoirs-knackeries-wastage-and-related-issues/ - note the export to countries such as France, Luxembourg and Belgium!).

 

As humans get away from standing up for the flag or national anthem, we're realising that other people in the world actually also have a right to their cultures... and maybe, just maybe, it's ok if we take on some of those 'values' as well!

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So you want to throw away our culture

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chiner made me wanna be a vegetableatarian ~

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philbravery:

Did Trumps comments about a terrorist attack in Sweden jix them or a premonition?

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Yet another one, see my comment below.

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Yeah ...your comments seem to be blank. Or do you Chinese sence of direction?

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Trump commented on the attacks in Sweden before there were attacks

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Egypt twin bombings, April 10, 2017

 

Cathedral bombed, ceremonial day, celebrating Jesus coming into town.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/familiees-gather-after-egypt-church-attack-state-of-emergency-approved/ar-BBzAqSh?li=BBnb7Kz

 

Not just Eygpt, every church worldwide from now on is a possible target. 

 

Please don't visit those websites with videos capturing the gruelsome events. They are initially released by the terrorists involved. Each clicking of those videos help them get what they want, attention, thus encourages them further their activities.

 

If you find the above makes sense, please also advise people you know not to do that too. 

Englteachted:

I really don't count that because it's like having a picnic next to a lions den. That is their country and that's their culture, What they do in their country is their business.

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The source of pressure comes from Syria, i.e. according to the article. In my opinion, whether home grown or 'imported', as long as its nature is terrorism we address it as it is, terrorism.

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Who the fuck cares about buying alcohol in a Muslim country? That is their law in their country and harmless, hurts fucking no one. You're comparing it to eating dogs?

If a Muslim came to  my home and refused alcohol, no fucking problem! But in a Nanninger came to my home and brought a dish of dog, I'll tell the asshole to get the hell out. Not every  cultural practice is welcome / acceptable in a new country.

The OP is not saying fucking cultural practice is unwelcome. Some fit nicely, some don't exactly fit but are not offensive (wearing veils) some are offensive (forced arranged marriages) other are out right dangerous like wanting to kill people for silly reasons!!!!!!!!!

If you are so simpleminded that you can't discern 1 from the other then you are not qualified for this discussion.

 

 

look at this: http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9034

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On another slide, a character named Alejandro schedules a 9:00 a.m. meeting between two groups of foreign professors and students. The first group arrived fifteen minutes early, while the second arrived ten minutes late. According to the answers, it is wrong for Alejandro to “politely ask the second group to apologize,” or explain that “in our country, 9:00 a.m. means 9:00 a.m.”

Rather, the slide says that Alejandro should “recognize cultural differences that may impact the meeting and adjust accordingly,” and understand “that his cultural perspective regarding time is neither more nor less valid than any other.”

 

bending our cultural norms to fit people who chose to come here is fucking ridiculous!! Sth so basic as not arriving late is in debate?

 

 

 

Shining_brow:

And yet, here you are in China, bitching and complaining (and posting) about things that constantly happen in China, and without trying to become fluent in Chinese...

 

So - as I wrote above... it seems very much to me that this 'argument' is all about 'tolerating' what you like, and having a good bitch about what you don't. Having the cake and eating it too....

 

(now, I for one have a particular attitude towards that, which is obviously more open than yours, but less than the 'opinion' that you've expressed and quoted. And that is, there are, indeed, things that are offensive - but they're offensive to 'human rights'. -FGM is one example, is obviously a no-no. You have a problem with people eating dog.. I don't (I DO have a problem with how the animal is sourced and killed!!!) After all, in my country, we eat a LOT of different animals.... pigs, cows, sheep, chickens, ducks... deer, kangaroos, buffalo, crocodile, emu, horse... dogs are just another selection that's currently unpopular)

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Shining: "And yet, here you are in China, bitching and complaining (and posting) about things that constantly happen in China, and without trying to become fluent in Chinese..."

 

That's his problem, and not relevant to the topic of respecting others' cultural norms. It's not China's job to make life easier for him. It's his job to adapt to China. 

 

If eating dogs is illegal, then don't eat dogs. Since we're in China, we must tolerate them eating dogs if they choose. If we don't like eating dogs then we don't have to eat dog. If we don't like the way things are in China then we can leave. Likewise if Muslims don't like the fact we eat pork or drink alcohol then they can leave or adapt. We can respect their beliefs as long as it doesn't harm anyone and doesn't break any laws in place. Therefore, it's not a crime for them to have their own shops that don't serve pork or alcohol since it's not illegal and harms no one. 

 

 

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Hi2u - you're actually off topic. The argument is whether we should accept other cultural norms in our own (presumably different) countries. (while ignoring the fact that for most of us, our countries are BASED ON different cultural norms, all integrated over time.

