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Q: do you really love your country?

a few days ago a question was posted: would you leave if there was a war? one of the chinese posters answered I love my country. something about that bugged me, but i could not figure out what. 

i went out today as i often do. into the abyss of spit , shit and piss. (people spitting everywhere, parent encouraging and teaching their children to use the bathroom anywhere) waiting at the bus stop people are hacking and spitting right where everyone walks and stands. on the bus a mother lets her child throw up at and on her seat with out asking anyone for a bag or moving her to the garbage can (no one even attempts to clean up after themselves in china) . the child thens walks around the bus and throws up again while the mother some how finds it funny, vomit in the middle of the bus.. hilarious! i get of the bus and walk around the city parents making their babies crap in the middle of a busy sidewalk. then a thought begins to unravel in my head. 

when usa was attacked on 9-11 people from canada, uk, australia, france and others jumped up to go into battle along side america. these brave souls were willing to give their lives for a country not their own. they were willing to get maimed for a country they probably didn't even love . (thanks cousins since no one really told you thanks)

many chinese proclaim they love china. what the hell does that mean? you sit back and watch your own countrymen treat your entire country (pristine new buses, lavish high class shopping malls, luxurious hotels and apartments) like a toilet, garbage can and sewer . you say nothing. you know it is wrong but you say nothing. but if you see a black person you are quick to yell out racist ignorant remarks. when you see a foreigner with a chinese women you are quick to make rude remarks. 

but when it comes to the treatment of the country you say you love you can't even open your mouth. pathetic. you say you love your country so why do you allow others to regard it as a filthy dumping ground. discard your waste here, this is china. 

outside of china people are willing to go to foreign lands to die for countries they barely even knew. but in china they blindly shout we love our country but don't have the heart to respect their country. 

tell me, why don't you proclaim how much you love your country to the man spitting on the bus next to you? why don't you tell the mother to use a diaper or cloth , because you love your country. what are you afraid of losing a little face?

many men and women have had theirs blown off when they showed how much they loved their country. 

don't tell me you love your country because i watch your actions and i know those are empty words.

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I wonder if they love their country when they callously vandalize each others property and blame it on the Japanese.

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  Jesus, in the past I thought you were just a little mean, but you're not, you actually have serious problems Crimo. I mean, you really do have serious emotional problems. So much hate in you. All this stuff you say about China, you know that's just your own mirror, don't you? You're really talking about your own hateful soul. You need to make some changes in yourself, 'cause you're gonna face a great big light one day, and if you ain't prepared you're gonna get burned by it. Don't worry, i'm not gonna start singing gospel tunes, but you need to find something to clean out all that trash, forget about trash on the damn bus, you got piles of your own to deal with, you've got piles.

  Haha, i'm trying to stay serious here, but saying you've got piles has got me giggling. Best answer when you've got piles/ hemmeroids/ the grapes of wrath, is a bag of frozen pees pressed up against your crack, then take two fingers and push 'em back up. But you've got the sour grapes of wrath alright. Ugly to see. Uglier than anything i've ever seen in China.

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Brilliant question Crimo, probably the best I have ever read on here. I know exactly where you are coming from and totally agree with you. I think the difference is that in the west we are proud of our countries because of the values and ideas they have promoted, although I know a lot of those ideals are being eroded in your home country and mine. It is not so much that we love our individual countries but love the way of life they promote. In China they "love" their country because it is something they are brainwashed into thinking from an early age along with "love" for Mao and the CCP. Their definition of love and our defintion of love come from very different places.

 

I don't always agree with your posts, but your are spot on with this one, many thumbs up.

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Wow, we are going to have fun with this one!!

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All this post serves is to either troll or rally up the Chinese defense force on here. I am all for a healthy debate but more times than not these just turn into every country bashing one another over something completely unrelated to the original question. 

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'...jumped up to go into battle...'. Really? I remember massive anti-war protests, a protracted (dis)engagement at the UN, WMD searches that continued for months without revealing anything and a world in fear of what the US was likely to do.

 

Otherwise, funny and adroit post.

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TL;DR

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Crimo, on other threads it was asked whether you consider yourself a representative of your nation. Sometimes Americans I genuinely know ask me why America is hated and Americans are vilified as loud mouthed, rude, bigots.  Your post is a prime example of why.

