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Q: Hand in the Cookie jar

What would happen if the situation was reversed?
Are US executives in China at risk of tit for tat?

Huawei executive's arrest sees China threaten Canada with 'serious consequences'

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IMAGEMeng Wanzhou was arrested in Vancouver.(Supplied: Huawei.Com)

China has warned Canada that there will be severe consequences if it does not immediately release a senior Huawei executive, calling the case "extremely nasty".

Key points:Ms Meng was arrested in Canada on December 1If extradited she will face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutionsChina said the arrest was "unreasonable" and "ignored the law"

Meng Wanzhou, Huawei's global chief financial officer, was arrested in Canada on December 1 and faces extradition to the United States, which alleges that she covered up her company's links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran, despite sanctions.

The executive is the daughter of the founder of Huawei.

If extradited to the United States, Ms Meng would face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutions, a Canadian court was told on Friday, with a maximum sentence of 30 years for each charge.

No decision was reached at the extradition hearing after nearly six hours of arguments and counter-arguments, and the hearing was adjourned until Monday.

In a short statement, China's Foreign Ministry said Vice-Foreign Minister Le Yucheng had issued the warning to release Ms Meng to Canada's ambassador in Beijing, summoning him to lodge a "strong protest".

There was no immediate reaction from the office of Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland on Saturday.

When asked about the possible Chinese backlash after the arrest of Huawei's CFO, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Friday that Canada has a very good relationship with Beijing.

Canada's arrest of Ms Meng at the request of the United States while she was changing planes in Vancouver was a serious breach of her lawful rights, Mr Le said.

Why is Huawei so controversial?INFOGRAPHICThe arrest of atop executive is the latest in a string of setbacks for Huawei.(Reuters: Philippe Wojazer)Recent arrests and targeting by foreign governments have sent stock markets plummeting.

The move "ignored the law, was unreasonable" and was in its very nature "extremely nasty", he added.

"China strongly urges the Canadian side to immediately release the detained person, and earnestly protect their lawful, legitimate rights, otherwise Canada must accept full responsibility for the serious consequences caused."

The statement did not elaborate.

"There will probably be a deep freeze with the Chinese in high-level visits and exchanges," David Mulroney, former Canadian ambassador to China, said on Friday.

IMAGEThere is a chance Ms Meng's arrest could end talks of a free trade agreement between Canada and China.(Reuters)

"The ability to talk about free trade will be put in the ice box for a while. But we're going to have to live with that. That's the price of dealing with a country like China."

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Ms Meng was arrested on the same day US President Donald Trump met in Argentina with China's Xi Jinping to look for ways to resolve an escalating trade war between the world's two largest economies.

The news of her arrest has roiled stock markets and drawn condemnation from Chinese authorities, although Mr Trump and his top economic advisers have played down its importance to trade talks after the two leaders agreed to a truce.

A Huawei spokesman said on Friday the company had "every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach the right conclusion".

The company has said it complies with all applicable export control and sanctions laws and other regulations.

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China Arrests Third Canadian Citizen As Feud Worsens

 

That didn't take long.

 

 

Three days after warning Canada about "escalation" and "grave consequences" amid a worsening diplomatic crisis, China has arrested a third Canadian national, according to Canada's National Post, which cited a spokesman for Global Affairs Canada, the international arm of the Canadian government. No further details were provided, other than saying the Canadian government was "aware of a Canadian citizen" being detained.

 

The arrest of a third Canadian citizen could cloud relations between the two countries, which has been marred amid an ongoing trade dispute between the United States and China.

The National Post could not confirm the identity of the detained citizen. But third-party sources who said they spoke to the family of the person suggest the person is not a diplomatic official, nor an entrepreneur operating in China.

Meng has since been released on bail and is to return to court early next year for what could be an extended legal proceeding.

The Chinese govnerment and state-run media have lashed out against Canada for the arrest, which could dampen Prime Minster Justin Trudeau’s ambitions to launch free trade talks with the country.

The Canadian government hasn't learned much about the whereabouts or the circumstances of the detention of Kovrig and Spavor, as Beijing has refused to elaborate on the charges facing the two men (beyond threatening national security, presumably by being Canadian) and hasn't released any information about where they are being held. But if they haven't gotten the message already, any Canadians lingering on the Mainland should probably take the hint: Get out.