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No Shining you're wrong, you're purposefully overly simplifying the topic. We're talking about accepting other cultural norms that are deemed seriously offensive and even illegal. Speak the full truth!!

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Shining_brow:

No Engles... I'm responding to the question as asked.

 

If youi want it to be about something that is 'seriously offensive and even illegal', then why not ask specifically about that,?

 

You, and Earthi presume that eating dog is 'seriously offensive'... and, oh noes, it's not to everyone!

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@shining   You don't find dog eating offensive and not everyone does. Your home country is Australia, can you say, generally speaking, Australians don't find dog eating offensive, ie they are like you, in this regard? 

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@Englted  Quite a few leftists are fanatical with their favourite subjects such as minority rights and defending the poor as if they saints. Yet, where are they when it comes to North Korea, where the vast majority of North Koreans are living in hunger, oppressed?  Where are they?

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Backtracking now, Earthi???

 

You asked the question - and didn't get the answer you wanted... sucks for you! Now, what was your point again????

 

@Engles.... I'm right here... doing what I can in my own small way. What are YOU doing to keep your values instilled on your culture?

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@shining  I stated your position so there was no mistake. You framed me as backtracking and said that was not the answer I wanted. That was how low you were. 

 

You were the one sidestepping all along, and you did it again, where was your answer to my question, do Australians, generally speaking, don't find dog eating offensive, ie like you?

 

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New question - "answer to my question, do Australians, generally speaking, don't find dog eating offensive, ie like you?"

 

Original question - "As title question asks, is that OK? If not, what's wrong here?""

 

Ummm... looks a LOT like your original question is somewhat different to what you're asking now....

 

Now, to be totally clear, yes it's "OK", and there's nothing actually 'wrong' there (within limits I've mentioned previously)..

 

You posted a question on a forum of individuals, and asked for our opinion... you got one you don't like, so you moved the goalposts.

 

BUT not everyone in Australia has this concept of 'tolerance' and will make mountains out of molehills, believe that what they think is 'right' is the only way, and unwilling to accept change. They don't see nuances where they obviously exist (even when those nuances are HUGE - like, when 99% of a people believe A, and 1% believe B... but the ignorant Aussies accept that 100% of the people believe B because it makes the news much more often).

 

I'm going to shock you now...

 

MASS HORDES OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE SAME THING DO NOT MAKE THEM RIGHT!

 

As has been researched and documented for a LONG time, mob mentality is a really really bad thing.

 

And, referring specifically to Australia, you REALLY need to take a good look at our political landscape at the moment... we are MUCH more progressive than Murikans! Yes, there are rednecks, intolerant and racist people who would just love for a all-white Australia... but the outpouring against them is pretty big!

 

If you did ask this question to the 24 million Australians, you just may get one hell of a shock at the responses! (how about in Sweden - do you think they would have an outcrying? Or, are they more accepting??)

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Shining you're a shining example of a man imprisoned by his ideology, you sound brainwashed because you refuse to see reality.

 

Me complaining about my negative experiences or poking fun at the aspects of Chinese society that I find silly are completely unrelated to the topic because I'm not trying to push against China's cultural traditions or force China to adopt to me. I'm not posing a threat to any individual because they refuse to accept my way. I'm not throwing aspects of my culture that offends Chinese in their face. 

The topic at hand is sb from an outside culture looking to impose their belief on others , when it runs in direct conflict with that country's culture. Or insisting on practicing a cultural habit despite the fact that it maybe illegal or extremely offensive, as in the OP's example. You seem to be purposefully over simplifying things in order to hide behind your ideology. We're talking about aspects that may be extremely offensive, not trivial aspects. In  order to protect your ideology you are ignoring a basic truth, this is not a black/ white issue there are areas of grey, degrees!

Let's say a Chinese guy comes to America and decides to live in a Christian town where all the stores choose not to sell booze on Sunday. But he opens a shop that sells booze on Sundays. No big deal, even though it rubs against the local culture it hurts fucking no one. And they can simply choose to boycott.  But in America the lives of dogs have value almost equal to that of people! So eating a dog in America is deeply offensive because it is seen as killing . Can you see the difference? Me complaining about being harassed is the same as the dog eating thing in your mind? If that Chinese guy would go online and poke fun at Americans for caring about dogs with other Chinese expats, you'll see that as the same actually eating a dog?

You seem also to be attacking others views but offering no counter view. Let me ask you this how would you feel if a muslim familysent their kids to a school in Australia and then demanded that the school stop serving pork?

How would you feel is a swedish guy set up a dolphin restaurant in Australia (assuming Aussies feel the same about dolphins as Americans do)

Better question do you think they should be allowed to do this?

 

 

 

 

Shining_brow:

Ok, just quickly... you somehow choose to think that killing and eating dog in the US is somehow a worse crime than eating beef in India (which I used in my original example)... WOW!!! Either you're completely ignorant of the Hindu beliefs, or you have a serious superiority complex! (note, even though that would be extremely culturally offensive, you can still do it... tolerance is an amazing thing... if you try it!

