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What would happen if the situation was reversed?
Are US executives in China at risk of tit for tat?

Huawei executive's arrest sees China threaten Canada with 'serious consequences'

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IMAGEMeng Wanzhou was arrested in Vancouver.(Supplied: Huawei.Com)

China has warned Canada that there will be severe consequences if it does not immediately release a senior Huawei executive, calling the case "extremely nasty".

Key points:Ms Meng was arrested in Canada on December 1If extradited she will face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutionsChina said the arrest was "unreasonable" and "ignored the law"

Meng Wanzhou, Huawei's global chief financial officer, was arrested in Canada on December 1 and faces extradition to the United States, which alleges that she covered up her company's links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran, despite sanctions.

The executive is the daughter of the founder of Huawei.

If extradited to the United States, Ms Meng would face charges of conspiracy to defraud multiple financial institutions, a Canadian court was told on Friday, with a maximum sentence of 30 years for each charge.

No decision was reached at the extradition hearing after nearly six hours of arguments and counter-arguments, and the hearing was adjourned until Monday.

In a short statement, China's Foreign Ministry said Vice-Foreign Minister Le Yucheng had issued the warning to release Ms Meng to Canada's ambassador in Beijing, summoning him to lodge a "strong protest".

There was no immediate reaction from the office of Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland on Saturday.

When asked about the possible Chinese backlash after the arrest of Huawei's CFO, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Friday that Canada has a very good relationship with Beijing.

Canada's arrest of Ms Meng at the request of the United States while she was changing planes in Vancouver was a serious breach of her lawful rights, Mr Le said.

Why is Huawei so controversial?INFOGRAPHICThe arrest of atop executive is the latest in a string of setbacks for Huawei.(Reuters: Philippe Wojazer)Recent arrests and targeting by foreign governments have sent stock markets plummeting.

The move "ignored the law, was unreasonable" and was in its very nature "extremely nasty", he added.

"China strongly urges the Canadian side to immediately release the detained person, and earnestly protect their lawful, legitimate rights, otherwise Canada must accept full responsibility for the serious consequences caused."

The statement did not elaborate.

"There will probably be a deep freeze with the Chinese in high-level visits and exchanges," David Mulroney, former Canadian ambassador to China, said on Friday.

IMAGEThere is a chance Ms Meng's arrest could end talks of a free trade agreement between Canada and China.(Reuters)

"The ability to talk about free trade will be put in the ice box for a while. But we're going to have to live with that. That's the price of dealing with a country like China."

What's behind Huawei anxiety?

Political editor Andrew Probyn takes a deep dive into Huawei's history to unpick the anxiety within the Australian intelligence community.

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Ms Meng was arrested on the same day US President Donald Trump met in Argentina with China's Xi Jinping to look for ways to resolve an escalating trade war between the world's two largest economies.

The news of her arrest has roiled stock markets and drawn condemnation from Chinese authorities, although Mr Trump and his top economic advisers have played down its importance to trade talks after the two leaders agreed to a truce.

A Huawei spokesman said on Friday the company had "every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach the right conclusion".

The company has said it complies with all applicable export control and sanctions laws and other regulations.

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The suspence is building? Why did Canada acquiese to America's request to extradite on what was a political request? Why did China react so quickly? As the article above pointed out, there is probably more to this than meets the eye. The intrigue makes for a good novel. The damage is already done, most of it caused by the reaction rather than the deed. Trump has made clear that this extradition request was nothing more than a bargaining tool for him to use. As for Canadians taking the hint to leave? Anybody boarding a flight must go through customs. The passport could be seized. 

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Trudeau already told the Saudis to kiss his ass and stand on principal, so he might tell China the same thing. I hope he closes the Canadian embassy, seizes all Chinese owned properties and cancels all flights and visas to China.

Canada does not need China as much as China needs Canada. Don't fold. Double down.

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China demands release of Huawei executive arrested in Canada

Meng Wanzhou, who faces extradition to US, said to have been investigated over alleged sanctions breaches

Huawei Q&A: what you need to know about the Chinese phone maker

Lily Kuo in Beijing and agencies

Thu 6 Dec 2018 20.12 AEDTFirst published on Thu 6 Dec 2018 09.30 AEDT

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China has demanded the immediate release of a senior Huawei telecoms executive whose arrest is threatening to escalate into a major diplomatic incident.

Beijing is calling for both Ottawa and Washington to clarify their reasons for the detention of Meng Wanzhou, the Chinese company’s global chief financial officer, who was arrested in Vancouver on Saturday and faces extradition to the US.

Canada confirmed her detention on Wednesday night.

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said on Thursday that Beijing had separately called on the US and Canada to “clarify the reasons for the detention” immediately and “immediately release the detained person”.

The spokesman said China had been providing consular assistance to Meng since learning of her arrest.

Meng is one of the vice-chairs on the Chinese technology company’s board and is the daughter of the company’s founder, Ren Zhengfei.

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Her arrest is reportedly related to alleged violations of US sanctions. A court hearing has been set for Friday, according to Canada’s department of justice.

In a statement, the department confirmed Meng had been arrested and was facing extradition.

