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Q: How bad was it in your home country.......

I have been reading some of these posts on here and most of these "China Veterans"  write like they hate China. I get it though, China is not the best or easiest place in teh world to live....so why stay? It's actually quite hard to stay in china and with all the stuff they talk about it sounds like they are miserable. So why continue to put yourself through this horror? Is it the 2K usd a month you get thats such a great thing? lol

 

My question is, what were you running from in your own country that makes your situation in China better??And fight tooth and nail just to stay? 

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Hey Justin, welcome aboard and good on you for responding after you posted your question.

Have you been hanging out at expat bars to get your "facts"?

A lot of what you have been told is bollocks. I bought a house just like a local. I am the sole owner and i walk down the street holding hand with my wife everyday....nothing happens. I'm not running from anything and I'm certainly not here for the money..lol. I'm here because my wife wants to be near her parents in their twilight years. I am a complete douchebag, right

You sound like you have been in china a year or two. You're over the initial love affair where everything is amazing and you are so handsome and appear to have arrived at the expat bar - bitch about people who have been here longer than you. These stages are normal. We've all been there. I was a shocker. The old china hands have moved to a different stage where the novelty is worn off and cynical reality is the norm. Personally, i fluctuate between love and hate every few months. I think expats in any country you can name do the same. Everything is great for a while then everything annoys you for a few days. This is the nature of the beast.

As to your suggestion of the purpose of this site......it is different things to different people. If you are a crybaby snowflake who gets angry or offended easily then perhaps this is not the forum or country for you. Although i agree your basic assertion is valid, i have seen this question come and go dozens of times on different forums 8n china. The forums that attempted to reinvent the wheel died a painful slow death. Expat forums are best left to be organic....the good, bad and the ugly come and go. Trolls come and go. Butt-hurt candy asses come and go.

Post of lurk. Whatever you want. Have a whine or a spray. Great.....but please don't tell anyone that their comments are invalid. Even the crap i don't like or don't care about is valid to someone and i am not arrogant enough to suggest that they are wrong just because i think the post is shite. If you don't like the content or disagreement is making you feel superior....get over yourself.

Englteachted:

"I bought a house just like a local. I am the sole owner and i walk down the street holding hand with my wife everyday....nothing happens."

 

Depends on where. If you're black, you're wife is gonna get rude comments. Even if you're white people harass her with why are you with a foreigner. Remember the guy that was attacked in Beijing and gf killed, the guy in Fujian killed,  another guy was physically ganged up on. 

 

iWolf: will you walk out in public holding your wife's hand anywhere in China,in public?

 

The house thing may have changed in the last few years because they needed to increase sales

 

 

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My GF was saying to me 'holding hands is childish ..'  .... during the day.

No complains in nighttime, thou .

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Yes Eted, i will walk anywhere holding my wife's hand....actually it's usually her holding mine. Perhaps you are correct and it does depend upon where you are. Here in the deep south of guangdong it is pretty civilised and nothing much bothers people. As to the buying a house deal, i don't think much has changed. If you want to blow a wad then everyone concerned will cooperate to make it happen so they each get their slice of the action.

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Why do you think im new to China? because I don't have disgruntled feelings and post them on the internet? Ive been coming to china since 2009. What has what I have been told be bollocks?

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But asking a question and getting troll answers from teh 15 people who frequent this site is not productive or good in any way. it's not being a snowflake for calling that out. 9 times out of 10 its unwarranted.Its called answers but its not really. Any new question get put in the " fake account"  category and insults and laid on them...If you are new to this site you will think whats going on?

 

If that is what this site is, thats what it is. I think the trolls hold the site back for sure.  Its not my website, I dont care what happens to it,  I notice the expat community is angrier and disgruntled then other foreigners in asian countries. And there is a good reason for that....

 

 

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All im asking is this...the people who "vent" about chinas negative aspects all the time... These are not minor things, work visa, racism, no security ect.... What is the attraction for these people? Is it family keeping them here? jobs? whats the motive? I'm not looking for " Im a loser" answer.... Im just curious what keeps them here..and what makes china the place you decided to stay? is it money? sex? culture?  All i know is why they hate china...not why they like it. 

