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Q: Have you found a job and successfully left China before?

Maybe it's a stupid question, I just want to know how do you look for a job in your home country or another country when you still have 7 months or 6 months left on your contract in China, say if you're an ESL teacher. Please no snide remarks just honest answers from experienced people. I just don't want to have to live with my family or my gfs family while I'm unemployed if possible. But how do you tell someone you can only start in 6 months or something, I don't know? Any recommendations?

5 years 12 weeks ago in  Business & Jobs - Other cities

 
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 I can tell you right now that no ESL job in China is worth passing over a job offer in your country, if you want to leave. Seriously, what does your current job give you that would cause you to do such a thing? Professional development? A huge paycheck? Respect? Don't let a misplaced sense of professionalism or loyalty to Chinese employers dictate your life. I would not go so far as to say that an employer needs to earn those qualities in employees, but they shouldn't squander the right to expect them, either--and I have seen Chinese employers screw over their employees for nothing. Chinese are masters at using people's sense of morality against them.

You have a number of options, the first is to use the exit clause in your contract (I believe Chinese law now limits your employer to making you stay 1 month after stating that you will leave. Or, you could develop a really good relationship with your employer, and see if you can plead out with the dead grandmother or sick father when the time comes. Or, you could just leave. Chinese employers like to intimidate foreign employees with the exit papers--but those aren't as almighty as you might think. Even if you don't get the papers, and even if you want to work in China again....all you have to do is renew your passport. New passport=new number=carte blanche, as far as the Chinese government is concerned.  

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I look for jobs using the internet.

"I am currently working in China, and would mot be able to start until after December 3rd, 2015."

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This might get downvoted, but if you want to leave China for another job, and do not plan on coming back for sometime, and you have your passport, there is nothing stopping you from getting on a plane. Saying that most contracts have a break clause. All depends on what you want. If you got a job in your home country and very well paid, but needed to start in a month or so, very few people would turn it down if they no longer wanted to be in China. Happens all the time

 

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it wont be easy, because many wants a face to face interview.

So plan in a trip back for an interview...

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 I can tell you right now that no ESL job in China is worth passing over a job offer in your country, if you want to leave. Seriously, what does your current job give you that would cause you to do such a thing? Professional development? A huge paycheck? Respect? Don't let a misplaced sense of professionalism or loyalty to Chinese employers dictate your life. I would not go so far as to say that an employer needs to earn those qualities in employees, but they shouldn't squander the right to expect them, either--and I have seen Chinese employers screw over their employees for nothing. Chinese are masters at using people's sense of morality against them.

You have a number of options, the first is to use the exit clause in your contract (I believe Chinese law now limits your employer to making you stay 1 month after stating that you will leave. Or, you could develop a really good relationship with your employer, and see if you can plead out with the dead grandmother or sick father when the time comes. Or, you could just leave. Chinese employers like to intimidate foreign employees with the exit papers--but those aren't as almighty as you might think. Even if you don't get the papers, and even if you want to work in China again....all you have to do is renew your passport. New passport=new number=carte blanche, as far as the Chinese government is concerned.  

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Yeah I agree with Rachel.

 

I didn't leave but I got out of ESL while still on my first contract. Really theres not a whole lot some school or university can do. If they make trouble with the visa bureau they'll have trouble issuing visas in the future. The incentives are all for them to talk tough but when you leave not make a fuss over it.

 

There's not much of a future in ESL. Unless you're super ambitious and capable and put yourself in line for a management role but honestly if you're those things already you can probably do better elsewhere.

 

Nobody that wants you to stay in what is to you a dead end is your friend. Come on, it's not unprofessional to quit a job no matter what they say. It's very unlikely your classes are meaningful anyway. No offense but more than likely you're doing joke classes at a university OR you're just a private language school tutor. So if you leave that just means the shareholders of the school will be deprived of your prorated EBIT contribution.

 

Nothing to lose sleep over.

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Rachel is right. Most schools can't do much. They can make your life difficult here while in China and even get you blacklisted but once the passport number changes... they can't catch you. Their system is retarded and can only remember number or Chinese characters. Our names are too long and cryptic for them (trust me I know).

 

Most ESL training centers and schools offer little to no opportunity. Your Chinese employer may lie to you and make you feel like you are going to move up but it is very unlikely. It really depends on what you want to do with your life... if you want to be a teacher and build up experience. Sure, it can help a little. If you want to learn the ropes because starting your own ESL business, okay I can understand that.

 

But it has very little value on a resume/CV back home. Too many people are doing it these days and the only thing an employer will take from it is you had a gap year(Drunk and you are brave enough to travel on your own.

 

There are other ways to get jobs while in China. For example, if you teach yourself a freelance skill you can market online around the world like... software design, online marketing, blog writing, online team management or something... you could run into lots of clients that are interested in hiring you in-house. I had a few clients offer to bring me to L.A. and San Francisco (software Mecca spots) work in-house full-time because I proved myself.

 

Lots of ESL teachers have a ton of spare time, why not use it to learn an employable skill back home? I find a lot of people focus too much on problems rather than solutions. I ask many ESL teachers what they are going to do when they get back home...

 

The response: I don't know. Just find a simple job quick... maybe a waiter, work in a shop or something.

 

I just can't fathom why they didn't use their spare time here in China to rectify the situation they tried to escape. 90-95% of us are going to return home at some point, may as well prepare yourself now.

 

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go to craigs list look in the job section under education type in esl there are plenty of jobs in the us at colleges private schools etc good luck

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