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“As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time,” it said. “The ban was sought by Ms Meng.”

US stock futures and Asian shares tumbled after Meng’s arrest. The news came as Washington and Beijing begin three months of negotiations aimed at de-escalating their trade war, which is adding to global investors’ worries over rising US interest rates and other risks to global economic growth.

Fearing that a US-China trade war truce is becoming unattainable, Europe’s main stock indices slumped to their lowest point since December 2016 in morning trading on Thursday. The FTSE 100 fell by 2.5%, while benchmark indices in France, Germany and Italy all lost more than 2%.

Norihiro Fujito, the chief investment strategist at Mitsubishi UFJ Morgan Stanley Securities in Tokyo, said: “The US has been telling its allies not to use Huawei products for security reasons and is likely to continue to put pressure on its allies.

“So while there was a brief moment of optimism after the weekend US-China talks … the reality is, it won’t be that easy.”

US authorities have been investigating Huawei since at least 2016 for allegedly shipping US-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of US export and sanctions laws, sources told Reuters in April.

Huawei, one of the world’s largest makers of telecommunications network equipment, said in a statement that Meng had been temporarily detained and faced “unspecified allegations” in the eastern district of New York.

Huawei Q&A: what you need to know about the Chinese phone maker

 

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The company said it had complied with “all applicable laws and regulations where it operates”, including sanction laws.

“There has been very little information provided to Huawei on the specific allegations. Huawei is not aware of any misconduct by Ms Meng,” Guo Ping, the current CEO of the company, said in a statement posted on his Wechat account on Thursday.

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“The company believes the Canadian and US legal systems will ultimately reach a just conclusion,” he said.

Canada’s prime minister, Justin Trudeau, said that his government had played no role in Meng’s arrest.

“I can assure everyone that we are a country [with] an independent judiciary,” Trudeau told a technology conference in Montreal. “And they took this decision without any political involvement or interference.”

The arrest came days after Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, held a meeting in Argentina where they agreed to steps to resolve the continuing trade war.

On Thursday, Trump’s national security adviser, John Bolton, told National Public Radio he had been aware of the pending legal action against Meng.

 Meng Wanzhou. Photograph: Maxim Shipenkov/EPA

“I knew in advance. That is something we get from the justice department,” Bolton said, although he added that he did not know if Trump also knew.

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Bolton declined to specify the allegations against Meng, but said: “Huawei is one company we’ve been concerned about” regarding intellectual property theft and dealing with Iran.

Meng served on the board of Hong Kong-based Skycom Tech, which has business in Iran, according to corporate filings seen by Reuters.

In 2013, Reuters found that the company, which attempted to sell embargoed Hewlett-Packard computer equipment to Iran’s largest mobile phone operator, had closer ties to Huawei than was previously known.

Meng, the oldest of Ren’s three children, was promoted this year to serve as vice-chair on the company’s board on a rotating basis, in a move many took as a sign that she was being groomed to take over from her father. Ren, a retired officer of the People’s Liberation Army, founded Huawei in 1987.

Huawei – one of the world’s largest telecoms equipment and services providers – has been tightly constrained in the US by worries it could undermine local competitors and that its phones and networking equipment, used widely in other countries, could provide Beijing with avenues for espionage.

BT removing Huawei equipment from parts of 4G network

 

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On Wednesday, BT, the UK telecoms group, confirmed that it was in the process of removing Huawei equipment from the key parts of its 3G and 4G networks, as part of an existing internal policy not to have the Chinese company at the centre of its infrastructure.

The head of MI6 also suggested this week that the UK needed to decide if it was “comfortable” with Chinese ownership of the technology being used.

Governments in New Zealand and Australia have also moved to block the use of Huawei’s equipment in future 5G networks.

In China, online users and commentators reacted angrily to the news of Meng’s arrest. The Canadian embassy’s Weibo page was bombarded with posts criticising its role in the incident.

One user wrote: “Hello, American’s dog. What about human rights? What about freedom?”

On the US embassy’s page, another wrote: “Get out of China.”

Hu Xijin, the editor of China’s often stridently patriotic state-run tabloid the Global Times, posted on Weibo: “If this were a few months ago, I might write a commentary. It is clear the US is pushing the battle line to our door... We can completely regard the US arrest of Meng as ‘a declaration of war’. But today I want to say China is facing a very complicated game. We must not only be firm but also fight with wisdom.”

This article was amended on 7 December to use Hu Xijin’s full quote.

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A woman who has used 7 different passports in a decade for travel has something to hide, and thinking you could get away with this with fingerprints, facial recognition scanners and terrorist data base passenger lists shows she is so rich and arrogant that it does not matter or she is terribly informed about global travel.

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The Many Passports Of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou

 

“[I]t is entirely possible that Meng has additional passports of which the United States government is not aware...” 

According to the U.S. Justice Department and the United States Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of New York, Meng has used seven passports from China and Hong Kong in the last 11 years to enter the United States. The passports include four issued by China, and three issued by Hong Kong.