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Hahaha....excellent reply Justin. A classic "pot, kettle, black" response. Keep the gormless comedy coming dude. I don't know what your angle is nor do i care very much but i have to say that a lot of the stereotypes you are pullijg out of your arse are just that. "I've been coming to china since 2009"......what does that mean? You are independently wealthy and come here to broker business deals? Some sort of socially awkward oddball who needs to move every year or so (trainwreck to trainwreck)? What's your deal mate? Wouldn't you think that telling your story would elicit more of the sort of comment you are clearly fishing for? Throw me a bone mate.

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You siad I was like a person who is new and knows nothing about china, insinuating I dont know any better and should be just as disgruntled as everyone else once I see "the real" china.

 

China is fucked up in a certain sense. i get....but if I felt so strongly against teh place and it people and laws, why live here? 

 

The reason i come is because my wifes family is here and I like the place. My job in Canada is seasonal and I can spend 5 month of the year in china if I choose. I've stayed 2 years before full time but the last 5 years or so just 5 months at a time.

 

i understand staying for long periods of time the place gets to you....almost can become unbearable I would imagine after 5+ years straight. So whats the reason people have for staying fulltime?

 

its just teh way people talk about their experience on here, they make it out like its hell on earth. And last I check no one forcing foreigner to stay in china...

 

I should have said teh title differently. i should have said not just your home country, but what makes china stand out from anywhere to you?  I assume most people on here have a passport that allows them to go pretty much anywhere...alot easier then it is to go to china... What makes people pick China over Japan or Korea and any other SE Asian country or anywhere for that matter?

 

everyone has a different answer...family, job, travel ect....just curious what makes it worth staying if it's so bad?

 

 

 

 

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Iwolf... If I had answer of the day powers... you would win with this.

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I came to China, because America has been ripped off by them since Nixon and I'm here to get some of my money back and stay out of America so I don't give them anymore when I shop there. I left when Hussein was elected and unlike liberals who threaten to leave, I actually walk the walk and not just talk the talk. I am stuck here now because Trump has lived his whole life in debt and I really think he will bankrupt the system. India is my next move before China and America fall off a cliff together. Both countries have printed money like crazy, gdp debt totally unsustainable and tariff wars is the last bullet in the battle. It's already over.

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Typical CCP propaganda, foreigners come to work in China because it was bad in their home country. But what about people who just wanted to try something different? What about people who were just curious about China (in my case Communism), what about those who simply wanted you experience a different life, what about those living out their retirement. 

You see, the idea of someone having motives other than money and survival is a foreign concept. Someone screwed China up so bad that these were the only motives money and survival. This is why I can tell a Wumao because they exhibit  this limited thinking. 

Next bit, inability to correctly process criticism and blind to the facts behind it. If you read this board you'd notice we criticize our home countries just as much as we criticize China. We simply debate what we think is wrong. But nationalist are incapable of understanding that criticisms does not equal hate. Their brain damaged way of viewing the world is so far off the scale of reality that you start to doubt your own sanity.  I criticize America, do I hate America? No, according to the Nationalist, I'm an agent for America. I criticize China, I hate China, no exception. 

 

Justin: Let me ask you some questions. A few weeks ago, the letter N was banned in China, Winnie the Pooh is forever banned in China, the eye rolling video and talking about it is banned, isn't that silly? Yes or no

Does saying it's silly mean you hate China?

I point out the fact, this is a fact, that food counterfeiting is widespread in China and that you should be careful, does that mean I hate China?

I say America's gun laws are ridiculous, I say American s are ignorant and a lot more critiques. 

Please answer those simple questions. 

 

Let me answer your question, I was working 60-70 hours a week. Retirement was 20 years away (estimate) and I wanted to take it easy for a bit until then or take a break. 

I wanted to study a Communist country (at first for my personal enlightenment now it's going to be my Master's thesis)

I had interest in Chinese culture (didn't realize that Chinese culture only exists in Taiwan)

 

That's what factored in coming to China to work, of course that's changed and I have to stay longer than anticipated.

 

Please, I've been trying to get trolls to answer some basic questions and they all avoid answering. 

justinmullen:

I hear what you are saying but you point it out here pretty well..