 

Next - you're changing your goal posts! In the OP, the issue was doing something - in their own backyard/home - that the local culture might not like. You're now changing that to forcing the local culture to adopt a stance that directly impacts the local community... which, exactly, do you want???

 

And, NO - saying "we want you to accept that we do X" is NOT the same as forcing someone to completely change their ways (eg, banning pork from a school canteen).

 

You are right in one aspect - it's not a black and white thing... and I've been hinting at this in my previous posts... which seems to be what is pissing you off... you want a simple black and white 'yes or no' response.

 

Or is it just that I don't agree with you that you're having a huge problem with? I wrote above - no, i do not have a problem with Chinese eating dog in Australia! (as long as relevant health and safety regulations, and 'property' rights are respected).

 

And, given the HUGE number of dogs (and other animals) that just get dumped, mistreated, maimed, killed, etc, and end up in RSPCA shelters to live behind cages, I really don't have a problem with it! It might even be a sane way to deal with the over-crowding in those animal shelters!

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Everyone knows eating beef is serious in India, moreso than dogs in America. Same principle applies. If I go to India, i'm not eating BEEF!

 

If an indian comes to America don't demand a school stops serving beef

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And yet... Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others of different religions can still get beef in India....

 

Which country is more tolerant? India or America?

 

AND... as for your last point... that's NOT what the OP started with.... It may have been the intention, but hey, that's what happens when you try to use assumptions, innuendo, and non-sequiturs...

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Again you're twisting facts!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not everyone in India is Hindu, eating beef is only banned in some areas. Shining, if you got to be dishonest in order to support your ideology maybe you are on the wrong side.  

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http://www.ibtimes.com/wheres-beef-india-believe-it-or-not-1258469

https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/4787/can-i-eat-a-beef-burger-in-india

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I literally LOL'ed at your 2nd last post, about "not everyone" and only in some areas"...

 

Me? Dishonest??? Not even remotely close, as anyone can read.

 

And, you know, pot/kettle... this whole thread is about 'not everyone' and 'only in some areas'... or, in fact, NOT AT ALL!!!!

 

The OP comes up with a hypothetical situation, asks for opinions (which I gave, and you don't like!)... and I make relevant and real comparisons... and now you say I'm being 'dishonest''..... that's just hilarious!

 

(ps - your link didn't open on mine, so I have no idea what it's supposed to say. Since I presume it was about how you can't eat beef in India, I did a search and found...

 

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/beef-madhya-pradesh-video-cow-vigilantes-gau-rakshaks-2938751/  (note - direct from an INDIAN website!)

 

I also found a lnk that suggested that it was now banned in ALL of India, but my link post-dates that one (2015 talks of bans, 2016 discusses where it's legal)

 

Also, just for clarification... https://scroll.in/article/833825/a-note-for-venkaiah-naidu-nowhere-in-the-indian-constitution-is-eating-beef-forbidden (again, note the date - about 2 weeks ago!!!)

 

 

Given the intent of this whole thread, it should be noted that Hindus have been beating, torturing, (allegedly) raping and even killing people (usually Muslims) who have killed or eaten beef.... so, looks like it's not just Muslims who are fanatics prone to violence...!

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Oh, and... "So eating a dog in America is deeply offensive because it is seen as killing"

 

My bad... I forgot that America now dictates all of the world's cultural norms, and therefore my answer needs to conform to those....  /s

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Are you purposefully being dense? No one said America is applying this worldwide, this is for America, 

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@Englteached  'Shining you're a shining example of a man imprisoned by his ideology, you sound brainwashed because you refuse to see reality.'

 

 

Yup. This one is brainwashed, argues irrationally, resorting to framing, sidestepping issues (as in my case).  This is exactly the wumao zombie style of arguing, virtually the same school.....Something happened to him. The old Communist Party of Australia (CPA), founded in 1920, was dissolved in 1991 but there is another Communist Party of Australia, currently......

 

If you read this article, I believe you will find the source of brainwashing with 'shining', and see the script he uses. The Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist) unequivocally condemns the US imperialist bombing of Syria’s al-Shayrat airbase.http://cpaml.org/posting1.php?id=445

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"Are you purposefully being dense? No one said America is applying this worldwide, this is for America,"

 

So.... the OP posts a question on a forum that has people from ALL OVER THE WORLD (well, ok, only a couple of countries), and expects EVERYONE to respond the same way... and now, you and he get narky because you don't get the responses you want.....

 

It would have been hilarious if we had a whole stack of people from countries where eating dog was normal, who would make this joke really funny!

 

If you want to start up an argument with an analogy (or even a valid example of your main point), it's probably a really good idea if it's something that everyone will agree with or understand!

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Are you two having a good wankfest there??