Meng, daughter of Huawei’s founder, is charged with committing fraud for allegedly misrepresenting the relations between Huawei and Skycom—a Hong Kong-based company that reportedly conducted business with Iran—to banks in the United States. She was arrested in Vancouver on Dec. 1 as she was en route to Mexico from Hong Kong, and is facing extradition to the United States.

Each of the offences Meng is charged with carry a maximum prison sentence of 30 years. Meng denies the charges. Her first bail hearing was held on Dec. 7 in Vancouver, and resumed yesterday.

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/exclusive-trump-says-could-intervene-u-case-against-235957862--finance.html

 

a swap for 2 americans held without charges because daddy is a criminal, 2 weeks later after the incident, I smell a plan.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-10/what-trade-war-china-really-about

 

The real reason behind the US-China "trade" war has little to do with actual trade, and everything to do with what China's president, Xi Jinping, said when he visited a memory chip plant in the city of Wuhan earlier this year. In a white lab coat, he made an unexpectedly sentimental remark, comparing a computer chip to a human heart: “No matter how big a person is, he or she can never be strong without a sound and strong heart”.

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Why would someone need more than one passport issued from one country unless they were doing something dodgy?

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Huawei CFO Offers Husband, Children As Bail Collateral

Lawyers for indicted Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou put a new spin on an old Rodney Dangerfield joke on Tuesday when they offered to pledge both of Meng's multimillion dollar homes as well as her husband (and her children) as collateral should the executive be granted bail.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-11/china-arrests-former-canadian-...

 

Is this one of the "severe" reprisals threatened by Beijing when it summoned Canada's ambassador to Beijing for a meeting over the weekend?

 

According to Reuters, former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig has been detained in China. Kovrig's employer, International Crisis Group, is working to secure his "safe" release.

 

The reason for Kovrig's detention wasn't immediately clear, and Beijing has refused to comment on his detention. However, Reuters noted that the arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou has "stoked fears of reprisals."

 

"International Crisis Group is aware of reports that its North East Asia Senior Adviser, Michael Kovrig, has been detained in China," the think-tank said in a statement.

"We are doing everything possible to secure additional information on Michael’s whereabouts as well as his prompt and safe release," it added.

China’s Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Public Security did not respond immediately to questions faxed earlier about Kovrig’s detention.

The exact reason for the detention was not immediately clear. The Canadian embassy declined to comment, referring queries to Ottawa.

Kovrig, a Mandarin speaker, has been working for the ICG as an in-house "expert" since February 2017. Prior to that, he served as a diplomat for the Canadian government between 2003 and 2016, with stints in Hong Kong and Beijing.

And while it's possible that the timing of Kovrig's arrest is purely coincidental, the timing is certainly suspicious.

 

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                 Former Canadian diplomat detained in China following Vancouver arrest of Huawei CFO - reports             

 

          China has detained a former Canadian diplomat in what appears to be a kind of tit-for-tat retaliation for the arrest of the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies ten days ago, according to reports.       

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Detained or Kidnapped?

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RT says 'tit-for-tit' ... 

 

Where's 'tits-Ted' anyway?

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Interment camps will be call foreigner security village estates

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You can teach Englo  from anywhere ... .

 

I'll come and visit you all in detention camps with the bag full of Turkish cookies ...

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Hsha she is out on Bail....anybody want to cover a bet she will be in China by the weekend.
When will the west learn China don't give a Rats about your Rules unless it benifits China

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How true ... the last sentence!

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It would be better if we just let her escape to China. Then our court system doesn't have to deal with it by spending millions of Canadian citizen's tax dollars. When she gets home she will probably be "dissappeared"  I also think Beijing has just destroyed that company's relationship with Canada. Microsoft and other big players in the tech industry will be happy to pick up where that company left off, most notably Microsoft. (smell a conspiricy to eliminate the the woman's company) Once Canada does this, I am sure many western countries will do the same. Don't forget that the companies from that country copied the tech from the west. Without her company and others like ZTO in the west, they won't be able to advance there technolgy as much as we have in the west. This means that a certain country will no longer be a tech leader in short order.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-16/china-press-warns-prepare-escalation-conflict-canada

 

Canadian officials have yet to learn much about the circumstances in which its two citizens have been detained, and China has given no indication that it will release them, despite Meng being granted bail last week. 

And judging by the tone of this editorial, China doesn't plan to relent. 

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Second Canadian Citizen Disappears In China

 

"We haven’t been able to make contact with him since he let us know about this. We are working very hard to ascertain his whereabouts and we have also raised this case with Chinese authorities."

According to the he Globe and Mail, the man was identified as Michael Spavor, a Canadian whose company Peaktu Cultural Exchange brings tourists and hockey players into North Korea. He gained fame for helping arrange a visit to Pyongyang by former NBA player Dennis Rodman, and he met North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on that trip, the newspaper reported. Attempts to reach Spavor on his contact number either in China, or North Korean went straight to voicemail.

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Spavor needs a Savor; or at least a Favor ~

 

  Maybe Fatty Kim blew him up w/ an Anti-Aircraft Cannon!  

 

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China-man is getting hard on all you wai-guo-ren-s ... 