 

Can you buy a house like a local, no.

Can you open your own business, no. (need a local partner who can steal it away from you)

Can you work in a field where your talents are better suited, no.

Can you defend yourself against attack, no. 

https://newsone.com/3760203/wendell-brown-china-prison/

 

Can you walk the street holding your gf/ wife's hand without harassment, no.

Can you sue for compensation, no.

 

That sounds horrible, why would someone with a western passport choose to live here permanently? And not only that. go through all the hoops for visa ect, If you come to china for a year or 2 these things wont bother you too much, but when you choose to live here for life, whats the catch? whats the attraction? The only reason I can see people stay is for the work. And people with kids should really think twice...Chinas cool for a visit or a short term stay, but they dont want us here. Hence the visa and immigration laws...

 

it just seems odd to me that people will complain about a place they willing live with nothing holding them there, they hold themselves there.You think people would choose a place more welcoming...especially with a passport that allows you to pretty much go anywhere.

 

People can critic china all day until they are blue in the face, that's just a waste of breath. If anything all it does it make Chinese people resent you more. Its not a winning situation.

 

i could be wrong, this is just my observation.

BTW I never down voted you.

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Justin I might have to apologize to you. You passed the troll test

 

But you're clearly taking my answer to a specific question out of context. That does not mean I'm staying here permanently. I was stating facts to contradict the BS posted by the OP.

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I'm not talking about you specifically, like scotalan and few others.The more i read the more it seems weird to me...

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Let me address the rest of your points here

 

it just seems odd to me that people will complain about a place they willing live with nothing holding them there, they hold themselves there.You think people would choose a place more welcoming...especially with a passport that allows you to pretty much go anywhere.

 

Living here is not only about pleasure it's about learning about the world outside of the comforts of the US. My experiences here, good and bad are reshaping my core views. Most Americans have no idea what the world is really like , good or bad. I've learned that other countries are really trying to fuck over America (look up unrestricted warfare), people are blaming Trump if there's a trade War, but China's been engaged in a Trade war against western countries for over a decade. 

I comp[lain because I care. My friends and family are affected by what goes on here. My brother in-law is constantly being harassed by police because of his social media activity for example. 

If the topic is the mideast I complain about US's involvement and drone strikes. 

But I do get pleasure speaking truth to people who try to spread propaganda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I hear ya but doing it in China seems not a good idea, especially since we live here. They ban the letter N and winning the pooh...I think pissing these guys off is good for my health. Im not going to act tough and poke the dragon while im in its lair.Life is too short to be dealing with that shit. American is starting to do a type of Chinese censorship thing with youtube and facebook..Canada, even more, so....its not to the point of china style censorship...but they are trying.

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I'm not tough , this is anonymous, they can't find me through this

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most of the guys here who talk bad about china may or may not actually be in china, even if they claim to be. what you can be more sure about is that theyre shils who are trained in the art of deception. they come here with an agenda, which just goes to show how insecure the west is, that they need to hire shils to make china look bad

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riiiight edgy, and you're here shilling because...?

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My take on this is....

 

So people decide to go work in China for a year or two for the usual reasons...travel, do something different and interesting, learn the language, personal development etc.

 

Most people will see the good and the bad and if you don't pack your bags and leave after the first year it's probably because the good factors outweigh the bad. Yeah there's the poor hygiene and all that but you're having fun, it's interesting, you like your job and saving some money so why not stay another year or two?

 

And then you get into a serious relationship and land a much better job. And that's where things can get difficult. Now you have some ties to the place, life is pretty good and leaving is a bit more complicated than just getting a job somewhere else and buying a ticket but it's ok, the good still outweighs the bad and China is still a good place to be at this stage of your life.

 

Another few years go by, you're married with a kid now with the inlaws living in the same city and that's great, your better half loves her life but the China honeymoon period has worn off for you now. The bad has started to outweigh the good and by now you speak the language pretty well, you understand a lot more of what's going on around you and you're finding the place is really starting to get to you.

 

A few years later you've just had enough of the place and China is getting a lot less welcoming to foreigners. If you were single you'd be on a plane tomorrow but the wife could never leave her elderly parents, her whole life is there so you're pretty much stuck where you are.

