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Q: Do you have less respect for Confucius?

That post about reporting broken equipment and then being blamed for it got me thinking. That 'principle' was one of many  flawed Confucianisms along with if you offer to help someone it's because you caused their situation.  Not counting the sexism which was prevalent in all past civilizations, many of his ideas just seem plain stupid. Can anyone put forward some of his ideas that were actually good?

24 weeks 4 days ago in  Transport & Travel - China

 
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Such a good and important topic. This one from quora is so good that I am posting excerpts from it.

 

"The Confucian Canon, often referred to as a code of conduct rather than a proper religion, is essentially an instruction manual for cult leaders and dictators on how to morally blackmail the people into obedience. Hence the absence of universal concepts of freedom, individualism, and human rights (although there's a lot in it about human responsibilities, like filial piety, obedience, dependency) in China.

 

:-[this is the problem with Confucianism--it is a eunuch's philosophy, all the virtues he said were good, but everything he said worked around a sensitive topic, dictatorship. They were more like 'how to live happily as part of the cattle, to use your apt description in another post'.  Is it any different in 2017?  I don't see much. Say again, how and where does Liu Xiao Bo die?  Where is his wife?]

 

In fact, it takes forever to establish the rule of law in China precisely because Confucius believed that coercing people with a sense of obligation, shame and "face" works just as fine, with the unenviable consequences that the people of China, in Hegel's words, "cherish the meanest opinion of themselves, and believe that they are born only to drag the car of Imperial Power."

 

:-[Ahhhhh.......FACE.....]

 

Not a few China experts seem to suggest that the troubled Communist Party of China under Xi Jinping, instead of dashing into an unknown future (of liberal democracy and Westernization, perhaps?), may want to revive Confucianism in order to justify its authoritarian grip on power. As I said, Confucianism works fantastic at that: The Confucian ideal of a government run by supreme human beings –the junzi- with supposedly superior moral values (not dissimilar to Plato's fascist 'Philosopher Kings') is possibly the greatest corruption of all."  https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-primary-criticisms-of-Confucianism

 

Someone introduced the term de-education to me a couple of days ago, saying with all the slogans, chanting, those 'honest, justice, civilised......' words you see everywhere you go, posters posted by CCP, it can create the opposite effects, people hate them (those words/concepts).  I searched for de-education but found only this. Still, quite interesting. Long article though.  

 

 http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2014/03/13/the-de-education-of-america

 

 

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Can't have less than 0. Clearly I have western bias, but compare to the great philosophers and there is no comparison.

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Such a good and important topic. This one from quora is so good that I am posting excerpts from it.

 

"The Confucian Canon, often referred to as a code of conduct rather than a proper religion, is essentially an instruction manual for cult leaders and dictators on how to morally blackmail the people into obedience. Hence the absence of universal concepts of freedom, individualism, and human rights (although there's a lot in it about human responsibilities, like filial piety, obedience, dependency) in China.

 

:-[this is the problem with Confucianism--it is a eunuch's philosophy, all the virtues he said were good, but everything he said worked around a sensitive topic, dictatorship. They were more like 'how to live happily as part of the cattle, to use your apt description in another post'.  Is it any different in 2017?  I don't see much. Say again, how and where does Liu Xiao Bo die?  Where is his wife?]

 

In fact, it takes forever to establish the rule of law in China precisely because Confucius believed that coercing people with a sense of obligation, shame and "face" works just as fine, with the unenviable consequences that the people of China, in Hegel's words, "cherish the meanest opinion of themselves, and believe that they are born only to drag the car of Imperial Power."

 

:-[Ahhhhh.......FACE.....]

 

Not a few China experts seem to suggest that the troubled Communist Party of China under Xi Jinping, instead of dashing into an unknown future (of liberal democracy and Westernization, perhaps?), may want to revive Confucianism in order to justify its authoritarian grip on power. As I said, Confucianism works fantastic at that: The Confucian ideal of a government run by supreme human beings –the junzi- with supposedly superior moral values (not dissimilar to Plato's fascist 'Philosopher Kings') is possibly the greatest corruption of all."  https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-primary-criticisms-of-Confucianism

 

Someone introduced the term de-education to me a couple of days ago, saying with all the slogans, chanting, those 'honest, justice, civilised......' words you see everywhere you go, posters posted by CCP, it can create the opposite effects, people hate them (those words/concepts).  I searched for de-education but found only this. Still, quite interesting. Long article though.  

 

 http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2014/03/13/the-de-education-of-america

 

 

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I could not have less respect for the doctrine that has produced a culture that is so determined not to evolve.

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They didn't name him Confused for nothin' ! no

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SIMPLETON ME...      History is a great thing, something we have learned from.   used to be every century (or so)     today it is every day ( or so)    I like Confucious stuff. some inciteful  simple stuff.  I have great respect for Confucious....   amazing insight for his time. Todays world is just a bit a bit different (agree?)   comparing the past to the present is  not a right thing to do...  the past is the past...  move on...  live and learn...   tomorrow, I will be a Martian from Venus.

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