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Q: Foreign teacher evaluation test?

Is it  normal for Chinese universities to have an evaluation test of foreign teachers. A contract a received stated that I needed to receive a mandatory score of 80/100 by students. Should I be concerned or is this standard for some universities? This is the first time I will be teaching in a Chinese university and I am a little concerned. 

5 years 16 weeks ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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Tell us more about your Contract! What else is written there beside 'evaluation'? What happened, if you don't receive mandatory score?

After you get an answer from Uni, tell them 'mandatory' isn't correct English word! They should replace it with 'ridiculous'!

In New Oriental students evaluate FT, but that isn't condition (mandatory) for having a job.

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Sorry, it states that if there are some problems with the teaching, the teacher will have the opportunity to improve. If the average evaluation score is below 80 that the school will consider terminating the contract  with the teacher. 

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All university teachers are subject to student evaluation at the end of semester.

 

It's just a formality. Students are unlikely to give teachers bad reviews because they are afraid of retaliation (rightly so, in the case of Chinese teachers).

 

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Thanks for the responses!

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my last uni the students gave their evaluations half-way through the 1st semester.

Encouraged by the staff no (please see comment on racist, sexist, xenophobic Department), the students gave poor reviews to all the hard-working FT's (i was not the only CELTA trained teacher on staff) - mainly because the FT's weren't taking the sh** the Chinese teachers were, and tried to get the students to take part in class. 

 

The students knew that the FT's authority was undermined be the Chinese staff and didn't give a *****

TBH, with these students, any teacher that tried to make them do any work in class was a 'bad teacher'

 

 

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It's the standard procedure in a Chinese universities. You can imagine how such a system works in practice. The students will give low grades to any teacher that does not guaranty a passing grade, 60/100, for a token effort. "Token effort" is not much, even in top universities. So if you push students out of their comfort zone (not rote learning, not following the textbook by the page, grading in the full [0, 100] range, etc.), they feel genuinely betrayed! hurt! and will punish you.

 

Ask frankly, directly, how are you supposed to teach and grade. Ask if it's desirable to avoid rote learning and over indulgent grading. If you don't get frank answers, insist. Only if you get a free hand to teach as you see fit, accept the position. You *will* face this kind of situation! then remember them what you were told during the job interview. When giving the lectures, take pics of the class 30 mn after the lecture started, every lecture. It will help to defend your case if the student plays the "stupid laowai teacher" card. I speak of  1 st hand experience.

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i always got bad evaluations at universities from the students who showed up maybe 3 days the whole semester, the bosses showed me the evaluations and i always said the same thing, i dont give a f**k, i expect them to learn and show respect, but i will never see them again, why would i care if they like me, if you dont like my work, i can call 7 places tomorrow and be somewhere else, they never went over evaluations with me again, and i still work part time for them with a regular position somewhere else.

however, the real English majors always gave me great evaluations, not bad for someone who hating English classes when i was in the academic world as a lowly pupil.

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I had this happen when I worked at local universities. 

 

It was more like a damn popularity contest. I remember my first year... no teaching experience and no real materials. BUT somehow I got like a 95% out of 100%. Other experienced teacher received 60-75% and the black teacher received the lowest (probably due to racism). Was it because I taught well? No. I didn't really know what I was doing then... 

 

It was because I was a young, single, foreigner that liked to do break dancing and socialize with the students after class. Nothing more... keep that in mind. It's a popularity contest... it's just plain stupid. no

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I have had the same in my current school, I teach German and funnily enough none of the staff can understand it, my students are beginners and barely understand, thus I guess I was scored on whether or not the students like me, not on my teaching methods.

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According to my experience after the evaluation they will say you did not get the required score but we can still offer you the position but on a less pay scale..

that is what happened with me..

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I've never been subjected to such BS.. and I wouldn't put up with it either.

 

If you've got the quals and experience, tell them to go fuck themselves.

 

Teachers should only be 'evaluated' by other professionally qualified and experienced teachers (of the same discipline).

 

NEVER by students (when the T's pay or job is on the line).

 

As AmbivalentMace said - there's another 7 other companies out there that will take me tomorrow.

 

Fortunately, having the qualifications and experience, I can choose to work at places that have a higher value on the teacher's and their opinions of the students, rather than on what the students think of the teacher.

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Acording the one study, students gave lower ratings if the class is hard and teacher warns them. So if your class is so relaxed and you dont say anything to chinese students even they misbahave, they you can get the best point.

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I actually like to get "honest" feedback from my students - not the ass-kissing kudos kind but the ones who take the time to suggest how you can make class more fun and interesting. Throwing students out the 5th floor window was the only way I could keep their attention more than 10 minutes. But the damn principal had no sense of humor - at all.

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