 

And that is why a lot of people stay in China when they obviously hate the place.

 

There is also the fact that some people just feel the need to vent and complain about the negatives sometimes. It's that or explode and punch somebody. You try not to bring complaining (venting)it into your personal relationships so when you find an online forum where people get where you're coming from, that's what you do.

 

 

justinmullen:

I understand this.

A few years later you've just had enough of the place and China is getting a lot less welcoming to foreigners. If you were single you'd be on a plane tomorrow but the wife could never leave her elderly parents, her whole life is there so you're pretty much stuck where you are.

 

But its also situations like that create angry and miserable people.

 

 

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Yep, when you're in a place or situation you don't want to be, you won't be happy. That's a fact that's true wherever you happen to be living.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Justin, welcome aboard and good on you for responding after you posted your question.

Have you been hanging out at expat bars to get your "facts"?

A lot of what you have been told is bollocks. I bought a house just like a local. I am the sole owner and i walk down the street holding hand with my wife everyday....nothing happens. I'm not running from anything and I'm certainly not here for the money..lol. I'm here because my wife wants to be near her parents in their twilight years. I am a complete douchebag, right

You sound like you have been in china a year or two. You're over the initial love affair where everything is amazing and you are so handsome and appear to have arrived at the expat bar - bitch about people who have been here longer than you. These stages are normal. We've all been there. I was a shocker. The old china hands have moved to a different stage where the novelty is worn off and cynical reality is the norm. Personally, i fluctuate between love and hate every few months. I think expats in any country you can name do the same. Everything is great for a while then everything annoys you for a few days. This is the nature of the beast.

As to your suggestion of the purpose of this site......it is different things to different people. If you are a crybaby snowflake who gets angry or offended easily then perhaps this is not the forum or country for you. Although i agree your basic assertion is valid, i have seen this question come and go dozens of times on different forums 8n china. The forums that attempted to reinvent the wheel died a painful slow death. Expat forums are best left to be organic....the good, bad and the ugly come and go. Trolls come and go. Butt-hurt candy asses come and go.

Post of lurk. Whatever you want. Have a whine or a spray. Great.....but please don't tell anyone that their comments are invalid. Even the crap i don't like or don't care about is valid to someone and i am not arrogant enough to suggest that they are wrong just because i think the post is shite. If you don't like the content or disagreement is making you feel superior....get over yourself.

Englteachted:

"I bought a house just like a local. I am the sole owner and i walk down the street holding hand with my wife everyday....nothing happens."

 

Depends on where. If you're black, you're wife is gonna get rude comments. Even if you're white people harass her with why are you with a foreigner. Remember the guy that was attacked in Beijing and gf killed, the guy in Fujian killed,  another guy was physically ganged up on. 

 

iWolf: will you walk out in public holding your wife's hand anywhere in China,in public?

 

The house thing may have changed in the last few years because they needed to increase sales

 

 

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My GF was saying to me 'holding hands is childish ..'  .... during the day.

No complains in nighttime, thou .

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Yes Eted, i will walk anywhere holding my wife's hand....actually it's usually her holding mine. Perhaps you are correct and it does depend upon where you are. Here in the deep south of guangdong it is pretty civilised and nothing much bothers people. As to the buying a house deal, i don't think much has changed. If you want to blow a wad then everyone concerned will cooperate to make it happen so they each get their slice of the action.

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Why do you think im new to China? because I don't have disgruntled feelings and post them on the internet? Ive been coming to china since 2009. What has what I have been told be bollocks?

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But asking a question and getting troll answers from teh 15 people who frequent this site is not productive or good in any way. it's not being a snowflake for calling that out. 9 times out of 10 its unwarranted.Its called answers but its not really. Any new question get put in the " fake account"  category and insults and laid on them...If you are new to this site you will think whats going on?

 

If that is what this site is, thats what it is. I think the trolls hold the site back for sure.  Its not my website, I dont care what happens to it,  I notice the expat community is angrier and disgruntled then other foreigners in asian countries. And there is a good reason for that....

