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Q: Do you personally know of a foreigner who was deported from China?

Do you personally know of a foreigner who was deported from China?  For what reason?  Visa overstay?  Conduct?  Other reasons? Did the foreigner try to come back to China?

12 years 9 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Nope, but I remember wishing that certain co-workers of mine would be.

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I have known two cases locally.
One was for working without a Z visa and other required documents.  He was jailed for a few days until deporting papers were processed, then placed on a plane.
The other one was for a visa overstay.  This was a long overstay, many years, not just a few days.  Again, when caught was taken to jail for a few days and afterwards deported. 

Neither has returned to China yet.  Unfortunately, they were the type of person that will pay no attention to good advise, and think they know better. 

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Thanks very much for the answer, Happy.

The cases that I knew of were a little different.  I worked with a lady from England who just was bound and determined to lecture everyone about T**w*n and what she thought, etc.   The first time that she gave a public lecture about it, she was sent home from work without pay for two weeks and was encouraged "to think about her behavior".  That served no purpose -- she came to work and about one week later, started her speeches again.  This time, they were really strict -- she was taken by train, like a prisoner, to Beijing Airport, and then deported to Thailand, of all places, as it was the first plane out at the moment she arrived in Beijing. Nothing more was ever heard of her.

The second case was like the one that you mentioned -- a very, very long visa overstay but this time the stay in jail was quite long -- a Canadian who thought that he knew everything -- and then he was deported.

nevermind:

Good for her for spreading some light on the BS and her deportation proves she's right.

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981977405:

Nevermind, thanks but in my mind it proves nothing only that she got herself deported and banned from the country for five or ten years.

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nevermind:

Yes, for merely speaking about a country that China doesn't see ye to eye with. At least I can go to England and call the Falklands the Malvinas if I wish and not be put on a plane out of the nation. Or, I can go to Canada and say Quebec is a separate country and not be deported....

Yet, you seem to be trying to make this woman look bad.

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981977405:

We are talking facts and incidents and you are straying from the topic. She came to China, she knew what the laws were, but so like so foreigners here, she felt that she was above the law, very colonialist of her, and she proceeded to do what she did. Don't off topic this thread, please. And I pass no judgment on the lady.

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I'm not staying off topic at all, we're talking about a woman you knew who got deported, as am I. I think you're Chinese, to tell you the truth. Either that or VERY easily lead, and I'd like for you to show me where this woman broke the law.

ANd there's nothing "colonialist" about speaking your opinion on Taiwan. And if there is, then next time I hear a Chinese person back home talk about Tibet or Taiwan I'm going to call them out for being "colonialist" for disagreeing with my views in my country.... 

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GuilinRaf:

To Nevermind: Would YOU talk openly about the "Twan"?

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Aldysgone8:

When you are in another country, you abide by their laws. Whether they trample all over human rights is not the case.. Especially in a case that involves expatriation. When a person chooses to enter a country at their own free will, they should at least stay sensitive to topics involving their new surrounding culture. Regarding entering their educational system and teaching them things the government does not like? She clearly wasnt horribly interested in retaining her job, now was she..? Whether logical or not. The woman was clearly thick-headed and should have either been more careful or less of a hero.

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I would and do. It's not illegal, I don't know where you guys are getting that from.

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Are you in some sort of trouble? That's two question about this sort of thing.

981977405:

No trouble at all and there will be more questions about foreigners. Everything that I read here is that the Chinese do this and the Chinese do that and that the Chinese are so bad, etc., etc., and yet there is another side to the coin, so to speak, and that is all the crazy foreigners that there are in China and the mischief that the do and cause, etc, etc. It's truly not a one way street and I just that I would examine the flip side of the coin.

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nevermind:

It would be interesting to examine the record of Chinese people who emigrate to other countries too.....

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981977405:

Sure perhaps you might like to put up a thread to that effect?

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nevermind:

No, cause I think that would be petty.

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981977405:

Never, how magnanimous of you!

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thedude:

981...why do you always go out of your way to defend China and all things Chinese. You talk about the flip-side of the coin...fine...but you have never once posted anything negative about China. Yes I agree that foreigners need to respect the law here, but what is the point of talking about ignorant foreigners in China? Stupid people are everywhere here not just foreigners. When is the last time you left this country?

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kchur:

I dunno. Yesterday morning he wrote a few long posts about how I have a sick violent mind, and how I was a rapist farmer back home, and how he would have me personally deported, so I assume this is some continuation. As much as I'm an advocate of "throw mud and see what sticks", the only law I've broke in the last ten years, in any country, was jaywalking.