 

Unable to make a convincing argument to support your agenda, you drop to ad hominem, accusations of poor argumentation (while completely unable to acknowledge your own), and now the idea that having principles might actually be something good to have. (Just curious - why am I blinded by my ideology, but you are not?)

 

Since I presume you're trying to argue why our white westernised countries shouldn't allow Islam to exist in our countries (and if anyone wants to convert, then they should just go back to the M-E), you should have at least tried to use a rational line of argument and analogy (or, much better, a valid example... you know, like earlier in the post - FGM! Forced Marriages!! The right for the male to slap his women for stepping out of line (this last actually was in the news in Australia just the other day)).

 

@Earthi... FWIW, (very little, I suspect, because you've already suggested I'm insane for not accepting your premises or arguments... again!) a) I'm not a communist (although I see the appeal over blatant capitalism... socialism is smarter), and b) while I don't 100% unequivocally condemn the US for the Syrian attacks, it is about 98% because I'm not convinced it was the Assad regime who did the chemical attacks that sparked it. As I've posted elsewhere, the US military-industrial(-Intelligence*) complex has a long history of doing false-flag events to gain public support and manipulate governments (and media) to act in their interests. KNOWING this to be true, and KNOWING that fake news" is not a new thing, why wouldn't I question something that makes no sense at all???

 

 

(* apparently, we've updated this phrase...)

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@'shining'    Framing again.  You keep guessing then framing me with your groundless accusations, this is classic zombie dalu wumao style when they run out of words. Where is my premise other than in your twisted mind? Quote me where I stated any premise.

 

Don't sidetrack the discussion the third time. Answer my simple question, are Australians, generally speaking, like you regarding dog eating, i.e. they don't find dog eating offensive? 

 

You have evaded this question twice already. Why are you evading the question? What are you afraid of?

 

You don't have to be an official member of a communist party to be brainwashed, just like tons of dalu wumaos aren't CCP members officially. I am willing to bet readers of this forum can see crystal clear how you argue, how trustworthy you are, and where you learn to argue like that.....

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Australian government tightens up citizenship rules .
ABOUT BLÒODY TIME TOO
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/turnbull-government-to-overh...

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That is really not tightening up but it is a small step in the right direction. More is need like set quotas let's say there were 100 kids born total immigrant quota should be 20. Now I understand not counting spouses or family towards that quota

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So, can single (no wife) still immigrate ? If not, I'll might swim to NZ .....surprise 

 

'I am an excellent swimmer ....'

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I just unsubbed from GetUp over the latest campaign against Turnbull's antics.

 

I would need more information on the actual questions etc to be introduced, but I don't see a great problem with it .. however, asking if applicants can beat their wives has just excluded women from being citizens... (cos we don't yet have gay marriage... and only men would have wives, and thus, only men can be applicants!)

 

I'm not sure if this idea will really make that much difference...

 

(for any who may think I'm being hypocritical here, but how I see this is that (for example) Muslims can come from Syria, open a Syrian restaurant, go to Mosque and do their prayers, even send their kids to a Muslim school... as long as they've learned English, and their menu is open to ALL people (not segregated), with menus in English (can be bi-lingual!), with English speaking staff! I have no problems with all food being Halal, and no pork... it is, after all, still Muslim! And, this would be what it means to be an Australian Muslim)

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Turncoat is only putting on a show to counter the raise of Pauline Hanson. You could tell he didn't buy anything he said....just going through the motions to hold on to a few votes to keep his job.. He will shit himself if the sheila in France gets in lol

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Daluren eating dogs in my country doesn't anger me nearly as much as me serial bedding their women in their country angers them.

Respect my sexually liberated culture, minorities rights, stuff like that.

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They might eat your dogs, 'cause dogies in your country are too passive .... What day is today?

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Every old dogs eventually become passive, China has none because they end up in the wok, or die from lungs cancer, before getting old.

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There aren't any dogs in Anshan, Liaoning. Some 1M residents city but no dogs.

I did pet huge (male) reddish cat thou. Rabbit must taste better than cat ...

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Speaking of ... WTF is wrong with this world. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/15dd0d13-9abe-3381-9641-bfd2843bb6da/ss_out...

icnif77:

 You wouldn't work at Amazon, if no piss-room , would  you? 

I mean, you could come to work with 'empty grocery bag', but it isn't that convenient .... and your hands are dirty .....

 

However, muslins w-rights are diff. and you-(SA) respects the 'almighty' above all, i.e. 'In God We Trust', butT-o (we change it to bullion fast!) paper money is losing its 'god' steadily ....

2nd demand at 'Ama-son Bill of WRights': 'I want silence above all during my bending ...'

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Also

 

http://nypost.com/video/one-man-muslim-militia-goes-on-tirade-outside-of-christian-conference/

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Because they have been getting everything the tell you they want...so this is the norm . Like a middle eastern version of Chinese. You hurt our feelings if you say no

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Here's a really basic question... are the lands we come from 'Christian' lands?