 

 

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All im asking is this...the people who "vent" about chinas negative aspects all the time... These are not minor things, work visa, racism, no security ect.... What is the attraction for these people? Is it family keeping them here? jobs? whats the motive? I'm not looking for " Im a loser" answer.... Im just curious what keeps them here..and what makes china the place you decided to stay? is it money? sex? culture?  All i know is why they hate china...not why they like it. 

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Hahaha....excellent reply Justin. A classic "pot, kettle, black" response. Keep the gormless comedy coming dude. I don't know what your angle is nor do i care very much but i have to say that a lot of the stereotypes you are pullijg out of your arse are just that. "I've been coming to china since 2009"......what does that mean? You are independently wealthy and come here to broker business deals? Some sort of socially awkward oddball who needs to move every year or so (trainwreck to trainwreck)? What's your deal mate? Wouldn't you think that telling your story would elicit more of the sort of comment you are clearly fishing for? Throw me a bone mate.

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You siad I was like a person who is new and knows nothing about china, insinuating I dont know any better and should be just as disgruntled as everyone else once I see "the real" china.

 

China is fucked up in a certain sense. i get....but if I felt so strongly against teh place and it people and laws, why live here? 

 

The reason i come is because my wifes family is here and I like the place. My job in Canada is seasonal and I can spend 5 month of the year in china if I choose. I've stayed 2 years before full time but the last 5 years or so just 5 months at a time.

 

i understand staying for long periods of time the place gets to you....almost can become unbearable I would imagine after 5+ years straight. So whats the reason people have for staying fulltime?

 

its just teh way people talk about their experience on here, they make it out like its hell on earth. And last I check no one forcing foreigner to stay in china...

 

I should have said teh title differently. i should have said not just your home country, but what makes china stand out from anywhere to you?  I assume most people on here have a passport that allows them to go pretty much anywhere...alot easier then it is to go to china... What makes people pick China over Japan or Korea and any other SE Asian country or anywhere for that matter?

 

everyone has a different answer...family, job, travel ect....just curious what makes it worth staying if it's so bad?

 

 

 

 

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Iwolf... If I had answer of the day powers... you would win with this.

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I came to China, because America has been ripped off by them since Nixon and I'm here to get some of my money back and stay out of America so I don't give them anymore when I shop there. I left when Hussein was elected and unlike liberals who threaten to leave, I actually walk the walk and not just talk the talk. I am stuck here now because Trump has lived his whole life in debt and I really think he will bankrupt the system. India is my next move before China and America fall off a cliff together. Both countries have printed money like crazy, gdp debt totally unsustainable and tariff wars is the last bullet in the battle. It's already over.

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For what it is worth here is my take on it. I am 64 years old, semi-retired, married to a Chinese lady for eleven years and still going strong. As to how bad it was in my home country, England, here is that side of the story.

I had been running my own accountancy practice in England since 1994 and when I got married for the second time my wife came to live in England as well. We both agreed that the weather was cold, everything was too expensive and the social life really not that great. We were in a small coastal town of about 40k people. however we made themost of the life we had, the only thing tying us to the place was the fact all of my business clients were from that area. The things I really hated were the fact it did not matter how much more I earned each year we were always trying to catch up with inflation, in other words running to stand still. The weather I always disliked, cold dreary and never really warm apart from the odd few nice summer days. A small group of friends, who we still see, but apart from that social life was pretty dead. Five years down the road and we decided it was time to change and so we made the choice to come to China, closer to my wife's family. We had made four trips back here in the five years she was away, and I guess I was lucky with her family in that they never expect to interfere in how we run our lives and as far as finances go the only time we offered money to help with her dad's hospital stay they flat out refused and said they had plenty enough and our money was our money.

So, in 2011 we arrive here in Nanning, having sold everything we owned in England, so no running back if we did not like it. We always said that if it did not work in China we would move on to somewhere new. I am very much a "wherever I lay my hat is my home" type of person. I do not get sentimental over things, what is done is done. First stage of newbie life kicks in, everything here is wonderfull, why can't England be like this.  You all know what I mean. Then the swing goes back the other way and it becomes what a sh**hole full of ignorant, third world peasants. Well that wasn't exactly a realistic way of looking at it either. So having gotten over the extreme views I settled into a more balanced outlook.

