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Q: Do you really have to bribe a doctor to get decent treatment?
People have told me recently that you have to bribe the doctor before they will listen and take you seriously.
Surely this can't really be the case?
10 years 29 weeks ago in Health & Safety - China
I am rarely in the hospitals (lucky me!), but I have done dental repair/replacement last winter in Dalian. Chinese denture fits better than earlier one done by my niece/dentist.
I paid for the whole dental work with Bank card. No gratuity to a dentist.
Longer my denture works, more often I'm returning (in my thoughts) to the Dalian dentist. I should gave him gift. Job well done!
It's a tragic state of affairs but to some extent it seems there is truth in it. Personally, as i've said to death, I blame the monetary system for such an abhorent reality as this, but just a fortnight ago my wife insisted I help a doctor friend of hers by checking over an English essay he'd written, assuring me that we needed an in-house hospital connection such as his. I hated doing it as such networking types of behaviour have always disgusted me, but I did, i'm a daddy now and I trust my wife. Sure enough, only a week or so later my son needed the immediate treatment of stitches to a wound on the side of his head, and sure enough, rather than wait in line with his head bleeding, my wife gave a call and he went straight to the front of the line to be treated by none other than the guy i'd helped with the essay. So yeh, greasing the wheels works wonders, whether it's just or otherwise, it's the way of things. Better to not hit your two year old in the head with a tyre-iron in the first place though, is the lesson i've learnt. Coh!
Scandinavian:
Did you remember to enjoy the view as you passed all the other two year olds sitting and bleeding in the waiting room of the hospital ? They probably could easily wait a little longer while you jumped the line.
mArtiAn:
I'm guessing you don't have kids. I'd do a Chuck Berry duck-walk over a whole school of bleeding orphans if it meant getting my kid to the front when he's hurt. F**k 'em.
Scandinavian:
@maRtiaN. Of course. It is your job to take care of your youngens. I'd do the same, heck I would probably steal a car and plow through the masses of pedestrians if the dog had a slightly odd cough.
But I have tried being taken in front of the line, for a non-urgent examination of myself, while there were crying kids wrapped in bandages like they'd been taken directly of the set of shooting a "Japanese are evil" TV-drama about the second Sino-Japanese war. Just because my mother in laws neighbor has a brother who is married to a nurse in a different department of the hospital. Yup, that is the actual relation needed to jump the line and get a consultation with the head of the department who pulls in his underlings from doing whatever they were doing, just to go look at me for a bit.
I believe the MIL has since settled the bill with a box of nice Chinese tea. , no actual payment was made to the hospital
I feel terrible for those kids sitting there waiting, crying, feeling pain.
mArtiAn:
Well you should have refused to jump the queue, I would have, but my principles change with regard to personal care and the care of my son. If i'm taking care of myself i'd say i'm a very principled individual, but where my son's concerned.........nope.
nowadays the chinese want a bribe for their normal fucking job, otherwise they dont do anything. like the ayi here in the company apartment was hired for cleaning and cooking now you need to bribe her for cleaning the toilet haha
Nessquick:
they teach them in kindergarden too. On last teachers day, they was about to bring some red envelopes to the teacher. it means"please care better for my son/daughter"
I said, I do not agree with my son will bring red envelope to teacher. flower ok. Wife said, the teacher salary is too low, so this is just small help. okay, 20 kids in a classroom, each one at least 500 in hongbao. so its 10.000 just in a while. happy teachers day huh ? no, no in kindergaden f@ck. do not teach them so early this sh!t. Teacher, basicly do his job because he like to do this job. the salary is ussualy the second thing. of course, in other places. And, in fact, teracher should care about each kids equally. if every one pay extra money, every kids have extra care. means same as before payment :D no point in this.
dom87:
retarded system. the teachers suck anyways no matter if you pay them or not. the kids learn nothing and get punched.
i would rather punch the teachers than bribe them
Scandinavian:
the kindergarten teacher likely has not chosen to be a kindergarten teacher based on some desire to work with children, like the nurses are not Florence Nightingale's and the PFY at Starbucks does not aspire to be the next Francesco Sanapo.
It doesn't matter what line of work. People are only interested in getting a new iPhone as easily as possible.
dom87:
no excuse if you dont wanna do the job you have 2 choices:
quit your job and get a new one that you like
deal with it
if i could choose again i wouldnt want to study electrical engineering again, probably would study architecture. so the funny thing is i cant change my job because i need money and cant do a distance study as its not allowed for architecture. shit happens.
i deal with it and arrange my life with my job and i dont get extra pays so that i actually do my job. thats what my salary is for every month.
lol these chinese...
