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Q: Do you know any non native speakers who would be able to pass high school English exams?
Got no beef with non-natives teaching English, however I do have a problem with many of them teaching at high school level or above. I think that is short changing the students. How many do you know who would pass a literature exam with flying colors?
Me.
But i don't teach.
Not any more.
I regret sleeping with my teenage students...and my 60 year old boss.
Coz they are not white.
royceH:
My bet is that they were all asleep not three minutes later. Five in the bed and the little one said........
English is the forte of native English speakers ?
dokken:
A Ukrainian girl said to me "can you stay open the door?" I think she meant can you keep the door open. English was not her forte. Yet she taught english in a prestigious high school.
High school English is actually English literature - not English language. So there's an apples & oranges situation there.
However, let's just throw those NNES that I know into an English class and see how they'd go... and for the vast majority of the people that I know and hang out with and talk to, they'd be getting A's (which, btw, is higher than what I got!)
And I know French, Italians, Swedes, Danes, Finns, Poles, Turks, Yemeni (ok, their English isn't too great - but then, they aren't teaching!), Bulgarians. Ukrainian, Spaniards. And Americans... Some of the above are actually IELTS examiners.
And yes, I do agree that there are many who should not be trying to teach English as a language. And some NES who shouldn't either!
Non-native speakers with dubious English proficiency should not teach above grade 6.
Non-native speakers with native-like fluency can teach every levels, any accent they may have is not that much of a problem for as long their pronunciation and grammar is accurate.
I find it ridiculous when Chinese students try to mimic British or American accents, they should focus on having an accurate 'neutral' pronunciation instead, their Chinese accent is no big deal for as long their pronunce each syllable the right way.
Timtimtim:
People give Chinese people shit for speaking like robots and you want them to become more 'neutral'. What if they just like the sound of the Americans? People don't have to do shit and I would support them in picking a certain style because it creates less confusion.
I see these dumb ass English teachers from different countries trying to correct their students just because they are speaking vowels like an English man. How about people just focus on their student and not personal preference.
Viki87:
Just pick up a certain style is great, either American, English or whatever from native English speaking countries.
I personally prefer American.
No. I have never met a non-native with good English and they should stick to teaching kids.
Hotwater:
You must mix with many non-native speakers then.......
I have friends from Denmark, France, Germany, even China, etc who speak excellent English, with correct grammar.
Myself, I'm a native speak and I wouldn't dream of trying to teach English as mine is poor. Yes I speak English fluently but I couldn't teach you the difference between a verb and an adverb.
Viki87:
Actually as a native speaker, the grammar takes itself when you speak. You just didn't realize it. I don't know Chinese grammar much either, but I doubt any non native speakers can compete with my Chinese. lol
Timtimtim:
Did you see that Ted. Viki is smarter than you. You must feel terrible.
Timtimtim:
Can I also point out. If you are a native English speaker and you don't know simple rules like verbs and nouns...ect. You're just a shit student and probably not bright. That's like grade 6.
http://www.bced.gov.bc.ca/exams/search/grade12/english/release/exam/1006en_p.pdf
Here is a grade 12 English provincial exam from Canada, you must score 70 percent or take the IELTS exam to enter university or go to a local college and take more ESL courses.