 The things I like here are the fact that my wife is able to see her friends and family more often and if she is happy I am happy. I have made a good group of friends from America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, England and yes, China as well, So our social lives have improved greatly. We do share common friends from her group and mine. The baics of living are way cheaper here than back home so our finances go a lot further, it has enabled us to save and invest most of our money at good rates of return so that when I finally decide to completely retire our income will be generous. The weather is more to my liking, sub-tropical and pretty warm most of the year.

The things I do not like here is the "that will do attitude" to most things. The mentality that says it just about works so that will do, very few people seem to want to actually do a good job. The cheap rubbish that most people buy and accept as perfectly ok when it falls apart within a year, as opposed to the good quality stuff which is available but seems to cost an arm and a leg to buy. The fixation with money at all costs. I have nothing against anyone having more money but when the chase for money becomes the sole purpose, it becomes soul destroying. The shallowness of a lot of people who know nothing outside of media "stars", latest fashion and blatant nationalism but are quite prepared to give their perspective on the outside world and the reasons why it is not as good as China. The complete selfishness and rudeness of a lot of people whose only care in the world is theirself. The inability to even think for theirselves and the lack of desire to even want to try to. Having said that not all Chinese are that way but there are more than enough to make it seem so, until you stop and remember the ones that do stand out from the crowd.

It is a long way from perfect here, but nowhere is perfect. We just have to choose the crap we are prepared to live with, or ignore, wherever we are. Overall I am happier here than I was in England and if the day comes when we feel we have had enough then there are plenty of other places to try.

justinmullen:

i think this is one of the most honest comments ive read on here. It's rational and realistic. You live a better life then you did in the UK, i respect that. At least you are honest about it. We have the same thought on this...

 

First stage of newbie life kicks in, everything here is wonderfull, why can't England be like this.  You all know what I mean. Then the swing goes back the other way and it becomes what a sh**hole full of ignorant, third world peasants. Well that wasn't exactly a realistic way of looking at it either. So having gotten over the extreme views I settled into a more balanced outlook.

 

And im not trying to bash china at all...in fact, i like the way things are run here. I just wonder why some people on here would bash china and Chinese people and yet choose to live here. i just know myself if I felt that negative about China, my ass would not be here.i dont think I would invest my life and time in a place were i felt that way

 

Just my own opinion

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JustinMullen.

As a usermod on this site, let me explain why we are here... the ten or so regular posters.

First up. My opinions and politics are not connected to this site. I have had no contact with this sites admin for more than a year.

We post here because we want to help. As soon as a genuine question is spotted... we are on it.

To pass the time, while waiting for a genuine question, we rip the shit out of each other, and China, because why not.

But trust me on this, the moment we are asked a real question, the asker has decades of foreigner in China knowledge at his disposal. And we will all help abundently.

But questions are a bit slow at the moment. Technolgy changes and.platforms move.

Us posters sort of like ECC. We want to keep it going.

Because... telling you the truth.

When aliens land on earth and do the ' take me to your leader' thing... The posters on this forum are probably the most qualified to start discussions.

Chill out, enjoy the debates, contribute and do full on red face rants.

Welcome to the forum

justinmullen:

I thought you just a dumb troll.... you're also a usermod?? Wow...this site is more screwed than i originally thought. which trolls here are user mods? Are all of them? it's all starting to make sense now.

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Actually, he takes most of the brunt from the trolls on here.

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Consider this Justin.

I am a Scottish Engineer, with a Chinese wife and a Chinese child.

On wechat groups, I vent about American politics, South African politics, British politics. The whole world is criticised by me.

On ECC, I am considered an anti American pro commie apologist.

Thats good. I am a commie.

Last year, a Chinese enginering colleague who is now my boss suggested I was a weak man because I could earn more money for my family in the UK than I could here. He told me money was number one, and that I should take my family to the UK where I could earn more.

I told him to fuck off.

I said why dont you go to uk? The company wants you there..You can go no problem.

He said... Nah... UK is shit.

There is a cultural asumption in China that failure to meet earning potential is a devilish crime.