 

In Oz, we get holidays for Easter and Christmas (ostensibly, now, Christian holy days). And, Sundays are 'sacred'.

 

If our country is truly non-discriminatory, then the same religious freedoms (time off for religious practices) should be granted to ALL religious peoples. (and, yes, that should also mean that there is no added pay for those who don't care for Christmas or Easter, or Sundays).

 

If you're going to pray 5 times a day - fine! BUT you find someone to cover your time away from your job, AND you're not having this included in your allotted pay time! That's personal time, NOT company time...

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You're confusing culture and religion. Like it or not western  culture in it's infant years became entangled with Christianity that's fact and established history. And Christmas and Easter became celebrated holidays long before we were evolved enough to be secularist. But ask yourself this question, are those holidays (Easter/ Christmas) more secular these days? (Santa/ Easter bunny) Better yet are these holidays also celebrated by non Christians (atheists)? Yes, because these holidays have evolved to become more cultural. That nixes your false equivalency. 

Bottom line is this, companies should not be forced to grant religious exceptions to work duty/ responsibilities. This also includes NYPD allowing facial hair exceptions for Jews. Blue laws should be completely scrapped also but that is controlled by local yocal towns.

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The freedom to practice your religion does not mean I must grant exceptions for your religion. 

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Well put

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Personally, I do actually think that if one religious group benefits, then all should...

 

Culture/religion... yeah, I've heard people use that 'argument'... usually from those trying to defend the idea that what is normal culture for them has NO reference to ANY religion, and so what they do is perfectly ok, and anyone who wants it different is wrong.

 

How about this for an example - change the names! And see the outrage in the US when ppl say 'Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". OMG they act as though there's been a pogrom carried out against them!!! Saying "Happy Hannukah" is pandering...

 

What if we no longer have a 3/4-day holiday for Easter (no longer get the Friday and Monday off - for those that do) - which is 100% based upon Christianity (I mean, seriously, how could you even attempt to argue otherwise???) Would you be ok with that?? Tell me what significance Easter has for you...

 

The idea that just because it's become less important to many in this more secular age, doesn't mean that it's still not a religious holy-day.

 

 

(I'll also add - if an employer is faced with an employee that demands to be able to fulfill their religious obligations in work time, then they have the right to not hire them on that basis.

 

I know this might actually horrify you guys who want everything to stay the same and never EVER change to accommodate other people, but perhaps these things can be negotiated.

 

I will also say - it is NOT the employers responsibility to cater to someone else's religion - but if they do, then they have a moral (and legal) responsibility to cater to ALL religions. This also means - if a Muslim has no interest in Christmas, they can work those holidays (at NORMAL pay rates) - but are entitled to have their holy days off (to equal amounts of time).

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I'd be happy if Easter were done away with but you're missing the point as always. It's about money, 50% of the retail sales are due to Christmas. Easter is placed to lift 1st quarter sales. 

Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas, pointless argument. That's a totally domestic squabble, has nothing to do with the point of this discussion. 

Actually no, an employer can not choose not to hire them because that would be discrimination. It is put in the employee's court, 'anything that will hinder you from carrying out the job duties?' But nice attempt to try to twist it around. 

It would be against the law to work on a National Holiday with normal pay. Companies don't set National Holidays. And the employee can use a personal day / sick day for religious holidays. Again nice attempt by you to twist things around. 

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So, are you going to deny that many 'national holidays' were specifically put in place because of their religious significance? And that many do still consider that religious significance (and, thus, the holiday given for it) to be important?

 

Money? They're NOW about money... when the holidays were first made into a national holiday, they weren't.

 

"Domestic squabble'..??? WTF do you think this entire thread is actually about?? The whole thing is a 'domestic friggen squabble"!!!

 

 

RE: religious discrimination and the law... if the religion directly affects the employee's ability to work, I think you'll find that the company has (or, at least, should have) the right not to hire them.... Eg, you sell pork products, and a Muslim wants a job there.... it'd be stupid for the company to have to employ that person, and then alter the product, just for that one person.

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As stated before

 

"You're confusing culture and religion. Like it or not western  culture in it's infant years became entangled with Christianity that's fact and established history. "

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RE: religious discrimination and the law... if the religion directly affects the employee's ability to work, I think you'll find that the company has (or, at least, should have) the right not to hire them.... Eg, you sell pork products, and a Muslim wants a job there.... it'd be stupid for the company to have to employ that person, and then alter the product, just for that one person.

 

The religion doesn't determine the individual's 'restrictions' when it comes to doing the job. The individual decides what aspects of the religion to follow or not. Which is why employers should not be able to discriminate based on religion, they simply ask the right questions to determine if the individual is able to do the job. And you (supporting religious discrimination) call me conservative. 