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China demands release of Huawei executive arrested in Canada

Meng Wanzhou, who faces extradition to US, said to have been investigated over alleged sanctions breaches

Huawei Q&A: what you need to know about the Chinese phone maker

Lily Kuo in Beijing and agencies

Thu 6 Dec 2018 20.12 AEDTFirst published on Thu 6 Dec 2018 09.30 AEDT

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China has demanded the immediate release of a senior Huawei telecoms executive whose arrest is threatening to escalate into a major diplomatic incident.

Beijing is calling for both Ottawa and Washington to clarify their reasons for the detention of Meng Wanzhou, the Chinese company’s global chief financial officer, who was arrested in Vancouver on Saturday and faces extradition to the US.

Canada confirmed her detention on Wednesday night.

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said on Thursday that Beijing had separately called on the US and Canada to “clarify the reasons for the detention” immediately and “immediately release the detained person”.

The spokesman said China had been providing consular assistance to Meng since learning of her arrest.

Meng is one of the vice-chairs on the Chinese technology company’s board and is the daughter of the company’s founder, Ren Zhengfei.

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Her arrest is reportedly related to alleged violations of US sanctions. A court hearing has been set for Friday, according to Canada’s department of justice.

In a statement, the department confirmed Meng had been arrested and was facing extradition.

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“As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time,” it said. “The ban was sought by Ms Meng.”

US stock futures and Asian shares tumbled after Meng’s arrest. The news came as Washington and Beijing begin three months of negotiations aimed at de-escalating their trade war, which is adding to global investors’ worries over rising US interest rates and other risks to global economic growth.

Fearing that a US-China trade war truce is becoming unattainable, Europe’s main stock indices slumped to their lowest point since December 2016 in morning trading on Thursday. The FTSE 100 fell by 2.5%, while benchmark indices in France, Germany and Italy all lost more than 2%.

Norihiro Fujito, the chief investment strategist at Mitsubishi UFJ Morgan Stanley Securities in Tokyo, said: “The US has been telling its allies not to use Huawei products for security reasons and is likely to continue to put pressure on its allies.

“So while there was a brief moment of optimism after the weekend US-China talks … the reality is, it won’t be that easy.”

US authorities have been investigating Huawei since at least 2016 for allegedly shipping US-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of US export and sanctions laws, sources told Reuters in April.

Huawei, one of the world’s largest makers of telecommunications network equipment, said in a statement that Meng had been temporarily detained and faced “unspecified allegations” in the eastern district of New York.

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The company said it had complied with “all applicable laws and regulations where it operates”, including sanction laws.

“There has been very little information provided to Huawei on the specific allegations. Huawei is not aware of any misconduct by Ms Meng,” Guo Ping, the current CEO of the company, said in a statement posted on his Wechat account on Thursday.

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“The company believes the Canadian and US legal systems will ultimately reach a just conclusion,” he said.

Canada’s prime minister, Justin Trudeau, said that his government had played no role in Meng’s arrest.

“I can assure everyone that we are a country [with] an independent judiciary,” Trudeau told a technology conference in Montreal. “And they took this decision without any political involvement or interference.”

The arrest came days after Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, held a meeting in Argentina where they agreed to steps to resolve the continuing trade war.

On Thursday, Trump’s national security adviser, John Bolton, told National Public Radio he had been aware of the pending legal action against Meng.

 Meng Wanzhou. Photograph: Maxim Shipenkov/EPA

“I knew in advance. That is something we get from the justice department,” Bolton said, although he added that he did not know if Trump also knew.

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Bolton declined to specify the allegations against Meng, but said: “Huawei is one company we’ve been concerned about” regarding intellectual property theft and dealing with Iran.

Meng served on the board of Hong Kong-based Skycom Tech, which has business in Iran, according to corporate filings seen by Reuters.

In 2013, Reuters found that the company, which attempted to sell embargoed Hewlett-Packard computer equipment to Iran’s largest mobile phone operator, had closer ties to Huawei than was previously known.

Meng, the oldest of Ren’s three children, was promoted this year to serve as vice-chair on the company’s board on a rotating basis, in a move many took as a sign that she was being groomed to take over from her father. Ren, a retired officer of the People’s Liberation Army, founded Huawei in 1987.

Huawei – one of the world’s largest telecoms equipment and services providers – has been tightly constrained in the US by worries it could undermine local competitors and that its phones and networking equipment, used widely in other countries, could provide Beijing with avenues for espionage.