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All this is about ... fine read:

 

https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-china-towards-cold-hot-war/5662585

 

At first glance, the dispute between the US and China revolves around unfair competition and theft of intellectual property. On closer inspection it is about something much more fundamental, namely frantic attempts by Washington to preserve its hegemony over this planet. Are we heading for a clash between the two titans?  

 

 

 

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One more:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-15/us-boogeyman-coming-youno-matt...

 

The US Boogeyman Is Coming For You...No Matter Where In The World You Are

The anti-terrorism unit suited up.

This was an international affair… a deal between the USA and New Zealand, two members of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

Helicopters, tactical suits, high caliber firearms—the whole shebang. They busted in the doors and successfully raided the multi-million-dollar compound.

What was this… capturing the next in line after Bin Laden? Busting an international human trafficking ring?

Actually, elite New Zealand law enforcement was acting at the request of the United States to arrest a guy named Kim Dotcom.

Kim Dotcom is a large, jovial man of German-Swedish origins. He founded Megaupload, an online platform that allowed us to basically watch movies online for free.

Unfortunately for Kim, a lot of that content included American movies, with American copyrights.

US artists didn’t get their money, which meant the US government didn’t get its tax dollars.

But Kim Dotcom was a German citizen hanging out in New Zealand. So tough luck for the USA, right?

Wrong. US jurisdiction extends globally… and the government is getting its pound of flesh.

Violate US copyright laws, and get your door kicked in by a SWAT team, even half a world away.

Then there was the Australian, living in London who shared leaked, classified and sensitive documents with the public.

I’m talking about the founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.

He walked into the Ecuadorian embassy in London six years ago, asking for asylum.

There was a Swedish warrant out for his arrest, alleging rape charges. He faced extradition to Sweden, and feared he would then be turned over to US authorities… who wanted Assange taken down for exposing the extent of the spying the US government was carrying out on its own citizens.

For years it was suspected that there was a sealed US indictment against Assange. Last month, the proof emerged when the US accidentally revealed the filing, but not the specific charges.

So, we’ve got a Aussie journalist who might get arrested in the UK (which has an extradition agreement with the US) for a crime allegedly committed in Sweden... all because the US government has a hard on for this guy.

But this journalist made the mistake of providing the world with the valuable insight that the authoritarian US government was surveilling its own citizens.

And, again, the US wants its pound of flesh.

Just recently, the US has once again flexed its global might to throw someone in jail.

 

As you’re likely aware, Trump is in the middle of some tense trade war negotiations with China.

Interesting timing that the Chief Financial Officer of the Chinese tech company Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, was just arrested at the request of US authorities. The company allegedly violated US sanctions against Iran by selling technology to the country.

But here’s the thing… Wanzhou wasn’t on American soil. She was arrested in Canada. The Canadian government is bringing the US case against Wanzhou, who could be extradited to the US to face charges.

So a Chinese citizen, working for a Chinese company, complying with Chinese law, was arrested on Canadian soil… because she allegedly violated US law. (She was recently released on bail – after a 3-day bail hearing, and two weeks in jail.)

We know these webs of where the “guilty” are from, where they were living, where they were arrested and on whose behalf is all confusing.

The point is, if you challenge the US government, prepare for your new accommodations in a 6 by 8 foot cage.

It’s crazy. You know I actually had pork the other night, yet somehow Saudi Arabia hasn’t arrested me for violating its laws against non “halal” food.

The US going after Dotcom and Assange is bad enough. But truth be told, these guys poked the bear.

Assange published sensitive, American documents which authorities claim has threatened national security.

Dotcom made the American government lose out on tax dollars.

 

I still don’t think it’s right to apply American law worldwide... but what do you expect America to do? It’s not surprising.

 

But the USA’s latest move should disgust anyone with even a distant memory of what freedom was.

 

If Huawei did business with Iran, this has nothing to do with the United States. It’s not illegal according to Chinese or Canadian law to do business with Iran. That’s a US law.

If the US wants to escalate trade wars or impose more tariffs to punish the company… fine, whatever.

But to bring criminal charges against company leadership just for doing their job is a terrifying development, even for the brazen US world police.

The USA is the self-declared dictator of the planet. Forget sovereign nations, US law applies worldwide.

And they will kidnap and extradite you from New Zealand, London, Canada, or wherever else they can get their hands on you.

If they want you, they will get you. 

 

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Yet the United States won't extradite a US citizen to another country. ...Amanda Fox is a good example of that

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No, no extradition of US citizens.

 

Best was/is 'Up-yours' safe from US Law in mama-Russia.

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China Arrests Third Canadian Citizen As Feud Worsens

 

That didn't take long.

 

 

Three days after warning Canada about "escalation" and "grave consequences" amid a worsening diplomatic crisis, China has arrested a third Canadian national, according to Canada's National Post, which cited a spokesman for Global Affairs Canada, the international arm of the Canadian government. No further details were provided, other than saying the Canadian government was "aware of a Canadian citizen" being detained.

 

The arrest of a third Canadian citizen could cloud relations between the two countries, which has been marred amid an ongoing trade dispute between the United States and China.

