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Q: Exploring the mindset of a nong

There is this wierd phenomenon I have often seen while driving.  Usual younger males  feel empowered by walking in traffic and forcing others to wait for them to amber across.  Its usually either accompanied by a held out hand like that helps or a smirk. This pisses me off so I usually insult them as rudely as I can and one of two things always happen. They ignore it and take the shame of their friends mocking them or they wait till im out of earshot and start screaming at me as im a few hundred meters up the road. This situation works for me. They are angry and I am laughing.  But once in a while you encounter the tough guys,

 

 

Today this guy wasnt walking across the road, he was walking up the road in the center of my lane.  A honk was ignored. So when I drove passed I told him to  $%*& his mothers P&^%$^  .   As usual he ignored this.  This is where it got interesting. At that exact moment I hit a really long red light.  So I got to watch as his frineds came and verified what I had said, his face turned to anger and he started mean mugging my car from 100 meters away!  Then he decides to come back!  This I gotta respect, most people just ignore it. But hes a tough guy.   I love these moments. I cant hit them unless im hit first lest I spend another night in jail but I can make him furious enough to hit me. 

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 he comes up  giving my car the stink eye, stands infront of my car and starts talking shit.  So I get out.  This is where 99.9% of people run.  But he stayed there.  I couldnt believe it.   So I asked him if he had a problem, give him one last out, but he didnt take it.  So In front of all of his coworkers and all of the traffic. ( He was one of those dudes that pass housing fliers to all cars stuck in traffic. )  I grabbed him by his throat and threw him in the  bushes that lined the road.   Now he came to his senses and fucked off.  But this is what gets me.   Im back in my car, traffic moved a little bit so im like 50 meters away but close enough to get out again.  He didnt say shit but at that 50 meter mark he starts losing his mind and talking shit and throwing his fliers.  This I cant understand. 

 

He obviously wasnt a tough guy,  he had his shot and ran away, he didnt come closer to my car to try again, his coworkers saw him humiliated twice and I am easily close enough to get out and kill him again.  So why did he risk it??  At this point you have no face. He didnt know I wasnt a crazy person.  Why would you still talk shit and put yourself in more danger??? Hes a coward and thats clear so what is the show all about???

I cant wrap my head around it. 

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So in short, you assaulted a Chinese guy in front of dozens of witnesses. 

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Don't say it like that. You make it sound awesome.

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So in short, you assaulted a Chinese guy in front of dozens of witnesses. 

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Don't say it like that. You make it sound awesome.

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You know, some people get angry and do crazy stuffs out of anger.

 

Imagine the son of farmers who left a remote village from deep down Guizhou to try his luck in Guangdong. That guy had the hard, mind-numbing days of an under-paid factory worker. Maybe he bumped in even more bullshit than usual. He get envious and angry at those more well-off, feeling injustice. He *wants* some form of justice, somewhere. He want to punish "them". So he walks on the roads, to piss-off those with cars. And that day, he is really angry and won't mind a tussle. That guy might have nothing, just a life of pettyness and no future in front of him. Can he marry ? Can he go back to his parent plenty of face ? That man might only have his pant, his shirt and his anger. Congrats, Mike.

mike695ca:

Where I come from, not having much is no excuse to be a dick. Take your frustration out on someone else, or you know do somethig about not having nothing. Save your empathy for people that deserve it.

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I'm not excusing the guy, I'm proposing an explanation of what might goes on in the mind of the guy. It's your question. I think it's plausible.

Does it excuses the guy ? No. Put through the same life since birth, what are the odds of you or me to end-up behaving like him ? I think, yes, very likely. I would be quite enraged to see my only life wasted like that. Okay, rage can be put to better use. But hey, you put your rage into punching him, he puts his rage at being a dick. A match made in heaven ^^

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Each man is responsible for his own actions and fate. While his fate may suck, he COULD take all that pent up energy and say "screw this crap, I am going to build a business" or "I am going to turn this situation around somehow". But instead he is like "I am going to walk in traffic and hope I get hit by a car, cause I hate my life!"

 

We can psychoanalyze the situation to death but what it comes down to is playing the cards you are dealt, the best you can and this guy is folding and possibly mad at everyone else for it.

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From my experience most of the local dudes are cowards, they remind me of lapdogs, they will bark aggressively from far away or when you turn your back to them, and run away as soon you face them. Sometimes they are too stupid to realize when it's time to run away.

 

No offense to lapdogs, at least they are cute.