BT removing Huawei equipment from parts of 4G network

 

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On Wednesday, BT, the UK telecoms group, confirmed that it was in the process of removing Huawei equipment from the key parts of its 3G and 4G networks, as part of an existing internal policy not to have the Chinese company at the centre of its infrastructure.

The head of MI6 also suggested this week that the UK needed to decide if it was “comfortable” with Chinese ownership of the technology being used.

Governments in New Zealand and Australia have also moved to block the use of Huawei’s equipment in future 5G networks.

In China, online users and commentators reacted angrily to the news of Meng’s arrest. The Canadian embassy’s Weibo page was bombarded with posts criticising its role in the incident.

One user wrote: “Hello, American’s dog. What about human rights? What about freedom?”

On the US embassy’s page, another wrote: “Get out of China.”

Hu Xijin, the editor of China’s often stridently patriotic state-run tabloid the Global Times, posted on Weibo: “If this were a few months ago, I might write a commentary. It is clear the US is pushing the battle line to our door... We can completely regard the US arrest of Meng as ‘a declaration of war’. But today I want to say China is facing a very complicated game. We must not only be firm but also fight with wisdom.”

This article was amended on 7 December to use Hu Xijin’s full quote.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-11/china-arrests-former-canadian-...

 

Is this one of the "severe" reprisals threatened by Beijing when it summoned Canada's ambassador to Beijing for a meeting over the weekend?

 

According to Reuters, former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig has been detained in China. Kovrig's employer, International Crisis Group, is working to secure his "safe" release.

 

The reason for Kovrig's detention wasn't immediately clear, and Beijing has refused to comment on his detention. However, Reuters noted that the arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou has "stoked fears of reprisals."

 

"International Crisis Group is aware of reports that its North East Asia Senior Adviser, Michael Kovrig, has been detained in China," the think-tank said in a statement.

"We are doing everything possible to secure additional information on Michael’s whereabouts as well as his prompt and safe release," it added.

China’s Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Public Security did not respond immediately to questions faxed earlier about Kovrig’s detention.

The exact reason for the detention was not immediately clear. The Canadian embassy declined to comment, referring queries to Ottawa.

Kovrig, a Mandarin speaker, has been working for the ICG as an in-house "expert" since February 2017. Prior to that, he served as a diplomat for the Canadian government between 2003 and 2016, with stints in Hong Kong and Beijing.

And while it's possible that the timing of Kovrig's arrest is purely coincidental, the timing is certainly suspicious.

 

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Hsha she is out on Bail....anybody want to cover a bet she will be in China by the weekend.
When will the west learn China don't give a Rats about your Rules unless it benifits China

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It would be better if we just let her escape to China. Then our court system doesn't have to deal with it by spending millions of Canadian citizen's tax dollars. When she gets home she will probably be "dissappeared"  I also think Beijing has just destroyed that company's relationship with Canada. Microsoft and other big players in the tech industry will be happy to pick up where that company left off, most notably Microsoft. (smell a conspiricy to eliminate the the woman's company) Once Canada does this, I am sure many western countries will do the same. Don't forget that the companies from that country copied the tech from the west. Without her company and others like ZTO in the west, they won't be able to advance there technolgy as much as we have in the west. This means that a certain country will no longer be a tech leader in short order.

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Second Canadian Citizen Disappears In China

 

"We haven’t been able to make contact with him since he let us know about this. We are working very hard to ascertain his whereabouts and we have also raised this case with Chinese authorities."

According to the he Globe and Mail, the man was identified as Michael Spavor, a Canadian whose company Peaktu Cultural Exchange brings tourists and hockey players into North Korea. He gained fame for helping arrange a visit to Pyongyang by former NBA player Dennis Rodman, and he met North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on that trip, the newspaper reported. Attempts to reach Spavor on his contact number either in China, or North Korean went straight to voicemail.

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All this is about ... fine read:

 

https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-china-towards-cold-hot-war/5662585

 

At first glance, the dispute between the US and China revolves around unfair competition and theft of intellectual property. On closer inspection it is about something much more fundamental, namely frantic attempts by Washington to preserve its hegemony over this planet. Are we heading for a clash between the two titans?  

 

 

 

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One more:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-15/us-boogeyman-coming-youno-matt...

 

The US Boogeyman Is Coming For You...No Matter Where In The World You Are

The anti-terrorism unit suited up.

This was an international affair… a deal between the USA and New Zealand, two members of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

Helicopters, tactical suits, high caliber firearms—the whole shebang. They busted in the doors and successfully raided the multi-million-dollar compound.