The National Post could not confirm the identity of the detained citizen. But third-party sources who said they spoke to the family of the person suggest the person is not a diplomatic official, nor an entrepreneur operating in China.

Meng has since been released on bail and is to return to court early next year for what could be an extended legal proceeding.

The Chinese govnerment and state-run media have lashed out against Canada for the arrest, which could dampen Prime Minster Justin Trudeau’s ambitions to launch free trade talks with the country.

The Canadian government hasn't learned much about the whereabouts or the circumstances of the detention of Kovrig and Spavor, as Beijing has refused to elaborate on the charges facing the two men (beyond threatening national security, presumably by being Canadian) and hasn't released any information about where they are being held. But if they haven't gotten the message already, any Canadians lingering on the Mainland should probably take the hint: Get out.

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S.C.Zhang Group, Stanford University - Physics Department

Shoucheng Zhang (Chinese: 张首晟; February 15, 1963 - December 1, 2018) was a Chinese-American physicist who was the JG Jackson and CJ Wood professor of physics at Stanford University.

 

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The 12/01 arrest of Meng Wanzhou is only the visible part of a bigger story, the much greater and irrevocable loss for China (and arguably the rest of the world) of Stanford professor and presumptive Nobel price candidate Shoucheng Zhang who 'suicided' when he fell out of a window the very same day as the arrest of Ms Wanzhou, both Ms Wanzhou and prof. Zhang were headed to Argentina for a dinner at the G20 meeting.

Mr Zhang, an expert in quantum computing, had discovered a way to create fault tolerant qubits, thus paving the way to scale such devices.

A third event that occurred the same day as prof. Zhang died and Ms Meng was arrested is the explosion and consequent fire in a Dutch factory belonging to ProDrive, a subcontractor to ASML, the only source of 7nm litographic chipmaking equipment in the world. ASML had a scheduled early 2019 delivery to China that is now postponed. 

http://www.followcn.com/miles-kwok-about-huawei-and-the-truth-behind-the-arrest-of-its-chief-financial-officer/"

 

"In its Thousand Talents Plan, China has recruited at least 20 thousand scientists overseas. I want to tell today that Zhang was not just one of their recruits, he was one of the creators.

 

 

"Ms Meng is now hanging like an albatross around Canadas neck but a few kidnappings of Canadian citizens isn't going to make up for Chinas loss, Canada made the choice to become a strategic battlefield where it is relatively safe for China to set an example for other US vassals to watch.

 

Professor Zhang & Majorana Particle:

https://theaggie.org/2018/05/29/ucla-uc-davis-uc-irvine-stanford-researchers-find-evidence-of-majorana-particle/

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You are jumping the gun icniff. Canadian PM says it is visa related. Wonder what the visa issue could possibly be? The reporting on this 'third' is diabolical. Or are all Canadians now immune from Chinese law now that any interaction with the Chinese authorities will be construed as political by the western media?

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https://www.rt.com/news/447485-canadian-drug-smuggling-china/

 

A Canadian citizen is due for trial on drug smuggling charges in China, according to state-run media. The case now has a heightened importance in light of international tension over the arrest in Canada of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou.

 

Robert Lloyd Schellenberg may face the death penalty under China’s strict drug laws, which apply a sentence of “15 years, life imprisonment or death” as well as property confiscation for drug trafficking in amounts over a kilogram. He is reportedly due to stand trial in Liaoning Provincial High People’s Court on Saturday.

 

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The suspence is building? Why did Canada acquiese to America's request to extradite on what was a political request? Why did China react so quickly? As the article above pointed out, there is probably more to this than meets the eye. The intrigue makes for a good novel. The damage is already done, most of it caused by the reaction rather than the deed. Trump has made clear that this extradition request was nothing more than a bargaining tool for him to use. As for Canadians taking the hint to leave? Anybody boarding a flight must go through customs. The passport could be seized. 

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Trudeau already told the Saudis to kiss his ass and stand on principal, so he might tell China the same thing. I hope he closes the Canadian embassy, seizes all Chinese owned properties and cancels all flights and visas to China.

Canada does not need China as much as China needs Canada. Don't fold. Double down.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-21/us-arrests-chinese-national-ch...

 

One day after the US officially declared war on Chinese "cyberwarriors", the DOJ announced late on Friday that 35-year-old Chinese national and legal permanent resident, Hongjin Tan, was arrested on Dec. 20 and charged with theft of trade secrets from his employer, an unidentified U.S. petroleum company.

 

“Hongjin Tan allegedly stole trade secrets related to a product worth more than $1 billion from his U.S.-based petroleum company employer, to use for the benefit of a Chinese company where he was offered employment,” said Assistant Attorney General Demers. “The theft of intellectual property harms American companies and American workers. As our recent cases show, all too often these thefts involve the Chinese government or Chinese companies. The Department recently launched an initiative to protect our economy from such illegal practices emanating from China, and we continue to make this a top priority.” 

