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Q: Does China still have covid 19?

I live in Shenzhen Longgang,some people wear masks some people dont.does China still have the virus or does no one reeally give a shit about it any more?

I just dont think a virus goes away,

some children go to school without a mask on some children wear masks to school.,when you go to a department store you need to wear a mask and get your temp checked.

but in kindergartens and schools not it doesnt seem to happen anymore.

 

has the virus gone from China?

just feel people here in China are way to relaxed about it.

3 years 17 weeks ago in  General  - China

 
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I think people have mostly stopped giving a shit about it.

If you are younger than 80 and reasonably healthy you have 99% chance of recovery. That's even better than 95% efficiency of the new vaccines. I'll probably still get vaccinated anyway.

Stiggs:

I think this (northern hemisphere) winter will be the big test that answers a lot of questions and decides how the world deals with covid.

 

If the health systems can't handle the pressure and we see the scary predictions play out - over-run health systems, bodies stacked up in trucks, everyone knowing at least one person who has died or being permanently fu*ked by it etc - we'll have to take it seriously and do what it takes to get it under control.

But if it doesn't go down that way I think citizens around the world will pretty much demand their governments open up for business as usual and we learn to live with covid as best we can.

 

Effective vaccines and fast, accurate tests would help a lot. If you can show proof you've had your shots and countries / businesses are able to I.D and turn away anyone who is positive that would go a long way towards the world opening up again.

 

 

3 years 17 weeks ago
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I agree, this northern winter is going to be interesting.

I was talking with my wife this morning about tests. A number of each of our friends have made a big deal about their getting tested.

A test only says that you aren't infected that day. You might catch it on the way out of the hospital.

With the low mortality rate and most people being asymptomatic, should we be being tested to see if we have it even though we aren't sick and almost certainly won't die.

Seems like a bit of a crap virus if you don't get symptoms.

3 years 17 weeks ago
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I actually think that not getting symptoms is what could make this thing the mother of all problems.

 

How many people out there who are infected but don't know it don't give a shit about taking any precautions to ensure they don't spread it? Plenty.

 

"Wear a mask? F*ck you bro, why should I have to, I feel ok and also something something my rights... "  But then they leave the virus all over everything they breathe on or touch that week and before you know it they've given it to 5 other people and each of those people give it to 5 others....

 

I don't know the numbers without googling it but how many people in developed countries alone are elderly or overweight, diabetic, asthmatic, in generally poor health for whatever reason? It's got to be a lot and that's the group that's at risk. It might not kill them but it could still bankrupt them with medical bills or leave them with permanent damage.

 

Over say, a few million positive cases the social harm isn't really noticable but what happens when it spreads like wildfire (as it currently is) and you have tens of millions of positive cases? That's when you might see massive social harm.

3 years 17 weeks ago
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I get your point but if the cases go sky high then the unicorn herd immunity should kick in and it will burn itself out? Dunno.

I'm not an immunologist but I am healthy, reasonably fit, a misanthrope and more than happy to mask up since it is literally the absolute least you can do to keep your own cooties and coof to yourself. So I reckon I'm good.

On a side note, yesterday I received a text message from DFAT (department of foreign affairs and trade) advising me they had reserved seats on a plane leaving Singapore at 0115 Thursday for Aussies in Asia wanting to finally get home. Naturally, the logistics of achieving this were impossible on such short notice for a dozen reasons that should have been obvious even to a clueless government clown. But I suppose they slept well thinking they solved the world's problems.

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I dunno mate, Sweden just reversed their herd immunity plan, it apparantly doesn't work that well.

 

I'm in the same situation though. Very fit and healthy, more than willing to mask up and I'd have no problem getting a vaccine as long as it doesn't make me grow tits or a tumor or something. I'm not too worried about catching it personally.

 

I'm just hoping things get back to somewhere near normal soon, before the global economy gets munted to the point where there's not much left to pick up . My situation isn't bad here but I would like to go off teaching again somewhere before I die and I have friends in North America who are really hurting from this wanker of a virus.

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This was yesterday ... not too far from you ..

 

Hong Kong to shut bars, nightclubs for third time as new ...

 

HONG KONG – Hong Kong will close bars, nightclubs and other entertainment venues for the third time this year, Health Secretary Sophia Chan said on Tuesday as authorities scramble to tackle a renewed rise in coronavirus cases.

Authorities are also reopening a temporary COVID-19 treatment hall near the city’s airport.

On Tuesday, Hong Kong reported 80 new coronavirus cases, taking the total since late January to 5,782 COVID-19 infections and 108 deaths.