There is a cultural attitude in the west, we only have one life. So lets fucking enjoy it.

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If you had better reading comprehension you would know why Scots is a C. 

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I know why he is a C, he does not qualify for an A or B. That's quite simple.

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Does that even matter, I think I'm a C so what?

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The family keeps most people here. They may hate China but it keeps them here. Not a lot of single men are lifers in China. Family i think is the prison that keeps people in China, That's the only reason I go to China. I think most of the main user on here all have wife and kids. Although im not forced to live here, but I will always be connected to China.

ambivalentmace:

I have a daughter here in China and I feel like I have violated her human rights before birth because I live in China. It's something I have to live with everyday. She does not want for anything or know about the evils of the world, but one day she will discover that she was born in hell, I hope I'm dead before that day happens.

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These Pollyanna questions about "If China sucks so much then why stay?" are nothing new here at ECC. I remember when I was a new bug and asking similar questions.

I like China, that's why I stay. I like the cost of living, the pay, the culture (mostly), the people (mostly), and a host of other things.

There's a bunch of stuff I don't like as well. When the Day comes when the bad outweighs the good then I'll leave.

nzteacher80:

Had a beer with Scots the other day - he's a top bloke.

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Cool, see that's a reasonable answer unlike the people on here who for some odd reason get defensive about this topic.

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@justinmullen
What's the deal with self edit....i wanted to read a comment with 7 downvotes. They are usually the best comments in a thread. You self-edited it down to the dots.

Come on mate. I have to admit that although you are a one trick pony, you are a fair troll and have some skills at poking the metaphorical bear but you are going to hit butt-hurt-burn-out soon.

justinmullen:

They were responses to comments, I accidentally made a new post, it wont let me delete them. The downvotes all come wiithin an hour by Im assuming an ECC admin or troll with sock puppet account.....it was not from 7 different people..only 15 people use this site.

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Haha you're funny man and lacking in math skills, you used the term "veteran" that means we make much much more than $2k , try $5k to $10k.. You are definitely a funny guy.. When can we find you? We have a veteran way of saying hi.

justinmullen:

Hey man, Im glad you can get a job teaching for 120K USD a year. So if that is your reason for staying, good for you man.

 

You have cool new veteran way of saying hi??? Well lets meet up and you can tell me what its all about. I live in Binjiang, its a district in Hangzhou. If you want Ill private message you my address and you can come tell me all about it, or I can come to you...it's up to you.

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Your English makes it impossible to tell where you are really from, so are you Chinese? You are clearly uneducated .Sure send me the address, my mates and I would love to meet you, Beijing is our exericse joint for yearly runs on the great wall.

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@admin, it's time to delete this trouble maker..

justinmullen:

Why? for asking why people who seemingly hate china yet continue to stay here?

Yep, ive cross the line, delete me.

You are one of the helpful and less hateful to China than most on here. I would concider you rude at times, but I would not associate you with this question, i don't see you bashing china all the time. Why so defensive? This question was not directed at you...you don't fit that description do you?

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Ironman, i disagree. As i said above, he is a one trick pony (so far). And i know Justin and that other clown, what's is name.... Jean or something are obviously mates bent on a bit of mayhem. Great! And yes i see they are exactly what they most despise themselves but we should let them roll with it or we are no better than they...J&j, who want the site moderated into the ground and harmonised into a unicornland; a friendly utopia where cute bunny rabbits fart butterflies and shit rainbows. And they and their other mates/aliases may provide a bit of comedy.

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No one hates China, we don't like certain things,  maybe cultural differences, I am America and I don't like some things there too, I think this is normal human behavior, nobody is meant to like everything in life.  So I call you out as a pure 100% troublemaker who gets off on replies of social media and forums like this one. @all, don't play into his mind games, he's clearly mentally unstable. Just ignore him, we have the right to say what we like or don't like about things anywhere in the world, well not the Thai King if you are there lol. I love working in China and I love my Chinese wife and kids, great life here, I hate bad habits of spitting and wee wee on the streets but hey I hate guns more in the U.S, so I'll take China any day.

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disagree Ironman. I strongly disagree with him, think he's an idiot but he can post his stupid thoughts like anyone else

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