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Q: Does China need 'western' police to fix its corruption problems?

I reckon, there's almost no chance (in any short space of time) that the Chinese themselves will be able to get rid of corruption - whether the low-level stuff, or in particular the stuff way up at the very (and I mean VERY) top of politics.

 

Should China bring in outside help... you know, the one's proven to be less likely to accept bribes and all that, to fix it? If Xi is serious about the corruption problem, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do - go to an outside force??

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Outsiders will never be able to fix China's issues.  When the Chinese people have truly had enough, they will take care of it themselves.

 

The key to anti(or at least greatly reduced) corruption is enforced transparency.  And transparency is a huge, ugly task for China.  One that will most likely not happen in any of our life times.

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find the right group of chinese people and give them full authority. investigate, arrest, prosecute , judge, and they need to run the jails. make it law that the govt has no authority over them except to make sure they are not abusing power. maybe they need to be pulled from hong kong though.

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Okay, so like Judge Dred.

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China won't allow outsiders to do any job that they can possibly have a Chinese do. You really think they would let foreign police in? On the other hand, "should" they is another question altogether, I suppose it couldn't make the corruption any worse...

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You are forgetting face. Police corruption is rampant all over the world. Look at Mexico and most of the African countries. China will never go outside to correct corruption. Who would they go to? Franck3

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yes africa and mexico are shining examples of the rest of the world. 

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Franck: Thinking that corruption only refers to police shows a very narrow minded perspective on the issues in question. Police corruption is a very small part of the corruption in China. The main issues in China are in the mainstream - business and government.

 

A certain amount of police corruption is expected, tolerated and even encouraged in police forces, considering the clientele police deal with. A squeaky clean cop would soon lose the edge over criminals, if that cop is expecting 100% conformance with the law. The best one can hope for is to achieve an optimal balance between law and disorder - the level where society is functioning at an acceptable level. It will never be 100% law abiding.

 

When a community is failing to operate at an optimal level (usually because of corruption), and skews too far away from the desired level of lawfulness, then a national government will often dissolve the local government, and declare martial law in that area. When a national government collapses and is unable to keep functioning, the United Nations will often send in peace keeping forces, including external police officers, to restore law and order to a level that is acceptable to the international community.

 

I can see no reason why the UN will not do the same when China's government eventually collapses. The international community have done it in the past to Germany and Japan, which were much more powerful at the time than China is now.

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Traveler

are you sure you are not talking about the

Queensland Police Service in the 1980s and 90s?

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Who's seen Underbelly??? :)

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Yep. And when the Queensland Government identified the corruption, they brought in Police from interstate to deal with it. When the NSW government identified rampant corruption, they brought in Peter Ryan from Scotland Yard to serve as Police Commissioner. When the Victorian government identified corruption, they too brought in an interstate commissioner to address it. So bringing is outsiders is an accepted and proven way of dealing with corruption.

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I have seen other articles mention a police force instead of the Chengguan,  but even police forces have been known to be highly corrupt, and I think we all know that China would not allow 'western' forces/advisors in at a local level to fix something that can be easily fixed/reformed.   Isn't the Chengguan police but with Chinese characteristics?

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"can be easily fixed/reformed"

 

Easily??? Which China are you living in?? How do you expect reform and change (for the better), when the very ones talking about reform are the ones who most need to change - and are most resistant to it???

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