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https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-coronavirus-updates-latest-dev...

 

 

 

 

Still cases poping up here and there but it seems like they're keeping it under control.

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The latest update was virus found in the imported frozen food at Shanghai. Please wear mask and practice social distancing until you are vacinated.

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I think people have mostly stopped giving a shit about it.

If you are younger than 80 and reasonably healthy you have 99% chance of recovery. That's even better than 95% efficiency of the new vaccines. I'll probably still get vaccinated anyway.

Stiggs:

I think this (northern hemisphere) winter will be the big test that answers a lot of questions and decides how the world deals with covid.

 

If the health systems can't handle the pressure and we see the scary predictions play out - over-run health systems, bodies stacked up in trucks, everyone knowing at least one person who has died or being permanently fu*ked by it etc - we'll have to take it seriously and do what it takes to get it under control.

But if it doesn't go down that way I think citizens around the world will pretty much demand their governments open up for business as usual and we learn to live with covid as best we can.

 

Effective vaccines and fast, accurate tests would help a lot. If you can show proof you've had your shots and countries / businesses are able to I.D and turn away anyone who is positive that would go a long way towards the world opening up again.

 

 

3 years 17 weeks ago
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I agree, this northern winter is going to be interesting.

I was talking with my wife this morning about tests. A number of each of our friends have made a big deal about their getting tested.

A test only says that you aren't infected that day. You might catch it on the way out of the hospital.

With the low mortality rate and most people being asymptomatic, should we be being tested to see if we have it even though we aren't sick and almost certainly won't die.

Seems like a bit of a crap virus if you don't get symptoms.

3 years 17 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

I actually think that not getting symptoms is what could make this thing the mother of all problems.

 

How many people out there who are infected but don't know it don't give a shit about taking any precautions to ensure they don't spread it? Plenty.

 

"Wear a mask? F*ck you bro, why should I have to, I feel ok and also something something my rights... "  But then they leave the virus all over everything they breathe on or touch that week and before you know it they've given it to 5 other people and each of those people give it to 5 others....

 

I don't know the numbers without googling it but how many people in developed countries alone are elderly or overweight, diabetic, asthmatic, in generally poor health for whatever reason? It's got to be a lot and that's the group that's at risk. It might not kill them but it could still bankrupt them with medical bills or leave them with permanent damage.

 

Over say, a few million positive cases the social harm isn't really noticable but what happens when it spreads like wildfire (as it currently is) and you have tens of millions of positive cases? That's when you might see massive social harm.

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I get your point but if the cases go sky high then the unicorn herd immunity should kick in and it will burn itself out? Dunno.

I'm not an immunologist but I am healthy, reasonably fit, a misanthrope and more than happy to mask up since it is literally the absolute least you can do to keep your own cooties and coof to yourself. So I reckon I'm good.

On a side note, yesterday I received a text message from DFAT (department of foreign affairs and trade) advising me they had reserved seats on a plane leaving Singapore at 0115 Thursday for Aussies in Asia wanting to finally get home. Naturally, the logistics of achieving this were impossible on such short notice for a dozen reasons that should have been obvious even to a clueless government clown. But I suppose they slept well thinking they solved the world's problems.

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I dunno mate, Sweden just reversed their herd immunity plan, it apparantly doesn't work that well.

 

I'm in the same situation though. Very fit and healthy, more than willing to mask up and I'd have no problem getting a vaccine as long as it doesn't make me grow tits or a tumor or something. I'm not too worried about catching it personally.

 

I'm just hoping things get back to somewhere near normal soon, before the global economy gets munted to the point where there's not much left to pick up . My situation isn't bad here but I would like to go off teaching again somewhere before I die and I have friends in North America who are really hurting from this wanker of a virus.

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Supposedly showed up here in Zhejiang about a week ago.  School had everyone masking up and canceled all meetings (though not classes).  No mention of it since, around here u have 65% Ss mask, 70+% Staff; 90% Security; Canteen staff pushing 100% ; 10% Maintenance,,, and the old Maintenance fks,,, 0.1% as usual.....

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cases-idUSKB...

 

BEIJING (Reuters) - China on Sunday reported 11 new coronavirus cases in the mainland for Nov. 28, compared with six cases a day earlier, the health authority said.

All of the new infections were imported cases, the National Health Commission said in a statement. There were no new deaths.

China also reported 10 new asymptomatic patients, compared with four a day earlier.

As of Nov. 28, mainland China had a total of 86,512 confirmed coronavirus cases, it said.

China’s death toll from the coronavirus remained unchanged at 4,634.

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This Chinese study seems very handy for China-one-policy ...

