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Q: Excuse me, can you tell me where the dumpster is to throw away my child?

Jinan opened an orphanage for dropping off your unwanted child on June 1st and received 43 kids by the 10th of the month, the response was so great for the government that they had to refuse kids over 1 year old after an announcement on June 4th, the 25th anniversary of sanity in an insane world. Despite the new rule, a wonderful couple wanted to help the government so much that they covered the license plate on their new Audi and dropped of their 6 year old daughter on the street sleeping with a note and 2600 rmb in her purse. what a loving example of patriotism and communal spirit, goodness, I feel goose bumps of adoration.

Officials have 100 beds available for those throwaway children and hope to meet the quota soon.

In other news last year, Guangzhou met their quoto of 260 children in six weeks and closed the limited offer for taking anymore crumb crunchers until further notice.

So remember folks, the government provides child drop off dumpsters for your child and plans to have one in your town soon, because we care and know what is best for you.

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....meanwhile. Sex education in schools is not really there. I am sure there are some great TCM remidies for unwanted pregnancy. 

 

I fucking hate how Chinese take care of their children. The old couple in our building that has two little boys living there permanently. Last time I met the douche who fathered them, we talked a bit (he practices English it seems) I asked him where he lives.... They live in an apartment less than 4km away from here, yet he only sees his kids maybe once each weekend. 

The old guy taking care of the kids actually seems to be really good. The bigger of the boys have a half day, go out and do stuff with granddaddy, kite flying, biking, playing with remote controlled cars, point at foreigners etc. So in many ways the kid is in good hands. Just not the right hands. Both dad and granddad does not have child seats in their cars. 

Hulk:

It's there. They all know they can get pregnant because of biology courses. They learn this in Middle School... at least my wife did. 99% of sexually-active kids in the U.S. know that sex can equal pregnancy, but they do it anyway. The boys forget/don't care due to being young and irresponsible, but the girls want a child so they'll have someone who will finally love them since they aren't getting any love at home.

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Well. In 5th grade we were shown a childbirth, camera all down there, no pixellation of the blood and gore. There are so many things about reproduction that my wife and people around us have no good grasp on. Personally I am sure I am better prepared (hmmm, have of course also watched a lot of adult entertainment as a teenager, I guess that counts)

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When I go outside, I close my eyes and plug my ears.  I don't want to know any more Chinese culture!

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This sad thing is im positive that 99% of these discarded kids are girls. I am certainly agnostic but since coming to China I have begun praying that there is a hell so the Chinese population has somewhere to go. 

JacobJohn:

I believe that too. These children must be girls.

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or handicapped boys. I saw the statistics for the Guangzhou shelter, and a big percentage had misc disabilities. (things that in the west would either have been reason for early termination or that would be OK because people are good enough to take care of special kids) 

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That's a situation when I feel sorry for calling myself a human, because of  my human fellows able to commit these atrocities. What's wrong with these people? Nothing wrong, except they become monsters day by day.

There are exceptions, but they are burned out by the flames of the dragon this nation believes in it. Here is the miracle: due to the very very few good people, this nation finds some grace in the sight of God and any human on the face of this planet. But how China despises the human being, cannot be spelled at all. It's frightening, so frightening. 

 

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The baby banks are a step in the right direction though, even if they seem to be a horrific concept.

 

In Europe, if you have a sick or disabled child, or the parents have no money to support them, there is a tax funded social safety net. Sick child? The hospitals treat them for free. Disabled child? The Government will fund care and help.  No money? The Government will use the tax they collect to give you an income. It's a welfare system I am very proud of. It's a system that protects the weakest and most vulnerable.

 

But when it comes to China, such a system would be very difficult to introduce. Imagine if free healthcare was introduced tomorrow... there would be a billion people lined up outside the hospitals.

 

In the West, it is considered very important for the child to be with the parents. So everything possible is done to make sure that happens.

 

The baby banks here separate the child from the family. That's the horrific part. But I think this is an intentional part of the plan. It makes the baby bank an absolute last resort for any parent. It's a place to go to when all hope is gone and all avenues of help are gone.  In this way, the system is there for those in the worst possible position. At least it gives some hope for the child. Maybe adoption is possible. Maybe medical treatment will save lives.

 

I may sound harsh ( I can't believe how harsh I sound myself), but if the parents were taken in with the child, the baby banks would be inundated with parents looking for a cheaper option than having to pay a 100 RMB hospital bill for a drip and a pack of pills.

 

The more time I spend here, the more I reckon that the real problem is the culture. It's a culture that can't be changed. I hate to imagine how bad the superstitions and strange beliefs were even just a few decades ago.  The Government may have big plans, but overcoming the culture is an issue for them. Because on the one hand they want people to be proud of being Chinese, but on the other hand they will know how damaging the culture is to society. 

 

So yes, baby banks are harsh and barbaric. But it's better than nothing. And it is a step in the right direction.

 

And who know, maybe the children will be reunited with their families.

Hulk:

They are a step in the right direction. A lot of these children end up being adopted all over the world.

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Yup Hulk.