What was this… capturing the next in line after Bin Laden? Busting an international human trafficking ring?

Actually, elite New Zealand law enforcement was acting at the request of the United States to arrest a guy named Kim Dotcom.

Kim Dotcom is a large, jovial man of German-Swedish origins. He founded Megaupload, an online platform that allowed us to basically watch movies online for free.

Unfortunately for Kim, a lot of that content included American movies, with American copyrights.

US artists didn’t get their money, which meant the US government didn’t get its tax dollars.

But Kim Dotcom was a German citizen hanging out in New Zealand. So tough luck for the USA, right?

Wrong. US jurisdiction extends globally… and the government is getting its pound of flesh.

Violate US copyright laws, and get your door kicked in by a SWAT team, even half a world away.

Then there was the Australian, living in London who shared leaked, classified and sensitive documents with the public.

I’m talking about the founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.

He walked into the Ecuadorian embassy in London six years ago, asking for asylum.

There was a Swedish warrant out for his arrest, alleging rape charges. He faced extradition to Sweden, and feared he would then be turned over to US authorities… who wanted Assange taken down for exposing the extent of the spying the US government was carrying out on its own citizens.

For years it was suspected that there was a sealed US indictment against Assange. Last month, the proof emerged when the US accidentally revealed the filing, but not the specific charges.

So, we’ve got a Aussie journalist who might get arrested in the UK (which has an extradition agreement with the US) for a crime allegedly committed in Sweden... all because the US government has a hard on for this guy.

But this journalist made the mistake of providing the world with the valuable insight that the authoritarian US government was surveilling its own citizens.

And, again, the US wants its pound of flesh.

Just recently, the US has once again flexed its global might to throw someone in jail.

 

As you’re likely aware, Trump is in the middle of some tense trade war negotiations with China.

Interesting timing that the Chief Financial Officer of the Chinese tech company Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, was just arrested at the request of US authorities. The company allegedly violated US sanctions against Iran by selling technology to the country.

But here’s the thing… Wanzhou wasn’t on American soil. She was arrested in Canada. The Canadian government is bringing the US case against Wanzhou, who could be extradited to the US to face charges.

So a Chinese citizen, working for a Chinese company, complying with Chinese law, was arrested on Canadian soil… because she allegedly violated US law. (She was recently released on bail – after a 3-day bail hearing, and two weeks in jail.)

We know these webs of where the “guilty” are from, where they were living, where they were arrested and on whose behalf is all confusing.

The point is, if you challenge the US government, prepare for your new accommodations in a 6 by 8 foot cage.

It’s crazy. You know I actually had pork the other night, yet somehow Saudi Arabia hasn’t arrested me for violating its laws against non “halal” food.

The US going after Dotcom and Assange is bad enough. But truth be told, these guys poked the bear.

Assange published sensitive, American documents which authorities claim has threatened national security.

Dotcom made the American government lose out on tax dollars.

 

I still don’t think it’s right to apply American law worldwide... but what do you expect America to do? It’s not surprising.

 

But the USA’s latest move should disgust anyone with even a distant memory of what freedom was.

 

If Huawei did business with Iran, this has nothing to do with the United States. It’s not illegal according to Chinese or Canadian law to do business with Iran. That’s a US law.

If the US wants to escalate trade wars or impose more tariffs to punish the company… fine, whatever.

But to bring criminal charges against company leadership just for doing their job is a terrifying development, even for the brazen US world police.

The USA is the self-declared dictator of the planet. Forget sovereign nations, US law applies worldwide.

And they will kidnap and extradite you from New Zealand, London, Canada, or wherever else they can get their hands on you.

If they want you, they will get you. 

 

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China Arrests Third Canadian Citizen As Feud Worsens

 

That didn't take long.

 

 

Three days after warning Canada about "escalation" and "grave consequences" amid a worsening diplomatic crisis, China has arrested a third Canadian national, according to Canada's National Post, which cited a spokesman for Global Affairs Canada, the international arm of the Canadian government. No further details were provided, other than saying the Canadian government was "aware of a Canadian citizen" being detained.

 

The arrest of a third Canadian citizen could cloud relations between the two countries, which has been marred amid an ongoing trade dispute between the United States and China.

The National Post could not confirm the identity of the detained citizen. But third-party sources who said they spoke to the family of the person suggest the person is not a diplomatic official, nor an entrepreneur operating in China.