There's nowhere else to report  about the testicles ... 

 

New Chinese Study Confirms COVID-19 Attacks Testicles, May Affect Male Fertility

 

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Quinn68:

I don't think all the young Americans (18-35) who acquired Covid by not wearing a mask fully appreciate the long term/permanent implications of it. They experienced mild to moderate symptoms and then got over it. Or did they? The list of long term/permanent effects of Covid is growing as researchers uncover them. Some of them seemingly bizzare, others gravely concerning. I suspect 10-15 years down the road there will be a plethora of people with lung, heart, and neurological diseases, along with reprodutive issues.

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I just read few days ago that there is a new, very infectious strain/mutation emerged in UK ...  

 

The worst will be the side effects of vaccines ...

 

 

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'AP' stands for Associated Press ... broken heart

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/chinas-clampdown-covid-19-origins-exp...

 

 

China's Clampdown On COVID-19 Origins Exposed As AP Journalists Tailed, Samples Seized

As the World Health Organization and other China puppets struggle to assemble a 'natural origin' theory for COVID-19, the CCP has been going to great lengths to quash non-sanctioned investigations that may instead point to a lab escape from research facilities which made international headlines in 2015 for dangerous 'gain-of-function' research - by which they were manipulating coronaviruses to better infect humans.

'Batwoman' Shi Zhengli, known for bioengineering bat coronaviruses, was criticized over dangerous 'gain-of-function' experiments

And while mainstream news outlets spent the better part of 2019 flatly rejecting lab-origin evidence as 'debunked conspiracy theories' - which earned ZeroHedge a temporary Twitter ban and a plethora of social media warning labels and 'fact checks' (including one from a former Wuhan Lab workerthe same mainstream outlets are now finding China's suppression of COVID-19 origin theories suspicious.

As part of their investigation, AP interviewed dozens of Chinese and foreign scientists and officials, while also reviewing leaked emails, internal data, as well as documents from China's CDC and cabinet. And what did they find? "A pattern of government secrecy and top-down control that has been evident throughout the pandemic."

...for scientists and journalists, it has become a black hole of no information because of political sensitivity and secrecy.

A bat research team visiting recently managed to take samples but had them confiscated, two people familiar with the matter said. Specialists in coronaviruses have been ordered not to speak to the press. And a team of Associated Press journalists was tailed by plainclothes police in multiple cars who blocked access to roads and sites in late November.

More than a year since the first known person was infected with the coronavirus, an AP investigation shows the Chinese government is strictly controlling all research into its origins, clamping down on some while actively promoting fringe theories that it could have come from outside China. -Associated Press

Let's quickly review the world's easiest game of connect-the-dots:

  • Peng Zhou, Wuhan Institute of Virology's head of Bat Virus Infection and Immunization, was researching "the molecular mechanism that allows Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses to lie dormant for a long time without causing diseases," while a press release from his lab was titled "How bats carry viruses without getting sick."
  • Zhou's colleague, Shi Zhengli, has been involved in bioengineering bat coronaviruses - co-authoring a controversial 2015 paper which described the creation of a new virus by combining a coronavirus found in Chinese horseshoe bats with another that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice.

Add to that China's active suppression of lab-origin theories while their partners at the World Health Organization continue to hunt for some heretofore non-existent crossover species, and it doesn't take Matlock to figure out that the official narrative is severely flawed.

The government is handing out hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants to scientists researching the virus’ origins in southern China and affiliated with the military, the AP has found. But it is monitoring their findings and mandating that the publication of any data or research must be approved by a new task force managed by China’s cabinet, under direct orders from President Xi Jinpingaccording to internal documents obtained by the AP. A rare leak from within the government, the dozens of pages of unpublished documents confirm what many have long suspected: The clampdown comes from the top.

As a result, very little has been made public. Authorities are severely limiting information and impeding cooperation with international scientists-Associated Press

"What did they find?" asks Duke University epidemiologist, Gregory Gray, who oversees a lab in China studying the transmission of infectious diseases from animals to people. "Maybe their data were not conclusive, or maybe they suppressed the data for some political reason. I don’t know … I wish I did."

Coronavirus found in horseshoe bat feces from a Yunnan cave, collected by the WIV team known for manipulating bat coronaviruses, was found to be 96.2% identical to SARS-CoV-2

Scientists familiar with China's public health system say the CCP's standard operating procedure of information control and censorship apply to all aspects of COVID-19 research.

"They only select people they can trust, those that they can control," said one public health expert who works regularly with China's CDC. "Military teams and others are working hard on this, but whether it gets published all depends on the outcome."