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It is good to know that you asserted yourself as a bully, assaulting a guy for yelling at you.  

What a big, manly man you must be.

 

 

 

I hope that someone got it on video.

 

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I do as well. I hope it goes viral and every farmer sees it. And then when you and your girl are crossing the street next time you look both ways.

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It is good to know that you asserted yourself as a bully, assaulting a guy for yelling at you.  

What a big, manly man you must be.

 

 

 

I hope that someone got it on video.

 

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'he comes up  giving my car the stink eye,...' The scumbag was probably figuring, ' I hate rich people, nice car, how much can I squeeze money out of this laowai? But wait, the dashcam recorded everything already. I will bark to vent off my steam, if he backs down I would gain so much face.....I manage to take down a laowai'.

 

These scumbags were banking on your not willing to get involved let alone getting physical with them, standard mode for abusers.

 

Enough is enough with scumbags. 

 

On a larger scale, the same principle applies. I look forward to the day the rest of the world deal with PRC the way you did.

 

It WILL happen.  Enough is enough with scumbags.

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Sounds like like that nong was discovering his balls. or just plain idiot. probably the latter, but I hold out hope it was more than that. definitely not a coward though.

did he misjudge the situation, thinking he could get the crowd riled up against a laowai? We will never know.

neither side was in the right here, of course. that guy was blocking traffic, and you were scrapping for a fight. and you found eachother like long lost soulmates. you had your fun, but then it was time to love and leave, because you aren't right for eachother.

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Sounds like a lot of people here have sympathy for the guy. While I do pity the guy's life, it is of his own making and blocking traffic and cutting people off is extremely frustrating in China.

 

Guys like this just walk in front of tons of oncoming traffic (or if they have cars, they turn in front of it) because they are only thinking about themselves. 

 

So the guy blocked traffic and Mike swore at him. Big deal, the guy deserved it.

 

The guy blocks Mike's car from moving and starts his cowardly Chinese man bull shit. Mike tosses him out of the way (into the bushes, not bad considering concrete hurts much more). Should Mike had just called the police and stood there? So this guy and all his buddies can claim Mike is insulting the Motherland and beat them all up and generally waste his day? In China, if you get into a bad situation... you don't let it stew and cause a bigger scene... you diffuse it immediately and GTFO... and that's what Mike did.

 

To answer Mike's question. "Face" and cowardice don't work together very well but are two elements commonly found in Chinese men. Not all, but many or most. It's like... "I can't back down" mixed with "but I am scared and should get out of here".

 

But as we all know, nature usually beats nurture. And "face" is nurture.

mike695ca:

Bingo! Love the answer. But i just cant understand how chinese never know when to quit. They never can just say " perhaps i deserved that one, my bad". There is no chance to recoup any face. Its obvious he wasnt going to fight. So by yelling at me again it can only possibly have 2 outcomes. 1 i go back and really hurt him or 2 hes yelling at someone who isnt there looking like a fool. I dont get the mindset. Its not one guy behaving erratically. It happens all the time. Im also curious what the coworkers and other people in traffic though. How is any of those two outcomes better than just lowering your head and walking away to lick your wounds?

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Well I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading this...... If Mike is really the testosterone pumping belligerent jock that he claims to be, then good for him but it's just kind of hard to believe that he really pulls off a lot of the stuff he claims to. In recent months he has made claims including:

 

1. screaming at any group of guys at a restaurant that he thinks will be trouble before they actually start any trouble, 

 

2. telling numerous groups of guys in shopping malls to go suck each other off when he thinks they are staring at/talking about him 

 

3. intentionally getting into a car crash with a farmer to try and get the farmer blamed for bad driving 

 

4. deliberately blocking off cars who were driving around him and then getting out of his car to ask people if they have a problem with him 

 

5. putting a sign outside his apartment intended to humiliate his neighbors who were keeping a live chicken at home 

 

and now..... 

 

6. cursing at random people walking on the street and then getting out of his car to pick fights with them 

 

This is all from memory and I did not look through Mike's post history.

 

So how does Mike do it and not get his ass kicked by a group of 10 angry nongs? Is he really that untouchable alpha male testosterone filled balla who nobody will mess with? Is this you Mike? 

 

 

 

mike695ca:

Hahaha fair question but in my defensem the chicken banner story happened years ago. It might have been rehashed. Props on calling me out though. Its an under used tool. I have no way to prove it other than spending 15 minutes with me haha.