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They call me jay walkin joe, the scourge of not-intersections. Traffic police fear me, women want to be with me, men want to be me. But will they ever unmask the hidden identity of this devious sick mind: One man took up that cause, and will see justice at any cost! >:(

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981977405:

Dude, stay on topic if you don't mind. I put up a thread and either you can answer or not answer and you can like it or not like it, frankly, I don't care. I have waded through reams and reams of criticism about China on this site, and frankly, you lead the pack in terms of criticizing China -- if you don't like it here, well then just leave. In any case, take a balanced view of things here -- you brought yourself here, surely didn't. You are the kind of foreigner with your endless moaning about the place and your finding everything wrong here that hurts all the other foreigners that come here to do the best that they can do. There surely must be an airport in the city where you live.

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981977405:

As to Kchur, you have a florid if not very accurate memory. In any case, if that is how you describe yourself, so be it.

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thedude:

Well, clearly you have not read most of my posts or you would see I have a pretty balanced opinion of China. I like many here like some things and dislike others, but at least I have not been here long enough to start drinking the kool-aid yet. What exactly do you think is the point of this site? To sugar-coat everything here and tell the world how utterly wonderful all things in China are?? I will leave that to you, and I will continue to share my real thoughts.

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981977405:

You will continue to share your invective, you mean...and no, actually, you are rather negative about China. That's obvious.

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nevermind:

And you're negative about foreigners. So, I assume you'll never be going home if we're to live by your "if you don't like it, don't live here" motto. Though I suspect you're actually Chinese. 

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kchur:

I jaywalked to feed my starving children. Am I proud of it? No. Can I sleep at night? No. Can I look at myself in the mirror? No. But I will do anything to protect those kids, even if it means jaywalking into the very depths of hell.

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981977405:

Kchur, it's time for your lithium, truly it is.

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nevermind:

I think you should look up what lithium does. It isn't meant to treat sarcasm.

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981977405:

Yes, nevermind, I am aware of that. And I wouldn't use sarcastic nor caustic in terms of the post.  In any case, this is veering off topic.  Either you and Kchur and the multiple personalities de jure and de facto have something to add to the topic or you do not.  I think that you do not and that is why you engage in these lumpenproletariat-type skirmishes, for lack of ability perhaps to respond on a higher level. I'll leave you three (or how many multiples there are) to your caustic mud.

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nevermind:

In fact, if you want to talk about a person needing mental help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Uh, you started the arguing by lashing out as soon as I disagreed with you...

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kchur:

Mr. Bicycle Man, what drug do psychologists use to treat paranoia, cuz I think you need some of that.

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kchur:

Wait a second. Did you just call us lumpenproletariat? In that completely batshit-nutty context? Man, every time I think you can't get more pretentious and pseudo-intellectual, bam, you put me right in my place.

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nevermind:

What's funny about it is that in his constant aggression, and overly enthusiastic defense of China, he's the biggest lumpenproletariat around.

But, in reality, he's just another Wu mao loser who can't find real work.

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Chaching:

Rosa Parks decided not to follow the heard by refusing to give up her seat on a bus. Gandhi preached about standing up and speaking when you see an injustice. "Become the change you seek in this world." I believe is what he said. I don't know this English woman's rhetoric, nor do I know her motive. Perhaps she was being plain foolish. However, we are becoming one world. I have all nationalities constantly bash my country, and it doesn't fall on def ears. I head the underlying advice and try to curb my behaviors according to that advice, especially if it is good advice. This woman probably hit a nerve or two with several Chinese officials, perhaps she spoke out at the wrong venue or the wrong time. However, we don't know her true intentions. Perhaps she was trying to show Chinese people what the heck the rest of the world thinks of them. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that foreigner or Chinese, speaking out against an injustice is a noble thing. At least she had enough guts to do it. Where are you when it comes to this? You bash my country because you can. You're allowed to and no one is going to harm you. Speak out against China, and you get your ass deported? There is something seriously wrong with this. Really, I don't think it has anything to do with respecting the laws of the country your in. If that were the case, then I would move to the middle east where I can slice my wife's head off if she disagrees with me. Lawful of not, laws are sometimes wrong dude! Brown v. Board of Education. Seperate but equal. Just flat wrong! Deporting someone who slanders or opposes the governments point-of-view on a topic is just wrong. Respect the law my ass! Since when do Chinese obey the law anyway? This country is so jacked up on itself and the people are so naive to their own biases and ethnocentricity, that I believe this is the essence of Chinese arrogance. You think the west is arrogant? How many times have I heard the phrase, "that's not the Chinese way of doing things?" You idiot! You are holding China back from truly placing its foot upon the world's stage as a leader. F**king bigots.

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I <3 Chaching.

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Yes i had a friend who was deported. He caused an accident and not only did he have to pay the victim way more than the hospital bill costs the victim also demanded him to be deported. He can't come back.

vishnu.tulasi15:

Hi. Would you be able to tell me in detail about the incident. My brother is facing the same and would like to know what could be the next step to get back to China since he’s about to complete his studies there and the same incident happened with him to.

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Yes. His boss cancelled his visa, got locked up for a month, deported and can't come back after two years. He's a good friend of mine. 
Reason - His boss cancel his because he thinks this person was flirting with his wife.