 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-26/china-charges-canadian-citizen-smuggling-enormous-amount-drugs

 

The feud between Ottawa and Beijing climbed to absurd new heights late Wednesday after Beijing announced that it would bring drug smuggling charges against a Canadian national recently detained in the northeastern province of Liaoning. Reuters reported Wednesday that a Chinese court in Dalian has formally charged Canadian Robert Lloyd Schellenberg with smuggling "an enormous amount of drugs" into China - a crime that typically carries the death penalty in the notoriously strict Communist judicial system.

 

 

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A Chinese military plane buzzed a Canadian surveillance aircraft, flying too close and using "inappropriate language," according to a Wednesday statement by Canada's top military commander. 

The Canadian CP-140 Aurura, which has since returned home, was monitoring UN sanctions in international airspace off of North Korea in October when the Chinese plane harassed it as part of "a pattern of behavior that's inappropriate," revealed Canada's Chief of the Defense Staff Gen. Jonathan Vance during a year-end interview with CBC News

Similar incidents have been reported by Japan, Australia and New Zealand, according to the CBC. 

The Canadians have come across the Chinese air force on 18 occasions over 12 missions in October. Of those, four had zero interactions with the Chinese, one had a single interaction, while seven had "multiple interactions," according to a statement from Canadian National Defense. 

According to Vance, the Canadian crews "did not face overt interference, but it's made very clear to anybody that's in that region that you're in China." The recent sanctions-related provocations undermines the freedom of navigation from both the sea and the air, he added. 

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Vlad and Xi are best buddies ... US 'Meng' detained in Russia:

 

                 Citizen of the world: Ex-Marine detained in Russia on espionage charges holds multiple passports             

                               

The plot thickens in the case of a former US Marine who was detained on spying charges in Russia before the New Year. It has emerged that Paul Whelan also holds UK and Irish passports, and maybe a Canadian one.                     

 

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                 ‘Hunt for our people goes on’: Moscow warns there’s no ‘safe place’ after US nabs Russian national             

                               

The Russian Foreign Ministry has issued a warning about what it describes as a “hunt on our citizens,” urging travelers to be cautious. The message follows the detention of a Russian citizen by the FBI in Saipan. 

 

It's like ping-pong ...                    

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Wait for when they start kidnapping ships....oh wait Russia already has in Crimea

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That incident was Western provocation ... surprise, I read at RT, 

 

"It was 'nec' while you served! You must repeat the servis!" 

 

You should edit the thread's title:

 

"I'll arest you until you arest me!" 

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Vlad should be 'Meng-ed' long time ago, i.e. since he adopted 'Up-yours' in 2013 ...

 

Iran And Russia To Hold Joint Naval Exercises In Caspian Sea

 

"All countries around the Caspian" oppose any military presence in the area by any non-littoral countries — Iran's navy commander


     

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    There are so many arestos, Phil should open new thread .... There is also existing problem with raincoats storage ... he he

    Arrest anybody anywhere ... G5 network ..

     'spierdalay ..' in Polish .. or Polandish ....

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/poland-arrests-huawei-executiv...

     

    The executive's name wasn't released. A Chinese national, he was identified only as a graduate of one of China's top intelligence colleges, as well as a former employee of the Chinese consulate in the port city of Gdansk.

    But the Chinese national wasn't the only person arrested in the crackdown: Polish police also arrested a citizen who was identified as a former top official in the Polish intelligence agency's IT security department.

    surprise

     

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    China Imposes Death Penalty On Canadian Convicted Of Drug Smuggling

     

    "There's no way they are not using him as a pawn..."

     

       

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      Ok, so I'm old, square, was never into drugs,,,,,   but what is the/his charge?  I looked that little link u linked,,,,, but I didn't see the charge.  Smuggling drugs into China?  Out of China? Through China?   Why would anyone do that?  I doubt he did whatever,,, but what exactly is it they are trying to say he did?  

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      Bet the decision would be reversed if Canada let the Girl go

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      First, Canuck got some 10-15-year prison term ... and after 2-weeks ago 'girl's' arrest in Canada, highest Chinese Court reverted conviction and demanded new trial ...  

      Detailed explanation on Zero's link ... smuggling drugs into China ...

      Canadian sentenced to DEATH in China after being found guilty ...

       

      https://www.rt.com/news/448773-canadian-death-sentence-china-drugs/

      A Canadian man convicted of smuggling an “enormous amount of drugs” into China has been sentenced to death by a Chinese court in a case that will likely further strain relations between Ottawa and Beijing.

      A former oil worker, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, was initially arrested back in 2015 on suspicion of smuggling more than 200 kilograms of methamphetamine into China. In November 2018, he was sentenced to 15 years in jail and a fine amounting to 150,000 yuan ($22,185).

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                       Canada asks China clemency for its national sentenced to death for drug trafficking             

                                     

      Ottawa has asked Beijing to spare the life of its citizen, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, who was sentenced to death by a Chinese court for smuggling a large volume of drugs into the country. 

       

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      Canadians at hokey ...

       

                       Canadian PM fires China envoy after he ‘misspoke’ that Huawei CFO better not be extradited to US             

       

      Canada’s ambassador to China was fired after saying that Huawei’s CFO has a “strong case” against being extradited to the US, and that Ottawa would be better off releasing the Chinese national.   