Nessquick:
Hey dom, I am electrician too btw. If we could change ... but, we can't.
The nice part is that we can choose what is our major and we learn what we like to learn :-)
Here, i do not know, but to be teacher, you have to like it, this can not someone choose for you.
private one, yes, there they hire any possible kid, which is willing to work without contract for low pay.
dom87:
you are right, we at least have the choice of our major but still many make the wrong decision. And now I am getting to old or I cant live without earning money anymore 
Sure if you go to local hospital and line up with the rest. If you have insurance which you should have no bribing is needed.
It is like most of the stuff I read on this site. China Bashing. Why are you all so ant-Chinese if you living there? Just a bunch of hypocrites. I have spent a lot of time in Chinese hospitals ( my mother-in law was hospitalized in Nanning for over 5 years) Can you imagine what that would have cost in the good old USA? I never saw any evidence of bribery in the modern 28 story hospital, that puts all the hospitals in the US to shame and she was there for five years?
dom87:
i can tell you what it would cost in germany
exactly ZERO Euro. Why? because we have a fucking health system.
Guess what we dont have to pay our doctors extra that they dont let us die. Guess what our people give the doctor flowers because they got treated nice and the doctor say thank you but doesnt expect it before he operates you.
Some people really should think about the basics of life and that not everything is the correct way because here its different. If you dont complain never something will change
Scandinavian:
dom, in Germany (and the civilized part of Europe generally) 5 year hospitalizations don't really happen that often. There will be other options than to just get stuck in a hospital bed. The Chinese hospitals do whatever they can to keep the patients, as this gives them revenue there is no motivation to get people home. Where you have actual government funded hospital systems, budgets are usually based on cost per patient, this means that a patient will go home as soon as possible (if not earlier, which is then the downfall of this model)
Anyway, the big problem in Chinese hospitals is not the funding, through bribing or not, but the fact that a lot of people working in the hospitals do not know what they are doing.
There was an answer from a couple of years ago - but it's been taken down/archived but I do have the following:
Top 80 hospitals in China
Rank
Hospital
Location
1
鍖椾含鍗忓拰鍖婚櫌
Peking Union Medical College Hospital
Beijing
2
鍥涘窛澶у鍗庤タ鍖婚櫌
Sichuan University Huaxi Hospital
Chengdu
3
涓浗浜烘皯瑙ｆ斁鍐涙€诲尰闄�
General Hospital of PLA
Beijing
4
涓婃捣浜ら€氬ぇ瀛﹀尰瀛﹂櫌闄勫睘鐟為噾鍖婚櫌
Shanghai Jiaotong University Medical School Ruijin Hospital
Shanghai
5
澶嶆棪澶у闄勫睘鍗庡北鍖婚櫌
Fudan University Huashan Hospital
Shanghai
6
绗洓鍐涘尰澶у瑗夸含鍖婚櫌
No. 4 Military Medical University Xijing Hospital
Xi’an
7
鍖椾含澶у绗竴鍖婚櫌
Peking University First Hospital
Beijing
8
