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Q: Getting my Chinese/British kids out of China

...WITHOUT relinquishing their Chinese nationality. That's something I want them to decide when they're older, in case they may want to do business and own property in China, and not be vulnerable to every immigration directive and scammer in the nation.

By the way, my kids have access to apply for Dutch, British and Chinese passports, but we didn't get any yet.
And our emigration destinatiuon is GERMANY. Important detail.

So far, the vague information I've got leads me to believe I should get them Chinese and British passports, then hand over the Chinese passports (no loss of nationality) to the PSB to get Entry/Exit permits. Then they can leave on their UK passports, and Germany will let them in.

I consulted a lawyer in Netherlands which led to even less clarity. British and German authorities are also unclear. What should I do next??

4 years 36 weeks ago in  Transport & Travel - China

 
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A British passport will get you into anywhere in Europe, as will a Dutch passport as you know.

But you cant have a Chinese passport plus another. China says no. Officially you need to give up their Chinese nationality for them to get a foreign passport.

Just get them Chinese passports and a German visa. Once you get there, get them British or Dutch passports (makes no difference which), and dont tell the Chinese Government.

Europe accepts dual nationality, China does not.

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A British passport will get you into anywhere in Europe, as will a Dutch passport as you know.

But you cant have a Chinese passport plus another. China says no. Officially you need to give up their Chinese nationality for them to get a foreign passport.

Just get them Chinese passports and a German visa. Once you get there, get them British or Dutch passports (makes no difference which), and dont tell the Chinese Government.

Europe accepts dual nationality, China does not.

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Related question: Do you need a visa to go to Taiwan, or can you enter freely for X amount of days? Y'know, coz Mainland authorities might not let you leave to a country that you have no visa for. All Taiwanese websites are blocked or impossible to navigate, naturally.

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You do what you will, but be certain of one thing: Chinese authorities do not find dual citizenship amusing anymore, and the time for exploiting loopholes is dying fast.
So you can bet if there is ever one discrepancy to be discovered in your plans, you'll have to get your stories straight and hide your second passports well, because there won't be a second chance.
Nowadays the sentence is citizenship revocation + ban.

Don't believe me? Check the law and ask your local PSB.

If I consider the Chinese to be right about one thing, it's that people can ever only belong to one place.

Grow a pair and make a choice. It's actually not that hard.

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I recently enquired about this very matter at the Chengdu PSB and it's much easier than people think. I  also had a son born in China and immediately got him an Irish passport. Like you, I don't plan on staying in China long-term but would like my son to have the option of Chinese citizenship when he's older. I showed them the Irish passport which they had no problem with but simply said it's not recognized IN China as long as he still had Chinese citizenship. Please note I have not put him on my wife's hukou or got a Chinese passport. The birth cert counts as citizenship. The best option is to have Irish passport for outside China and before leaving China go to PSB with wife and birth cert and get an exit entry cert for getting the kid in and out of China and use Irish passport every where else. eec is valid for 3 months and if expired you can get a new one at any Chinese embassy in the world the same way. They told me this will keep his options open if he ever wants to return and cancel his Irish citizenship. Easy peasy!!

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I recently enquired about this very matter at the Chengdu PSB and it's much easier than people think. I  also had a son born in China and immediately got him an Irish passport. Like you, I don't plan on staying in China long-term but would like my son to have the option of Chinese citizenship when he's older. I showed them the Irish passport which they had no problem with but simply said it's not recognized IN China as long as he still had Chinese citizenship. Please note I have not put him on my wife's hukou or got a Chinese passport. The birth cert counts as citizenship. The best option is to have Irish passport for outside China and before leaving China go to PSB with wife and birth cert and get an exit entry cert for getting the kid in and out of China and use Irish passport every where else. eec is valid for 3 months and if expired you can get a new one at any Chinese embassy in the world the same way. They told me this will keep his options open if he ever wants to return and cancel his Irish citizenship. Easy peasy!!

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To update this thread: My wife had a lengthy talk with money-hungry PSB officials, about Chinese passports and leaving the country. She also asked about Enrty/Exit permits.

But the salivating bribe collector saw more room for price gouging, so he started by saying that we can't get passports for both boys because of One Child Policy. We'd have to pay fines first, just to get them added to the Hukou. The fact that my wife's parents have no siblings, legally allowing her to have two kids, makes no difference. Perhaps the rule is only for pure nationals, not for traitors married to a laowai.

So in the end, my wife decided that Chinese passports for our boys are more trouble than they're worth. We happily relinquish them to get out of this hellhole. And I don't have to think about the best way to bounce through multiple passport checks anymore. Hallelujah.

"Applying for a passport from outside the UK" comes with a 30-page guide on how to fill it in. This will be fun. I just read about the countersignatory requirement, and there's only one person in my area that could possibly qualify.

Luckily I didn't get my British nationality 'by descent', or my kids wouldn't be eligible. I just barely got lucky: Born June 1982 in Scotland, so I gained nationality by being born in Britain. The law changed in 1983, and people born later need a British relative at birth to be eligible.

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