       

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      When is the extradition hearing anyway?

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      Canadians fired  laowai ... without hearing, i.e 'You Go!'. 

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      The American's must make a formal request by today. If they don't, then she will be automaticaly released.

      McCullum was resigned because he publicly used politiclal reasoning in what is supposed to be a judicial case. However; pretty much all Canadians agree with him. We also know that Trump is just using her as a Trump card in his Trade war that is costing Americans more than anyone else. We all should remember that Trump regards Canada as a security threat to the United States. He said so at the same time he belittled Trudeau.

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       'Automatical release':

       

      US Charges Huawei With Financial Fraud, Formally Seeks Extradition Of CFO To US

       

      U.S. charged Huawei with stealing trade secrets from T-Mobile USA and commiting bank fraud by violating sanctions against doing business with Iran; at the same time the DOJ officially demanded the extradition of Huawei's CFO who is currently free after posting C$10MM bail in Vancouver.

       

      Market reaction:

       

      Chinese Tech Stocks Plunge After Huawei Headlines, Nasdaq Slides

       

      Following the US prosecutors decision to charge Huawei with financial fraud, Chinese tech stocks are tumbling on concerns the trade war will hit corporate profits.


      'buy low ...' 

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      after a chinese canadian sold the blueprints to future Canadian ships for the Arctic before they were even made yet, yes Canada is a security threat. Let's not forget the terrorists caught at the border that planned on bombing the needle in Seatle. yes, Canada is a security threat.

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      Inside of Chinese traditional scumbaggery ...

       

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-05/huawei-tried-steal-his-technol...

       

      Huawei Tried To Steal His Technology, But He Was Working For The FBI All Along

      Adam Khan believed he had invented nearly indestructible glass that was going to revolutionize the technology industry. His "diamond glass" looked like ordinary glass, but was 6 times stronger than the industry standard. His plan, according to a new Bloomberg article? License the technology to phone manufacturers and turn a pretty penny for his company, Akhan Semiconductor, Inc.

      As part of his research, he sent a specimen of his glass to a San Diego lab that was owned by Huawei Technologies to have it evaluated for potential licensing - but the sample he received back after testing was badly damaged, leading him to believe it may have been tampered with.

      Khan said he was optimistic at first: “We were very optimistic. Having one of the top three smartphone manufacturers back you, at least on paper, is very attractive.”

      But he then found himself paranoid about knockoffs - and became even more paranoid when Huawei began to "behave suspiciously" after getting his sample. They missed a deadline to return his sample and when they did return it, it was broken in several pieces and three shards of glass were missing altogether. 

      He said: “My heart sank. I thought, ‘Great, this multibillion-dollar company is coming after our technology. What are we going to do now?’”

       Khan was likely further surprised when he was approached by the FBI to help with an ongoing investigation into Huawei. The FBI wanted Khan and Akhan’s chief operations officer, Carl Shurboff, to conduct an undercover meeting with Huawei in Las Vegas at the Consumer Electronics Show. Shurboff was outfitted with surveillance devices and recorded the conversation, while a reporter from Bloomberg watched from a safe distance. 

      During the conversation, Khan and his COO "succeeded in getting Huawei representatives to admit, on tape, to breaking the contract with Akhan and, evidently, to violating U.S. export-control laws." 

      Subsequent to that, when an FBI gemology expert was able to examine the glass Khan had received back, they determined the Huawei had blasted it with a 100 kW laser, which is "powerful enough to be used as a weapon".

      The investigation Khan is involved in is separate from recent indictments against the company. It is hardly the last as it seems that every day, more Huawei stones continue to turn over.

      “Today should serve as a warning that we will not tolerate businesses that violate our laws, obstruct justice, or jeopardize national and economic well-being,” FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a January 28 press release about indictments regarding technology allegedly stolen by Huawei from T-Mobile. On that same day, the FBI raided the San Diego lab where Khan had sent his glass. 

      Display glass is considered to be a significant competitive advantage in the world of smart phones. Khan had been working on diamond glass going back to his college days when he began learning about nanodiamonds at the age of 19. According to Bloomberg:

      After graduation, he ran experiments at the Stanford Nanofabrication Facility and teamed up with researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy’s Argonne National Laboratory, eventually developing and patenting a way to deposit a thin coating of tiny diamonds on materials such as glass. He also licensed diamond-related patents for Akhan from the Argonne lab in 2014. By the following year, Khan was confident enough to start promoting his new technology. 

      If the FBI's new investigation into Huawei continues to provide substantial evidence, it will bolster the Trump administration's case to block the Chinese company from selling equipment for 5G use in the US. Some countries, like Australia, have already banned Huawei equipment for fear of not being able to protect IP that's in the interest of national security. 

      Khan's final take? All companies of all sizes should be watching out for Huawei as closely as possible: “I think they’re identifying technologies that are key to their road map and going after them no matter what the size or scale or status of the business. I wouldn’t say they’re discriminating.”

      To read Bloomberg's full long-form writeup with more details on the story, click here

       

       

      If anyone fancy to read Bloomberg's whole text on the matter, I will be happy to c&p.