 

Remember Guangzhou is the biggest exporter of adopted babies in the world.

 

Or at least it was a few years ago. I recall the US had a consulate beside the White Swan hotel to deal with all the visa applications.

 

It's so much better if even some babies can be saved rather than all being lost.

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Shamian Island was a great place back then, a break away from overcrowded Guangzhou without having to venture in the cr*ppy countryside, since the White Swan is under renovation and the US consulate moved East to Tianhe (I think) this place has lost most of its shops and life.

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I've seen a lot of these children from different provinces.

The vast majority of them are girls, very few of them are disabled boys. I've never seen an able-bodied boy in one of these shelters. The breakdown, using my crap math, is like this:

 

2% disabled boys

50% able-bodied girls

48% disabled girls

100% shitty parents

 

Some of them have some really bad/mild disabilities/genetic defects such as methemoglobinemia, various forms of ectrodactylyism of the hands/feet, spinal bifida, blindness, deafness, etc.

 

Seeing an 11 year old girl in a wheelchair being adopted for the first time, and the smile and excitement on her face was beautiful. The couple was a Christian couple from the Southern U.S. A lot of these children get adopted by good couples from all over the world, but most of them are still stuck in the orphanages.

 

When my wife got pregnant, she said to me, "If our baby has a problem, I want to keep it. I don't want to abandon our baby." That's one of the many ways that I know I married the right woman. Fortunately, she's fine.

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It is truly sad. How can they give away their baby because it is a girl? 

 

Rather than HELPING these families, they government instead allows them to drop the children off like unwanted goods? 

 

How does this make logical sense? If you drop off a kid, the government still have to pay to feed and shelter them. They have to pay for the medicine and the staff to watch the children. Why not just provide courses in good parenting and aid the parents with finances? Something to turn the situation around rather than just trying to remedy the situation by being a baby dumpster...

 

This government is ridiculous. They spend so much money on stupid crap. Here's my solution. 

 

Fine people for spitting, shitting, pissing and going through red lights (without mercy). Then take the fines and help the children/people in need. Make it public that this is what the money is used for... so the people support the fines and realize they need to change.. OH THAT'S RIGHT! The CCP doesn't really WANT the people to change. They want them dumb and controllable.

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these are soulless people. Giving away a child is really low. 

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Careful Robk. That's socialist talk.

 

And what you describe is exactly what happens in Europe.

 

This is why I think the real problem here is not the management, it's the culture of the people to be managed. If you see what I mean.

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the real crime is that if you want to parent one of these children you are going to pay a pretty penny to adopt.  I know they need to weed out dead beats, but I think a family would have to be pretty bad to not be better than the hard knock life. 

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Question: do the couples who give away their baby girls then go on to try for a second chance to parent a boy?

 

given the current imbalance between the number of girls being born and the number of boys, not to mention the fact there is currently a deficit of women in the country, does no-one see where this sort of 'dumping ground' will lead?

Granted, probably the girls will have an opportunity for a better life with a family that values a child regardless of the sex. In fact I sincerely hope so.

mike695ca:

Yes, in most cases , people who give them up will then go on to try and have a boy. Chinese are so messed up that this is legal in most cases.  Most cities if you have a daughter.... well the one child policy doesnt belong to you. So try again and have a boy.

In some places this goes on indefinatly. I knew a guy who had 7 older sisters. Luckily his parents had money and didnt need to throw any away, but no matter how many, they were going to keep going untill they reach a son. 

 

But the world has a way of equalizing things and for every unwanted daughter, there are 10 unwanted husbands, left to work in some factory for peanuts never to get married as there are no damn women. It pleases me endlessly  to think of a father who dropped of a daughter so he can have a son, and then dying knowing his son will never marry or have children.  Karma is not a bitch. She is a sweet sweet lass. 

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It always astonishes me that no one seems to see the connections between their god awful attitude towards women and the current predicament Chinese society is facing because of  the population imbalance. I've known people to tut over stories about lonely men who can't get a wife, but still insist that they don't want to have a girl. 

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if effort were made to set up a universal pension fund for everyone, then people wouldn't feel this hysterical drive to give birth to a son. right now, laws mandate that children must take care of their parents (your husband's parents, if you are married), and there is no funding or assistance given to make the law feasible. it leads to objectification of women (baby-makers), of men (income providers), of sons (meal ticket) and of daughters (valuable but perishable commodity). unfortunately, i cant imagine a pension fund managed by chinese surviving long enough to provide anyone with pensions. i wouldnt trust any of these greedy ratbastards with such a responsibility, and neither would locals. there is no social capital: no trust, no understanding of the merits of altruism, no confidence in self or other. people reap what they sow, i'm afraid.

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Outstanding answer you're right.

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Soylent Green is coming!

 

Old people will be minced. The more meat the more money. So keep an eye on people fattening up there grandparents!

 

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as of yesterday june 13th the baby dumpster count in jinan is now 103, and rising.

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I would think the foreign adoption business is booming in China for?  Chinese trying to make money off of any and every situation. Well, at least this will reduce their birth rate for at least one generation by 10%-20%.

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