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Q: Does China use more renewable energy technology than the U.S.?

Even though the pollution is awful in China and many parts of the country still run on coal, is China more in line with adopting environment-friendly technology than the U.S.?

11 years 45 weeks ago in  Web & Technology - China

 
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This is because Western Governments obsessed with budget deficits and facing anti-government constituencies are unable to implement significant renewable technology projects.

 

Even so, I haven't seen any real renewable resource investment anywhere in the world. Maybe China's is higher than the USA but it doesn't really matter. The problem is energy usage more than production.

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Beetle, recently some anti-western and so-called 'liberal enviro' types put out articles and opinions suggesting that 'the rest of the world, particularly in Asia' were switching to so-called 'Renewable Energy'. 

It seems to me the 'propaganda' idea is that the western countries will feel some sense of shame or 'backwardness' and begin to reject oil production. At the same time push their representatives to dump money into windmills or solar power etc.

I cannot find any real backing to this claim.

           It IS possible that you can use 'statistical tricks' to make anything 'not wrong'. For example: 

Alberta Canada already invested heavily into wind-power research, technology, construction and built the 'wind-farms'. 10 years ago. And has been testing and monitoring them for years already. 

Technically speaking:  They now invest 'zero'. Well, because they already did. Its now done. 

China (for example) may be just beginning to invest and experiment here in 2012. So, statistically speaking, you can say, in 2012 are 'investing 100 times more'. Well yes. You see the idea here?

             Of course, a lot of this needs to hang on a term which might not mean much anyways. 'Renewable'. 

Realistically, Wind Turbines are definitely not 'renewable'. They require constant maintance, oil and little armies of trucks and mechanics and they will (eventually) rust and break requiring remanufacturing, shipping etc. 

Solar panels also require a tremendous amount of energy to actually make (the actual 'stuff' itself) transport, install, maintain. The best ones will also be in land-fills in about 30 years. (about the same time they 'pay off' energy conservation).

Natural Gas and Oil. Well, technically we cannot call them 'as renewable' as the Sun or Wind (which we suppose will last over 1 million years or more),

however,

For example: There is enough oil soaked into the ground (called 'oilsands' or 'bitumen') in Canada to fully supply THE ENTIRE WORLDS ENERGY NEEDS for (brace yourself) about 300 years!

But realistically we have far far far more in gas and oil at only the sites discovered on the Earth today. 

*Keep in mind, this is just the deposits we have discovered up until 2012 and can access using 2012 technology (which improves constantly).

Now add to that some fairly new discoveries:  Example, after 'fracking' (emptying out) a huge underwater natural gas supply something amazing happened:

It refilled itself!

And then it kept refilling itself!

This baffled researchers who did not believe there was some kind of 'extra reservoirs' and then started making them rethink the entire beliefs. It seems the Earth itself, may, sometimes, be simply pushing up more and more.

                    So, what we are facing is this idea:  natural gas and oil are 'practically renewable' sources of energy. At the rate we are going there appears to be no end of gas and oil for the forseeable future of...  maybe 3000 years? Maybe 10,000 years if we assume our technology continues increasing at current rates?

            Making 'gas and oil' the most efficient and safest known sources of 'virtually renewable energy' we have today. 

          

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Green energy is not really better to the environment. 

Wind Power - The vast amount of land used to create enough power for a town. This can create deforestation and disrupts migrating patterns for animals and many other reasons.

Solar Power - As above.

Bio-Energy - As above.

Hydro - The flooding of towns, the destruction of fisheries and natural habitats.

USA has invested heavily like other countries to develop clean coal which greatly reduces the emissions from coal plants. Then China will probably buy the technology for its own use like High Speed Rail.

 

 

jknox00:

I don't like to mention this but talking to some people at our local 'wind farms'. They call them 'bird blenders'. These are bird-killing machines and even worse - many of those birds die horrible long-slow torturous deaths. Add to that you also mentioned it messes with migration, flight patterns and even just the natural daily things birds/bugs/bats all 'would' be doing in those areas if not for massive unnatural steel structures whirring and slaughtering away.

 

 

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