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Debating whether or not something happened is pointless because only you know the answer, it's just hard to believe you do all the shit you say you do but oh man if it's true can I please be a fly on the wall of your Audi for a day? 

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Your always welcome! Next time you head south. Bring your lady friend. Going out with my wife increases the odds of fireworks two fold!

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But Mike, are you not displaying the exact same traits as the people you have a go at. They are headstrong and belligerant, so are you. They are living by their rules, so are you. But you are applying different rules.

Why not chill, and avoid such scenes by using your supirior skill to anticipate the way they follow their rules?

Ha ha Smile

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Cant argue with you at all my friend. I know your 100% right. Just not easy. I let 99 things slide and blow at the 100th. Its bound to happen.

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99% is probably maybe too high a blow off level. I blow at 70%. The explosion is not too violent :) . Its more of a silent puff !

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Asked a new question about what pressure the blow off valve should be set to. Sorry for mentioning your name in the question Mike wink

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Its all good my man, i shall misey on over there now.

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I won't get into the rights or wrongs of your situation but I do know what you mean, I've seen it before.

 

Someone does something obviously in the wrong or flat out stupid and get called out on it.

 

But, instead of just walking away and salvaging whatever dignity they can from it, they make a massive scene which attracts onlookers. Now there is no way out and even more face is being lost so they scream more and make the situation even bigger. It's like the only way to save face is go nuclear which loses you even more face, so they start throwing things or attacking people to cover their embarrassment and just make it worse.

 

I saw a women get caught shoplifting once. The security guy or manager or whoever he was kept telling here to open her handbag and she wouldn't so he grabbed it off her and took out whatever it was she had stolen. She went apeshit, screaming at him like he'd violated her rights or something but he just told her to leave.

She kept screaming and abusing him and he was obviously just trying to avoid trouble, he kept saying just go - which set her off even more.

Now she was screaming about how he couldn't kick her out of the place and did he know who she was? Her brothers's wife's sister's friend's cousin's father's concubines's mother was... whoever and he would rue the day he decided to bully her and blah blah blah....   when I left people were trying to calm her down - and I suppose give her face,as if she was the one who was the victim - so she could go home and complain about the disgusting treatment she endured.

 

I really don't understand the face thing.

 

 

 

Eorthisio:

The face thing is quite easy to understand, think of China as a gigantic middle school populated by 12-years-old kids.

 

Chinese must be treated for what they are, impulsive early teenagers, not responsible adults.

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Yeah, it can't possibly be that they assume pedestrians have the right of way, or assume drivers to be gracious and not self-entitled bullies. It must be that they are throwing their weight around, lording their pedestrianness on a lowly, and put upon motorist.

 

China is a better place with someone heroically putting farmers in their place.

 

Well, as promised... the mindset of a nong was explored.

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Well if you knew how to read it was made very clear that it was on purpose. He was not crossIng the road at all. Anyways, your opinion doesnt matter. You are a pedestrian for life. Of course you couldnt see another way. The only car you could hope to have is made by hot wheels.

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hot wheels make amazing cars. Durability second to none, imagine a full size hot wheel, 200 kph an hour in a skirting board, not a scratch on it.

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Mike:

 

I read what you wrote. I just don't believe it is as you said.

 

Yeah, I totally don't have a car, nor will I ever. You have me figured out.

 

I like how you use pedestrian like an insult. It's like you're not a real person, but a Charles Dickens villain brought to the modern day.

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You dont belive it because youve never been a car. Anyone who has ever driven here would never dispute it.  

 

You say Charles Dickens Villain, I say " Adult". 

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Mike:

You are quite correct. I have never been a car, nor any other motor vehicle.

 

I do appreciate the irony in your last sentence (or attempt at a sentence).

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I have seen this sentiment of having overwhelming powers to blow up Chinese people from few posters since last couple of weeks. I don't know of what were your circumstances and did it really happen the way you people present it but I am afraid in near future (God forbid) someone(loawai) is going to get beaten to death by a gang of Chinese guys or a lonewolf martial arts professional who might be 4 feet above ground.

Spreading the notion of voilence might cause someone serious problems both physical and financial.

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No way kung fu works in a fight!! Really? I understand the physical conditioning of any exercise regime will help your stamina and what not, but no way dragon punch amd super side kick actually work in real life. Just watching most karate matches would tell you that

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mike695ca:

love it! I also like "  Punch a black belt in the face and he becomes a purple belt" - Joe Rogan

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