Seems all your dancing around the question has ended you up in the ungodly position of endorsing discrimination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Many Muslims work serving and even cooking pork

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The religion doesn't determine the individual's 'restrictions' when it comes to doing the job. The individual decides what aspects of the religion to follow or not."

 

True-ish.... except, most humans have this bad habit of wanting to remain connected to a religion, even though the religion has made it clear that what they want isn't ok (I'm thinking of the obvious example of the LGBT community who also want to be Catholics... sorry, if you don't like what the Pope says, find a new religion!)

 

"Which is why employers should not be able to discriminate based on religion, they simply ask the right questions to determine if the individual is able to do the job"

 

Yes - I agree... The job requires X,Y and Z. If you can't do X, Y and Z, then it's not the employer's fault! And, the employer should have the right to not hire that person, and find someone else. That is not discrimination.

 

Should the employer have to provide a prayer room? No, I don't think so... it's your religion, not the employers! BUT.. if the employer makes an allowance for one religion, then they are then obliged to make allowances for all.

 

"And you (supporting religious discrimination) call me conservative. 

Seems all your dancing around the question has ended you up in the ungodly position of endorsing discrimination."

 

If you're only use the above as an example of 'religious discrimination', then you've clearly failed! Unless, of course, you believe that ALL religions deserve to be pandered to completely...

 

The fact that you're so horrified that people might want to come to your country and yet keep on doing the things that are part of their tradition - that you may find offensive - is why I call you conservative! (Pretty sure that's actually the main substance of the definition of the word....). Also, the fact that someone can actually say they disagree with you...

 

So, going way back to the OP's question - me personally, no, I'm not bothered. My country people - there are wankers, and there are those who just have sensitivities, and those who have a set of values, and those who love their dogs, and those who love all animals regardless, and a whole host of other people - who may be offended, and not want it to happen/be allowed.

 

AND there are those who aren't so offended (for various reasons), and don't see a problem with it.

 

AND one thing we know for sure.... the society (and culture) will change!

 

Go draw your line in the sand... and watch it get washed away within a generation or two....

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Whenever I go past this thread, I get reminded of my grandmother... and the good old days of 40+ years ago, where is was normal to call people from different lands 'chinks', 'nips', 'towelheads' (although, that was a bit more recent), 'abos', and 'boongs' (if we were in America, that'd be 'nigger' and whatever other racial pejoratives you used).

 

I'm reminded that Australian actually mean 'British' as far as our 'culture' was concerned...

 

And that to be Australian meant standing up and defending the idea of a White Australia, and good old British values as the only values worth having. You had to be Christian (at least in name).

 

And it was perfectly ok to say to say to someone "go back home"...

 

I did actually reply to your question earlier Earthi, but it looks like it didn't go through (and I got logged out and all!!)

 

Yes, many (most?) Australians would be appalled if someone came over here and wanted to start eating dog meat.

 

The funny thing is - and what you guys don't get is... it's NOT WRONG!

 

You seem to have this idea that doing something that offends us is inherently wrong, and must be stopped at all costs...

 

You, presumably, are going to head on down that slippery slope to start saying, therefore, that FGM is ok in our country, because if you allow one thing that offends you, then you must allow ALL things in ... in the name of 'culture' or 'religion'. Frankly, only idiots would even attempt that argument... as if people aren't sane enough to see distinctions...

 

So, go ahead... tell  me how eating dog meat is the moral equivalent of FGM or wife bashing....

 

 

What I see here - exceptionally clearly - is that if someone wants to do something that YOU PERSONALLY do not agree with, then it's bad and shouldn't be allowed. Even the comments above on religion show this loud and clear... You want this world (or at least, your part of it) to remain exactly as YOU want it.... and any changes MUST be approved by you. There is ZERO consideration of how other people think and feel about things.

 

We have a  word for that now on this board... Yangist.

Englteachted:

So again, instead of addressing the question you make up some nonsense and argue against the nonsense. No one is saying that what was done in the past was right, which is why those aspects of the culture were changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So, you don't like the fact that I find you extremely xenophobic? And often racist as well??

 

When it comes to cultures and integration, I also think you're quite racist, narrow-minded, and seem to have a strong conservative attitude...

 

Note' I'm only expressing my opinion here, and not trying to directly respond to the OP.

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Shining: you can't argue against the topic of this post so you keep changing the argument. Who the fuck said what an individual finds offensive ? What the predominant culture of that particular country finds offensive. Example libs and cons almost unanimously stand against eating dogs, So if a dog eater goes to America they have no right to be catered to, when it comes to eating dogs! Simple, respond to that, should they be catered to?

Shining_brow:

"Who the fuck said what an individual finds offensive"

 

I'm pretty sure that was the OP... as I stated before. I also figure that, since NONE of us can legitimately speak for ALL people and their attitudes in a country, then one can ONLY express individual opinions and attitudes...