       

       

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      https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/paintings-02042019121713.html

       

      I wonder if prints are available, probably made in China, a leftist artist is being censored in America by Chinese influence and ass kissing. Let me have some "political correctness" for the main course, some "white privilege" for dessert, and some "male shaming feminism" for an appetizer with an ethanol fake liquer for a beverage.

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      https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-glavin-trudeau-finally-seems-to-be-getting-it-right-on-china?video_autoplay=true

       

      So the metrosexual leader of Canada has finally put his balls back on that his wife hid in a mason jar in the basement and is actually acting like a real man again.

       

      Not sure I actually believe this, but it is encouraging.

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      Canada approves extradition hearing against top Huawei executive

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      The Canadian government says it will allow an extradition hearing to proceed against the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, who was detained late last year.

      Meng Wanzhou, currently under house arrest, will appear in a Vancouver court on March 6 to set the date of the hearing. Ms Meng and Huawei face US charges of conspiring to violate US sanctions on Iran.

      "Today, department of Justice Canada officials issued an authority to proceed, formally commencing an extradition process in the case of Ms Meng Wanzhou," the government said in a statement today.

      The Canadian government, as expected, has approved the extradition hearing against top Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, with the next court date set for March 6. (AP)

      "The department is satisfied that... there is sufficient evidence to be put before an extradition judge for decision."

      Legal experts had predicted Ottawa would give the go-ahead, given the close judicial relationship between Canada and the US.

      It could be years though before she is ever sent to the US since Canada's slow-moving justice system allows many decisions to be appealed.

      The decision is likely to sour Canada's already bad relations with China, which is demanding Ms Meng be released.

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      After her detention, China arrested two Canadians on national security grounds, and a Chinese court later sentenced to death a Canadian man who previously had only been jailed for drug smuggling.

      The Canadian government, as expected, has approved the extradition hearing against top Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, with the next court date set for March 6. (AP)

      Canadian Justice Minister David Lametti declined to comment. The Chinese embassy in Ottawa, Huawei and Ms Meng's lawyer David Martin were not immediately available for comment.

      US President Donald Trump told Reuters in December he would intervene if it served national security interests or helped close a trade deal with China, prompting Ottawa to stress the extradition process should not be politicised.

      Last week Mr Trump played down the idea of dropping the charges.

      © AAP 2019

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      Whose Head is baked in a Cookie ...?:

       

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      Real Reason Behind Washington's Huawei Ban: US Wants To Spy And China Won't Cooperate

      The UK, Germany, India, and the United Arab Emirates are among the countries resisting US pressure to ban Huawei.

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      The New York Times reports U.S. Campaign to Ban Huawei Overseas Stumbles as Allies Resist

       

      Over the past several months, American officials have tried to pressure, scold and, increasingly, threaten other nations that are considering using Huawei in building fifth-generation, or 5G, wireless networks. Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, has pledged to withhold intelligence from nations that continue to use Chinese telecom equipment. The American ambassador to Germany cautioned Berlin this month that the United States would curtail intelligence sharing if that country used Huawei.

      But the campaign has run aground. Britain, Germany, India and the United Arab Emirates are among the countries signaling they are unlikely to back the American effort to entirely ban Huawei from building their 5G networks. While some countries like Britain share the United States’ concerns, they argue that the security risks can be managed by closely scrutinizing the company and its software.

      The United States is not ready to admit defeat, but its campaign has suffered from what foreign officials say is a scolding approach and a lack of concrete evidence that Huawei poses a real risk. It has also been hampered by a perception among European and Asian officials that President Trump may not be fully committed to the fight.

      Mr. Trump has repeatedly undercut his own Justice Department, which unveiled sweeping criminal indictments against Huawei and its chief financial officer with accusations of fraud, sanctions evasion and obstruction of justice. Mr. Trump has suggested that the charges could be dropped as part of a trade deal with China. The president previously eased penalties on another Chinese telecom firm accused of violating American sanctions, ZTE, after a personal appeal by President Xi Jinping of China.

      One senior European telecommunications executive said that no American officials had presented “actual facts” about China’s abuse of Huawei networks.

      But it's a Financial Times article that really explains what's going on. "The proliferation of our technology hampers American efforts to spy on whomever it wants," says Huawei executiuve Guo Ping in an Op-Ed article US Attacks on Huawei Betray its Fear of Being Left Behind.

      Ping points out that the US's NSA sought to "collect it all", every phone call or communication in the world.

      If the NSA wants to modify routers or switches in order to eavesdrop, a Chinese company will be unlikely to co-operate. This is one reason why the NSA hacked into Huawei’s servers. “Many of our targets communicate over Huawei-produced products,” a 2010 NSA document states. “We want to make sure that we know how to exploit these products.”

      No Evidence

      It is not surprising in the least that the US has conjured up fantasies that are roughly 180 degrees opposite of the view it presents in its bullying efforts.

      Despite demands of evidence by China, Germany, the UK and other countries that China poses a risk, the US has not shared a shred of evidence with anyone.

      The logical conclusion is the US has nothing but conjecture and a pack of lies.

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