 

Did you ever stop to consider that A. not every person in China is constantly doing the things you talk about, (as much as you imply that they are), and B. You are projecting the values and morals of one nation onto another, that is not only an exercise in futility but also a prime example of bigotry.

 

Good day to you, say what you want but there is no point in discussing anything with you! As the saying goes, don't argue with an idiot, as they will reduce the argument to their level and win with experience.

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To be  honest, I have never seen so much indoor spitting and child "potty doing" as I have in China.  True, not all do it, but no one says anything either.

Yes, it happens in the States too, but nowhere nearly as much as over here.

Cannot say in regards to the European countries, as I have not yet been there.

A few years ago, a Masters Degree student spat on the floor in my classroom. When i told him to clean it up, he got all indignant and said "thats ayi's job". I made him clean it up anyway. After all, Ayi has a bad enough job, she certainly does not need us to make it harder. 

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I actually hate alot about my country. Harper and McGuinty run things like a dictatorship. I'm taxed too much. I pay sales tax on benefits that I get on my pay cheque, thats extreme, tax on everything. i think our country is decayed, too much welfare, too much white trash, too many obese people, no one dresses well, even old women curse like punks. We're over regulated. I can't do anything to my house, even change a faucet without breaking the law, if I first don't pay for a permit. There is an army of police looking to enforce petty laws like speeding. You can't ride a bike on a sidewalk, you can't drink a beer in public, yet real crimes like theft and fraud only get slaps on the wrist. We pay for garbage pick up, which was part of property tax, so the more degenerate dump garbage every where. I've seen this in the USA also. The Chinese litter like crazy, but every morning it is swept up, here I have to pick up the litter or look at it forever. And most people are just miserable, always complaining, like I just did.

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Before coming to China, not really. After coming to China, oh god yes.

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I hated it before going to China. I missed it once I got there. Now that I am back...  I wouldn't go as far as saying I love it, but I am ok with it.

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The long and short of it is, yep, I do, like a bear loves wild strawberries! No place is perfect, and if you don't like where you are at, find some place you do. Life is too short to hate where you are living.

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I can't say that I love my country, I don't think I ever did. Am I proud of it? No. But I do try to respect it by recycling, limiting water usage, remembering to turn off lights when I leave a room. Interestingly, the average Chinese person would be doing better than us if they didn't just throw their trash wherever. Chinese people already hang their clothing outside rather than using a dryer. Most of them use public transportation rather than driving a car. They don't take long showers, saving water. It's the companies and corporations that do most of the damage. Yes, Chinese people love their country, although what they love about it, I couldn't really say. What really sucks is all the hoops people have to jump through there, and if they can't jump through them, they get burned. There is a lot more help available in America, but people still get burned, maybe for different reasons.

 

I guess what I'd like to say is that I'm happy to be American because I can be American. If I move to China, speak Chinese fluently, marry a Chinese guy, have children there, denounce my citizenship...even after all that, I will still be a foreigner. If someone from China comes to America and goes through that process, they will be American, even though some people may not be so kind to them. So even though I do not quite fit in here, at least I can fit in enough to feel like I am a part of this country. I think that is something worth loving.

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I Love China and I Love my Country as well.

There are always strength and weaknesses in all countries and it’s my moral and social duty to respect other countries specially the country where I am earning my bread.

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I put it like this. I never realized how awesome my life was and how awesome my country was until I moved to China.

 

Every countries have its positives and negatives. I lot of Chinese people always ask me if I like America better or China better. I'm usually honest and say I like America slightly better, if anything though that's just cause it's my home so I have more friends/family there and it's easier for me to live my life there because I understand how everything works and speak the language.

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I appreciate the thought, if not the delivery, Crimo. I agree.  I think the problem with China is they don't own their land.  This country is not theirs, they just exist in it.  If Mao says everyone has to move from the city to the countryside (for whatever political reason), off they go to the countryside, leaving the city to become a wasteland.  If Mao says your village has to go, the obedient tenants of China quickly vacate their forefather's hometown for other pastures.  This is the existence of China.  Their history is filled with uncertainty and distrust.  They cannot own property and must get approval from the government for almost every move they make.   How can they get passionate about their country like Americans when they are treated like herd animals?

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