澶嶆棪澶у闄勫睘涓北鍖婚櫌
Fudan University Zhongshan Hospital
Shanghai
9
涓北澶у闄勫睘绗竴鍖婚櫌
Zhongshan University First Hospital
Guangzhou
10
鍖椾含澶у浜烘皯鍖婚櫌
Peking University People’s Hospital
Beijing
11
鍗庝腑绉戞妧澶у鍚屾祹鍖诲闄㈤檮灞炲悓娴庡尰闄�
Huazhong University of Science and Technology, Tongji Medical School, Tongji Hospital
Wuhan
12
绗簩鍐涘尰澶у闀挎捣鍖婚櫌
No. 2 Military Medical School Changhai Hospital
Shanghai
13
鍗庝腑绉戞妧澶у鍚屾祹鍖诲闄㈤檮灞炲崗鍜屽尰闄�
Huazhong University of Science and Technology, Tongji Medical School, Xiehe Hospital
Wuhan
14
鍖椾含澶у绗笁鍖婚櫌
Peking University Third Hospital
Beijing
15
涓浗鍖诲绉戝闄㈤槣澶栧績琛€绠＄梾鍖婚櫌
Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, Fuwai Cardiovascular Disease Hospital
Beijing
16
涓浗鍖荤澶у闄勫睘绗竴鍖婚櫌
China Medical University First Hospital
Shenyang
17
棣栭兘鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鍖椾含瀹夎礊鍖婚櫌
Capital University of Medical Sciences, Beijing Anzhen Hospital
Beijing
18
涓崡澶у婀橀泤鍖婚櫌
Zhongnan University Xiangya Hospital
Changsha
19
娴欐睙澶у鍖诲闄㈤檮灞炵涓€鍖婚櫌
Zhejiang University Medical School First Hospital
Zhejiang
20
涓崡澶у婀橀泤浜屽尰闄�
Zhongnan University Xiangya Second Hospital
Changsha
21
涓婃捣浜ら€氬ぇ瀛﹀尰瀛﹂櫌闄勫睘浠佹祹鍖婚櫌
Shanghai Jiaotong University Medical School Renji Hospital
Shanghai
22
涓婃捣浜ら€氬ぇ瀛﹀尰瀛﹂櫌闄勫睘绗節浜烘皯鍖婚櫌
Shanghai Jiaotong University Medical School Ninth People’s Hospital
Shanghai
23
鍗楁柟鍖婚櫌
Southern Hospital
Guangzhou
24
澶嶆棪澶у闄勫睘鑲跨槫鍖婚櫌
Fudan University Shanghai Cancer Center
Shanghai
25
涓婃捣浜ら€氬ぇ瀛﹀尰瀛﹂櫌闄勫睘绗叚浜烘皯鍖婚櫌
Shanghai Jiaotong University Medical School Sixth People’s Hospital
Shanghai
26
绗笁鍐涘尰澶у瑗垮崡鍖婚櫌
No. 3 Military Medical University Xinan Hospital
Chongqing
27
涓浗鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鐩涗含鍖婚櫌
China Medical University Shengjing Hospital
Shenyang
28
绗簩鍐涘尰澶у闀垮緛鍖婚櫌
No. 2 Military Medical University Changzheng Hospital
Shanghai
29
棣栭兘鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鍖椾含鍚屼粊鍖婚櫌
Capital University of Medical Sciences, Beijing Tongren Hospital
Beijing
30
棣栭兘鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鍖椾含鍎跨鍖婚櫌
Capital University of Medical Sciences, Beijing Children’s Hospital
Beijing
31
棣栭兘鍖荤澶у瀹ｆ鍖婚櫌
Capital University of Medical Sciences, Xuanwu Hospital
Beijing
32
澶嶆棪澶у闄勫睘鍎跨鍖婚櫌
Fudan University Pediatric Hospital
Shanghai
33
鍗椾含鍐涘尯鍗椾含鎬诲尰闄�
Nanjing General Hospital of the Nanjing Military Area
Nanjing
34
棣栭兘鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鍖椾含澶╁潧鍖婚櫌
Capital University of Medical Sciences, Beijing Tiantan Hospital
Beijing
35
灞变笢澶у娴庨瞾鍖婚櫌
Shandong University Jilu Hospital
Jinan
36
澶嶆棪澶у闄勫睘鐪艰€抽蓟鍠夌鍖婚櫌
Fudan University EENT Hospital
Shanghai
37
涓婃捣浜ら€氬ぇ瀛﹀尰瀛﹂櫌闄勫睘鏂板崕鍖婚櫌
Shanghai Jiaotong University Medical School Xinhua Hospital
Shanghai
38
涓北澶у闄勫睘绗笁鍖婚櫌
Zhongshan University Third Hospital
Guangzhou
39
鑻忓窞澶у闄勫睘绗竴鍖婚櫌
Suzhou University First Hospital
Suzhou
40
閲嶅簡鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鍎跨鍖婚櫌
Chongqing University of Medical Sciences Children’s Hospital
Chongqing
41
涓北澶у鑲跨槫闃叉不涓績
Zhongshan University Cancer Center
Guangzhou
42
姹熻嫃鐪佷汉姘戝尰闄�
Jiangsu Province People’s Hospital
Nanjing
43