 

But, I presume that you only care about those that you agree with. In America, there are a large number of immigrants, and children and grand-children of immigrants. Some of those would quite happily eat dog meat if given the chance. Many of those immigrants are now US citizens.

 

So, if you asked those US citizens what they thought of eating dog meat, how would you respond to them??? From what you've written, you're going to say a) no, they cannot eat their dog, and b) "You're un-American!!!" and, c) "we will NEVER change!!!"

 

 

"So if a dog eater goes to America they have no right to be catered to, when it comes to eating dogs! Simple, respond to that, should they be catered to?"

 

A) https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/man-bites-dog-its-legal-to-eat-dogs-and-cats-in-44-states-101714.html

 

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/local/american-restaurant-selling-dog-meat/

 

So, firstly, it looks like your country already has legalised the sale of dog meat, including in a restaurant for religious reasons... Therefore, to an extent, your entire argument is moot! And, given the emphasis that you've thrown into this 'debate' by saying how bad it is... it's still legal in the US... I find that HYSTERICAL!!!!! Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

 

b) what do you mean by 'catered to'? Specifically, how are you defining this term?

 

c) Should people be allowed to do something that offends others, but is a natural part of your own culture? That's a HUGE question that opens so many Pandora's boxes, that you really do NOT want to go there.... unless, you stick your head in the sand, and just say "You can do what you want anywhere else in the world, but in my backyard, what I say goes!"

 

d) does 'catered to' mean 'allow someone to do something which you disagree with, but does not have any other negative impact on either yourself, nor others around you, directly' - hell yes!

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Laws can be changed, so the point is not moot.

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But... the law specifically was made to allow for the eating and selling of dog meat in LA.

 

So, the OP asked (basically) the question "Should we have to respect other cultures in our own countries that do not (currently) have traditions (and, perhaps, values) that are not a part of (and perhaps, contrary to) our own traditions (and perhaps, values).

 

The answer is - fairly obviously to anyone who bothers to think outside their own little box - yes.... within limits! Those limits are dictated by how 'extreme' the value or tradition is.

 

Is it 'pandering' or is it just understanding that the world is changing - including what goes on in your own country.... (the irony of people arguing this point who come from nations that didn't exist only a few hundred years ago is not lost on me - is it completely lost on you???)

 

The eating of dog meat in our countries was the specific example used - and I think I've effectively shown that it's not as horrific a thing to allow to be legal (and, in that way, part of a new culture) as you guys want to make out.

 

You're doing what's been done probably since the dawn of humanity... "Oh my gods, look at what the kids are into these days! It's terrible! Everything is going to ruin... Ah, the good old days of when I was brought up... kids have no respect any more...". and all that sort of BS.

 

You're having a problem embracing/accepting change, and think that YOUR values are better and more important than any other values.

 

 

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I actually read this whole discussion.

I'm swinging more for the "when in rome" team but I'm not ashamed of the colour of my skin, my culture or my country, nor do I feel any guilt about those things. Unlike a pompous narrowminded wanker who believes he is the paragon of free speech, new age ideology, unicorn hugging and self loathing. The most amazing part was the sheer resilience of this particular user to embark on frustrated diatribes of complete bollocks and argue ridiculous points with fallacy. For unicorn's sake, some of the comments made by this wanker me ashamed to be an Australian. I think Ted mentioned that he was trapped in his own ideology and i have to agree but I'd say he's trapped in a fucked up, confused, full of shit, wannabe different, pompous wanker, ideology.

As amusing as it is to watch someone commit forum suicide, it is a little worrisome that someone is so eager to sell out their own county and culture based on the fact he believes he's an anarchist. Clearly he has no clue what that means either.

Trump University and McDonald's University of Hamburgerology have a lot to answer for.

Englteachted:

I was being polite. I actually respect this user despite the fact he's full of shit and called me a racist (which is hilarious, if he knew my history and the times I proudly got in trouble protesting 'real' infringes on the rights of others)

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You Sir, are clearly a better man than me. I'd have more respect for him if he stuck to doing what he studied for.......being a living statue with a red wig next to McDonald's front door rather than pontificating random arsed fallacies in Tolstoy-esque lengthed rants. He's a xomplete clown.

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Englteachted:

 

love it, but lets see if it holds. If she's originally from another country, send her back.

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Shining_brow:

Cool! Good idea!!!

 

It wouldn't surprise me if this initiative ends up going around the whole country, and that lots of non-Muslim women start getting into swimming - alongside them. Either because they're ashamed of their bodies, or because they don't want to be perved on by guys.

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I'm a Rajneeshi transgender.....i only swim in purple water. I want all pools to change the water colour or I'm suimg because you don't respect my religion

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So Shining you think that under 3% of the population can demand the other 97% panda to them? Allah Akbar to you too

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@Phil - I don't think you actually read the article.