According to the report, Beijing worries that investigations will also reveal that they were negligent in the spread of the virus.

Some public health experts warn that China’s refusal to grant further access to international scientists has jeopardized the global collaboration that pinpointed the source of the SARS outbreak nearly two decades ago. Jonna Mazet, a founding executive director of the UC Davis One Health Institute, said the lack of collaboration between Chinese and U.S. scientists was “a disappointment” and the inability of American scientists to work in China “devastating.”

There’s so much speculation around the origins of this virus,” Mazet said. “We need to step back...and let scientists get the real answer without the finger-pointing.” -Associated Press

Steering the narrative

Now that AP has caught up and corroborated what we've been reporting on ad nauseam - albeit via burning their own hand on the stove - they're also piecing together the enormous disinformation campaign employed by Beijing to try and control the narrative.

After the initial batch of COVID-19 cases were traced to the Hunan Seafood market in Wuhan, authorities began collecting samples for analysis - finding that 33 out of 585 environmental samples tested positive for the virus.

"This corona(virus) is very close to SARS," wrote Canadian microbiologist Gary Kobinger, a WHO adviser, according to internal China CDC data obtained by AP. "If we put aside an accident ... then I would look at the bats in these markets (sold and ‘wild’)."

Then, "As the virus continued spreading rapidly into February, Chinese scientists published a burst of research papers on COVID-19. Then a paper by two Chinese scientists proposed without concrete evidence that the virus could have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory near the market. It was later taken down, but it raised the need for image control."

Internal documents show that the state soon began requiring all coronavirus studies in China to be approved by high-level government officials — a policy that critics say paralyzed research efforts.

A China CDC lab notice on Feb. 24 put in new approval processes for publication under “important instructions” from Chinese President Xi Jinping. Other notices ordered CDC staff not to share any data, specimens or other information related to the coronavirus with outside institutions or individuals.

Then on March 2, Xi emphasized “coordination” on coronavirus research, state media reported.

The next day, China’s cabinet, the State Council, centralized all COVID-19 publication under a special task forceThe notice, obtained by the AP and marked “not to be made public,” was far more sweeping in scope than the earlier CDC notices, applying to all universities, companies and medical and research institutions.

The order said communication and publication of research had to be orchestrated like “a game of chess” under instructions from Xi, and propaganda and public opinion teams were to “guide publication.” It went on to warn that those who publish without permission, “causing serious adverse social impact, shall be held accountable.” -Associated Press

"The regulations are very strict, and they don’t make any sense," said one former China DCD deputy director on condition of anonymity. "I think it’s political, because people overseas could find things being said there that might contradict what China says, so it’s all being controlled."

And after thousands of samples were taken from the Hunan Seafood market, no findings were ever made public. Yet, on May 25, CDC chief Gao Fu finally broke the silence - telling China's Phoenix TV that no animal samples from the market had tested positive, ruling out the market as the likely source of the virus despite its link to the majority of new cases in the region.

China’s government-controlled media used the theory to suggest the original outbreak in Wuhan could have started with seafood imported from abroad — a notion international scientists reject. WHO has said it is very unlikely that people can be infected with COVID-19 via packaged food, and that it is “highly speculative” to suggest COVID-19 did not start in China. Bi did not respond to requests for an interview, and China has not provided enough virus samples for a definitive analysis.

We would be remiss if we didn't note that the now-destroyed Wet Market was located roughly 900 feet from a China CDC aboratory where they were experimenting on bat coronavirus.

Read the rest of AP's report here.

 

 

 

 

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 "Russians did it .." 

 

Russia Developing "Highly Efficient Antidote" To Fight COVID, Preclinical Tests Show 99% Effectiveness

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"This is the first etiotropic drug that directly affects the virus."

 

 

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China admits cases in Wuhan was 10 times higher.

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Further to your question Rob....There are new cases popping up near Beijing and provinces further north, this just before spring festival which would have to be almost the worst possible time for it to happen.

 

If anyone has travel plans over the festival you should probably be ready to cancel them just in case, people I know are already talking about possible lockdowns coming.

 

 

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@ Stiggs    Add Comment button doesn't work for me

As of this week, security at my apartment complex will not allow anyone through the gate (either way) without a mask and temperature check due to spring festival coming and outbreaks occuring around the country. From the end of this month, only family members of residents will be allowed to enter the complex.

Was this a surprise?

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-chinese-coronavirus-vaccine-efficacy-brazil.html

Stiggs:

Let's hope they're close to a mk2 version of the vaccine, or are buying a better one or something.

 

 

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