骞夸笢鐪佷汉姘戝尰闄�
Guangdong Province People’s Hospital
Guangzhou
44
涓北澶у涓北鐪肩涓績
Zhongshan University Zhongshan Ophthalmology Center
Guangzhou
45
涓棩鍙嬪ソ鍖婚櫌
China-Japan Friendship Hospital
Beijing
46
澶╂触鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鑲跨槫鍖婚櫌
Tianjin University of Medical Sciences Cancer Hospital
Tianjin
47
棣栭兘鍖荤澶у闄勫睘鍖椾含鏈濋槼鍖婚櫌
Capital University of Medical Sciences, Beijing Chaoyang Hospital
Beijing
48
鍗椾含澶у鍖诲闄㈤檮灞為紦妤煎尰闄�
Nanjing University Medical School Gulou Hospital
Nanjing
49
澶╂触鍖荤澶у鎬诲尰闄�
Tianjin University of Medical Sciences General Hospital
Tianjin
50
姝︽眽澶у浜烘皯鍖婚櫌
Wuhan University People’s Hospital
Wuhan
51
涓浗鍖诲绉戝闄㈣娑插鐮旂┒鎵€
Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, Institute of Hematology
Beijing
52
娴欐睙澶у鍖诲闄㈤檮灞炵浜屽尰闄�
Zhejiang University Medical School Second Hospital
Zhejiang
53
妗傛灄澶у绗竴鍖婚櫌
Guilin University First Hospital
Guilin
54
閲嶅簡鍖荤澶у闄勫睘绗竴鍖婚櫌
Chongqing University of Medical Sciences First Hospital
Chongqing
55
娴欐睙澶у鍖诲闄㈤檮灞炲浜х鍖婚櫌
Zhejiang University Medical School Women’s Hospital
Zhejiang
56
鍖椾含澶у鍙ｈ厰鍖婚櫌
Peking University School of Stomatology
Beijing
57
涓北澶у闄勫睘绗簩鍖婚櫌
Zhongshan University Second Hospital
Guangzhou
58
涓婃捣浜ら€氬ぇ瀛﹀尰瀛﹂櫌闄勫睘涓婃捣鍎跨鍖婚櫌
Shanghai Jiaotong University Medical School, Shanghai Children’s Hospital
Shanghai
59
绗洓鍐涘尰澶у鍙ｈ厰鍖婚櫌
No. 4 Military Medical University Stomatology Hospital
Xi’an
60
涓浗鍖诲绉戝闄㈣偪鐦ゅ尰闄�
Cancer Hospital of Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences Hospital
Beijing
61
娴欐睙澶у鍖诲闄㈤檮灞炲効绔ュ尰闄�
Zhejiang University Medical School Children’s Hospital
Zhejiang
62
鍝堝皵婊ㄥ尰绉戝ぇ瀛﹂檮灞炵浜屽尰闄�
Harbin University of Medical Sciences Second Hospital
Harbin
63
骞垮窞鍖诲闄㈢涓€闄勫睘鍖婚櫌
Guangzhou Medical School First Affiliated Hospital
Guangzhou
64
涓浗浜烘皯瑙ｆ斁鍐涚涓夐浂浜屽尰闄�
China PLA 302 Hospital
Beijing
65
涓浗鍖诲绉戝闄㈡暣褰㈠绉戝尰闄�
Plastic Surgery Hospital, Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences
Beijing
66
绗洓鍐涘尰澶у鍞愰兘鍖婚櫌
No. 4 Military Medical University Tangdu Hospital
Xi’an
67
鍖椾含鍦板潧鍖婚櫌
Beijing Ditan Hospital
Beijing
68
鍖椾含绉按娼尰闄�
Beijing Jishuitan Hospital
Beijing
69
鍝堝皵婊ㄥ尰绉戝ぇ瀛﹂檮灞炵涓€鍖婚櫌
Harbin University of Medical Sciences First Hospital
Harbin
70
涓滄柟鑲濊儐澶栫鍖婚櫌
Eastern Hepatic Surgery Hospital
Shanghai
71
鍖椾含澶у鑲跨槫鍖婚櫌
Peking University Cancer Hospital
Beijing
72
鍥涘窛澶у鍗庤タ绗簩鍖婚櫌
Sichuan University Huaxi Second Hospital
Chengdu
73
鍥涘窛澶у鍗庤タ鍙ｈ厰鍖婚櫌
Sichuan University Huaxi Stomatology Hospital
Chengdu
74
涓婃捣甯傜簿绁炲崼鐢熶腑蹇�
Shanghai Mental Health Center
Shanghai
75
姝︽眽澶у鍙ｈ厰鍖婚櫌
Wuhan University Stomatology Hospital
Wuhan
76
瀹夊窘鍖荤澶у绗竴闄勫睘鍖婚櫌
Anhui University of Medical Sciences First Affiliated Hospital
Anhui
77
绗笁鍐涘尰澶у鏂版ˉ鍖婚櫌
No. 3 Military Medical University Xinqiao Hospital
Chongqing
78
灞变笢鐪佺珛鍖婚櫌
Shandong Provincial Hospital
Jinan
79
灞变笢鐪佽偪鐦ゅ尰闄�
Shandong Province Cancer Hospital
Jinan
80
澶嶆棪澶у闄勫睘濡囦骇绉戝尰闄�
Fudan University Women’s Hospital
Shanghai
Source: xinmin
You can get medical care without bribery if it's something simple but if you need to stay in hospital then you need to get with program - because they'll leave you to die in the cold.