Meng has since been released on bail and is to return to court early next year for what could be an extended legal proceeding.

The Chinese govnerment and state-run media have lashed out against Canada for the arrest, which could dampen Prime Minster Justin Trudeau’s ambitions to launch free trade talks with the country.

The Canadian government hasn't learned much about the whereabouts or the circumstances of the detention of Kovrig and Spavor, as Beijing has refused to elaborate on the charges facing the two men (beyond threatening national security, presumably by being Canadian) and hasn't released any information about where they are being held. But if they haven't gotten the message already, any Canadians lingering on the Mainland should probably take the hint: Get out.

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The suspence is building? Why did Canada acquiese to America's request to extradite on what was a political request? Why did China react so quickly? As the article above pointed out, there is probably more to this than meets the eye. The intrigue makes for a good novel. The damage is already done, most of it caused by the reaction rather than the deed. Trump has made clear that this extradition request was nothing more than a bargaining tool for him to use. As for Canadians taking the hint to leave? Anybody boarding a flight must go through customs. The passport could be seized. 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-21/us-arrests-chinese-national-ch...

 

One day after the US officially declared war on Chinese "cyberwarriors", the DOJ announced late on Friday that 35-year-old Chinese national and legal permanent resident, Hongjin Tan, was arrested on Dec. 20 and charged with theft of trade secrets from his employer, an unidentified U.S. petroleum company.

 

“Hongjin Tan allegedly stole trade secrets related to a product worth more than $1 billion from his U.S.-based petroleum company employer, to use for the benefit of a Chinese company where he was offered employment,” said Assistant Attorney General Demers. “The theft of intellectual property harms American companies and American workers. As our recent cases show, all too often these thefts involve the Chinese government or Chinese companies. The Department recently launched an initiative to protect our economy from such illegal practices emanating from China, and we continue to make this a top priority.” 

 

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Vlad and Xi are best buddies ... US 'Meng' detained in Russia:

 

                 Citizen of the world: Ex-Marine detained in Russia on espionage charges holds multiple passports             

                               

The plot thickens in the case of a former US Marine who was detained on spying charges in Russia before the New Year. It has emerged that Paul Whelan also holds UK and Irish passports, and maybe a Canadian one.                     

 

Jan 4, 2019 22:33 

 

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There are so many arestos, Phil should open new thread .... There is also existing problem with raincoats storage ... he he

Arrest anybody anywhere ... G5 network ..

 'spierdalay ..' in Polish .. or Polandish ....

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/poland-arrests-huawei-executiv...

 

The executive's name wasn't released. A Chinese national, he was identified only as a graduate of one of China's top intelligence colleges, as well as a former employee of the Chinese consulate in the port city of Gdansk.

But the Chinese national wasn't the only person arrested in the crackdown: Polish police also arrested a citizen who was identified as a former top official in the Polish intelligence agency's IT security department.

surprise

 

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China Imposes Death Penalty On Canadian Convicted Of Drug Smuggling

 

"There's no way they are not using him as a pawn..."

 

     

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    Ok, so I'm old, square, was never into drugs,,,,,   but what is the/his charge?  I looked that little link u linked,,,,, but I didn't see the charge.  Smuggling drugs into China?  Out of China? Through China?   Why would anyone do that?  I doubt he did whatever,,, but what exactly is it they are trying to say he did?  

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    Bet the decision would be reversed if Canada let the Girl go

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    First, Canuck got some 10-15-year prison term ... and after 2-weeks ago 'girl's' arrest in Canada, highest Chinese Court reverted conviction and demanded new trial ...  

    Detailed explanation on Zero's link ... smuggling drugs into China ...

    Canadian sentenced to DEATH in China after being found guilty ...

     

    https://www.rt.com/news/448773-canadian-death-sentence-china-drugs/

    A Canadian man convicted of smuggling an “enormous amount of drugs” into China has been sentenced to death by a Chinese court in a case that will likely further strain relations between Ottawa and Beijing.

    A former oil worker, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, was initially arrested back in 2015 on suspicion of smuggling more than 200 kilograms of methamphetamine into China. In November 2018, he was sentenced to 15 years in jail and a fine amounting to 150,000 yuan ($22,185).

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                     Canada asks China clemency for its national sentenced to death for drug trafficking             

                                   

    Ottawa has asked Beijing to spare the life of its citizen, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, who was sentenced to death by a Chinese court for smuggling a large volume of drugs into the country. 

     

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