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When I was in highschool, a schoolmate was caught in a police raid in a bar, and was searched. He had cocaine in his pocket, so he got deported and will never be able to enter the country again. He was one of those cocky beijing foreign highschoolers who think they're superior to anyone and can get away with anything, so I guess he had it coming.

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There is at times a bit of prevalent Wild-West attitude on the part of a small group of foreigners here and I emphasize the small group of foreigners. Your high school mate is luck that they did not remand him to jail.  That would not have been a pleasant experience.

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I been deported from shanghai because i was oversaty for 91 days ! of course i didint noticed till I decided to fly for holidays to spain.
I was traveling around china druing that time, in hotels etc.. and not body told me: hey your visa is expried..of course isnt an excuse.
Well finally i got:
7 days on jail plus 5 years cant go back to China.
Actually more than a year ago im working for a HK company with office in china etc...
I will like to know how I can back to china before 5 years ? any appologies letter ? any one knows--- Please help ! Thanks lot

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Yes... my roomate was detained for 6 hours two days ago by PSB agents who visited the school where she had been teaching without a Z visa. She came to China after China ESL told her she did not need a Z visa and she could work on an L or F visa, because the owner of China ESL (Rebcca Tang) has "connections".  They made her buy a plane ticket today and she has to leave in 7 days. They told her she cannot come back to china for 5 years and she has been tagged or flagged - whatever that means. She was one of two dozen foreign teachers picked up the other day for the same problem and 9 of them used the same recruiter.

crimochina:

if someone tells you that you can do something because sb else has connections, then you know it's illegal and you bear the responsibility yourself.

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My sister was deported in 2011 while she was in her last year of law school at Renmin University.  She got caught working  as an English tutor for Web International on a student visa and even though the university did their best to plead mercy for her, the PSB lady was a prick and gave her the boot. She only had three months to graduation. She got screwed out of her law degree because of that stupid visa BS. The woman agent who recruited her from China ESL told her it was "no big deal" to work without a Z visa and "everyone has been doing it for years." BTW... Web didn't do squat to help her and would not even write a letter on her behalf.

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Off hand, I knew two in Hangzhou, both were real a**holes and good riddance.

 

One was this clown from Florida. He stated that he graduated from the Naval Academy and I really had no reason to doubt him. He played guitar in the bars and at first I thought he was cool and he was from the South (USA) like myself.

 

Well, turns out, he was an abusive jerk. He had at least two Chinese girlfriends, the first just grew to hate the guy (she was also a bit nuts). The second girl I did not know, but supposedly he beat her up one night and that's all she wrote. Bye Bye.

 

The second guy was a friend of mine who was here for several years. WAS is the optimum word because we had a falling out over some BS and he took it too personally and was going around lying about me trying to destroy my reputation. We also had the same circle of friends, so I basically had to avoid everyone to avoid him. He was also screwing prostitutes on the side and had the audacity to show pictures of them online. I dont know why he got the boot except again, that he was an asshole and the whole hooker thing probably worked against him. He was also a journalist of some note, and he got kicked out in 2008 before the Olympics.

 

Hulk:

Haven't seen your posts around, and you only have 11 of them. Regardless, welcome to ECC. We're a bunch of misfits, but we usually try to have fun. Don't let the dummy-heads get to you. wink

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Nope, but I remember wishing that certain co-workers of mine would be.

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my resident visa extension for student visa got denied and i need to leave in a week and it says there on my passport (deportation). am i still.able.to come back with another kind of visa? i need a reply please.. i mean right now..

Nessquick:

there was a reason to kick you out. so better to stay away from this lovely land of dreams.  you could come back with new passport and visa, not vith same passport where page before new visa will shining "DEPORTATION" probably you wouldn't even get the new visa ...

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We had a guy from Australia kicked out this week, it seems he took photos of a factory or around a factory that use to be a military facility. They seized his cameras and hard drives and 72 hours later, he was gone.

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Second hand information but I had an acquainance who is a youngish English guy who worked as a teacher and a DJ in clubs in town. Really nice guy. I dont know the whole tale except for what his brother wrote on social media but supposedly the cops knocked on his door late one night and forced him to do a drug test which he failed, since he probably smoked marijuana socially. I dont know why the cops would have information on him or knock on his door, but he was put in detention and deported and put on a plane with little more than the clothes on his back.

 

Seems that after so many years, China is clamping down on this. I read another story about some tourists who didnt smoke or tried to in China out of fear of arrest here, but were smokers back in Massachuttes in the USA where pot is now legal and forced into a pee test and kicked out. So it maybe is good to abstain from this, especially if you live in a larger city.

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Two people. One was drunk and passed out in the road on his first day in China, the other was naked and passed out in someones front yard. 

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yes i know someone but this is all i will say

Stiggs:

I know, and know of (some people I never met personally) a few people. Also know a guy who probably would have ended up deported eventually if he hadn't skipped the country.

 

Drugs, getting into fights with the wrong people and a failed annual medical test for the visa renewal were the reasons.

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