 

The pool (and council) chose to offer a service to a section of the community (which, I presume, is a reasonably large section in their community!) which previously would not have accessed that service.

 

This is pretty much the same thing as having services for blind people, for the disabled (eg, wheelchair access), hearing impaired. Now, before anyone goes on a rant that I'm somehow trying to associate a religion with a disability, I'm NOT. I'm making a comparison between one group of minority that is receiving some sort of acknowledgement or benefit, to other minority groups that would access services if ther were given that acknowledgment or benefit.

 

If there's a relevant and significant difference - please explain!

 

And, to an extent, how would you feel about the pool offering special times to overweight people to help lose weight through "water therapy", and having an exclusive time alone to do this?

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Actually I also saw the tv news report too. So if there is that big a colony of Muzzies there it just show integration isn't big on their agenda.

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Seriously???

 

Ok, firstly, when migrating to a new country, it's pretty natural that you would want to be in the vicinity of other people with like minds - especially when you're of a religion that is seen as different, takes up a LOT more time than the locals normally, do, and have specific eating habits. Scattering across the country/city makes those things somewhat impractical.

 

Secondly, language barriers...

 

Thirdly, I'm mostly referring to first generation. Second generations (Aussie born) are more likely to stay in the area of the people they grew up with (also for the first reason)..

 

"Integration" doesn't necessarily mean 'staying away from your own people*". It means, adapting to the local culture where you can (without losing your sense of identify, ethics, beliefs, etc).

 

(* please, no stuff about "they're supposed to be Aussies now - so we ARE their people". You know what I mean).

 

The grouping with your own that you're familiar with - happens everywhere in the world... by all expats & immigrants!

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Still awaiting the relevant and significant diffierence between Muslim women having thier own time, and any other specific group having theirs....

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Shining_brow:

Two of the other news articles on the same page...

 

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/05/16/11/12/a-current-affair-reporter-ben-mccormack-named-in-pedophile-ring.

 

http://www.9news.com.au/World/2017/05/17/18/08/Cardinal-George-Pell-declares-innocence-from-the-Vatican-over-abuse-allegations

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Thanks Shining I won my bet

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philbravery:

Also they had a royal commission look into the church. But they are to afraid what they suspect that they will find in an Islamic probe

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I'm sure a commission will be held for Islam mosques and leaders, etc in the not too incredibly distant future. The only difference is there won't be the decades of cover-ups that the Christian churches did.

 

one problem is - separation of church and state. The Christian churches have had this as a normal part of life. However, even though there have been incidences where church leaders said the wrong thing, the outcry was mainly by those of the church itself (and some media), and no-one expected the greater Christian community to agree.

 

However, when an Islamic Imam or other church (mosque) leader says or does something stupid, then the outcry is very public, becomes political, and many (non-Muslims) presume that what is said and done is the view of the whole Islamic community.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Shining, do you actually believe the unicorn shit you write or are you really the greatest satirist since Clive James? We're lucky you're a complete moron or you'd be dangerous. I still blame Mcdonald's University of Hamburgerology for failing you in your education......now get in your burger clown costume and make like a statue. The breakfast crowd is coming.

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philbravery:

The shoe on the other foot?

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You see that's a perfect example. To the countries in those regions, a woman not covering her hair is the equivalent to killing someone. So you know what, don't go there and disrespect them. 

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@Shining
2.2% re 2016 census of the Australian population are muzzie.
What percentage of terrorism in Australia would be fair to say are committed by Muslim perpetrators?
So before you go on a off the topic rant ...answer this question.
By the way i can't get anyone to cover my bets anymore as your replies are to predictable

Shining_brow:

Curious - what do you think my reply will be?

 

I have a good idea on what it will be... but do you really?

 

And, if so, then what are the counter-arguments?

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How good of you to reply ....f@ck i would have won again. However my side bet that you would come up with some excuses for my question isn't there yet. Please reply to my question. ....im getting thirsty.

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I know I guessed right, you avoided the question

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@Engles - seriously?? WTF???? Im one of hte most prolific posters and debaters on this entire topic.... And I use logic, data, evidence, etc etc etc. AND I go direct to the heart of the matter..... Much more than many others on here.

 

I know you don't like what I have to write (on this topic).. but that's YOUR issue, not mine!

 

Given that I DO hang around and come to this (and similar) threads, and rip holes in your arguments, my response here is quite appropriate...

 

And, yes, Phil, I will answer your question... I don't have a problem with that!

 

But, as I said - I'd like to know how predictable I am, and what it is that I'm going to say....

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Firstly the question required an answer in relation to a percentage you feel would be a fair estimate of terrorists in the muzzie population. @Ted ...i must stick up for Shining on this one....time and time again he has shown to be a true mass debater.

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Shining_brow:

This again?? Why?

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Aren't liberals supposed to be for free speech?

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuIjiGxr9gY

 

Sorry those w/o a tunnel 

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