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Q: How to deal with my dick collegue?

My collegues always judge foreigners in a way like they know everything.Some are bad judgement like foreigners smell bad.Everytime I tried to correct their judgement.But finally I got them pissed off.And they called me a person who worship foreign things and fawn on foreign powers.I was enduring those bad name calling from them for keeping the job since they are older employees in the company.(They might speak bad things about me for my boss to fire me)But this afternoon after we finished the work,the old engineer got very angry with me and shouted to me and called me bad name.He said I earn chinese wage,I live in China but I always like talking foreign things to him.After that,he call me I should not worship foreign things and fawn on foreign powers.It really made me feel bad to work in the company now.He is an enginner here,around 50 years old,in my perspective,my boss won't fire an enginner.But I feel bad to work here with him.What should I do?Quit the job or tell my boss?

There are three people in my office.Three of them are being mean to me,two of them said I worship foreign things and fawn on foreign things.Another one is at my similar age,when I told that one guy approached me and tried to seduce me in the bar,he then asked why not seduce others,just you.I bet he thinks that I am act like whore there.

I feel insulted in this fucking company.Should I leave?All of them are originally from poor provinces in China,where generally people are much more traditional and narrow minded.

 

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if you want to stick with the company, bring english magazines and newspapers with you and always look happy, the appearance of happiness and success is the best revenge, if its to much trouble, start looking for another job, never a good idea to burn bridges or piss off the boss, so smile and make them angrier. always have a new job before you quit the old one. 

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Really good advice. Vicky, make sure you pay attention to the last sentence. Make sure you have a new job first before you quit.

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Victoria1987:

I came back to home and calmed down.I think I will stay in this company still,if it is too much trouble I will look for a new job in western company before quit.

I think narrow minded and rude people could be in most comapnies.But usually more professional company at least won't insult and shout to collegues in the office.lol

Plus I find the business in my company is shitty,because it is a trading company sells goods in a higer price and boss does not invest much money for marketing on a better business channels.I will still have to stay more to decide.The only things good are the payment is not bad even it is not high and it is a less pressure job without too much traveling and overtime works.

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I have seen this before, or at least friends of mine have, and a girlfriend has. It usually comes from guys.

 

When the comments get back to me they are always much the same. " foreigners think they are better than us" (they had never met me so they wouldn't know either way) or "you worship foreigners" (and not us I assume).

 

What I take from these comments are this. The guys saying it probably have no self esteem and just assume everyone looks down on them, and deep down they most likely think it's justified. If that's what they think there's a good chance it really is justified. And they're angry about that but don't have what it takes to improve themselves. You remind them of their inadequacies.

 

So, when you get attitude from those guys and you understand where it comes from, try not to be pissed off even though that's the natural reaction. It's not worth it and they probably deserve your pity more than your anger.

 

 

 

 

 

Victoria1987:

I was so angry and over- reacted today.What if those ppl do tricks on me and tell something bad about me to my boss?Or what if they call me bad names again in the office? Any advice to deal with this tough situation.I reacted today and they probally hate me more I guess.

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Sorry, I really have no good advice when it comes to dealing with Chinese office politics, other than just to keep your head down, look for a job where you don't need to deal with imbeciles, and remember the problem is all theirs and not yours.

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I know what to do.

Ask one of your laowai friends to put on a nice suit and visit your office for a few minutes.

Show him around and introduce him to your dick colleagues.
They will smile and be polite. Have your friend to ask him to give him a tour. He will. Then after they are friendly have your friend leave.

Then when he is gone walk over to your dick colleagues and say " haha you are not a man at all. You talk so mich shit about foreigners but when one is in front of you you are kissing his ass. You shouldnt worship foreigners you know. By the way. Foreigners dont smell bad, but your vagina does mei nv! Haha"

Then go immediately start searching for a new job.

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you might want to have the new job already before you do something like that

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Victoria1987:

Good idear.If one day I decide to quit,I will humitate this guy before I leave.

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It seems to me like he's doing a great job of that himself.

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Haha, that would be something! 

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Revenge is a dish best served cold

Old saying from the Mafiosi in Sicily. Tells that the best payback is the one that comes with cold, careful planning, and that brings the most horrendous pain to your enemies when they are not expecting it.  It means do not operate/plan your action from your emotions, but from logic.

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How to do my revenge then?

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wipe his hard drive ?

 

*just be careful vicky...   lotsa people might also come looking for revenge back...   no sense getting hurt by some loser who is jealous/envious of u.

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Serious think about revenge for me.I hate them.I may do it now or when i quit

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Hey Vicky, 

 

It is a rough situation. To have an open mind amongst people that want you to close it and conform to their way of thinking really sucks. Here is my solution, do the first and then the second but make sure you have another job lined up. 

 

- The smart solution (keeping your job): Next time, tell them they were right and join in with them and make remarks as well (like all of the sudden you totally agree with them). Tell them stories about how awful foreigners are and how Chinese are so much better. You will please their ego and have less drama or negative interactions with them. Of course, you don't mean any of it (just bullshit) but it is a form of manipulation. You are manipulating them like the narrow-minded fools they are... to make your life easier. Then when you are ready to quit... 

 

- The revenge solution (who cares): I like Mike's solution, it is hilarious. Also, you should throw in more things to insult the men and women on the way out. You have to be prepared to burn bridges though... make some remarks to hurt their egos while on the way out. Mike was saying... "see you aren't real men..." cause they don't say things to people's faces. You could throw in foreigners are better in bed (which I have heard from Chinese/foreign girls that they are), are better equipped (which I know, from horrible encounters in the locker rooms). That kind of stuff really pisses insecure men off. It may even piss off the women because their men at home probably last 5 seconds (when they do sleep together) and probably have a xiao san or something and don't even look at their wives anymore.

 

 

 

 

Victoria1987:

I wanted to calm down.But tonight I feel so sad and depressed after being shouted to and bad name calling by crazy collegue.It is too much for me to endure for now.I feel too sad and can not have mood to go back to work now.What should I do?He shouted to me and calledcme bad name loudly in front of me.He said I should not like foreign thing because I am Chinese.Fucking crazy...He is an old employee,the other ppl would only help him.Actually the other two are the same to him.This guy made me very sad now.I do not have mood to eat,sleep and work.What can I do? The other three are older employees and insulted me almost every day it made me super bad to work with three these kind of ppl.One called me worship foreign is a 34 year old woman. But the old guy shouted to me and imsulted me more. Should I tell my boss? But it is hard to ask day off,how can i go to interview if i apply new job?

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Boss called me today to go to the company's invested company together with the guy called me bad name.Funny jokes.

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Vicky

the people you work with are not your family and not your friends: you don't have to like them and they don't have to like you - you only work with them

they are just your colleagues

just do your job, do it well

you have to stop being so sensitive to other people's comments and learn to just ignore them.

 

xinyuren:

The best advice so far.  You really are her best friend and she doesn't know or appreciate it.

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Doesn't work like that in China. In Chinese companies and under Chinese management, they have "group think" and try to create the illusion of a family for purpose of guilt. 

 

If you get a bunch of people against you at work, you are pretty much on your way out the day in China. They don't uphold their contracts and fire Chinese for any dumb reason. Either that or they will make her feel so bad, she will quit and then management can blame her for leaving. 

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possibly true, but by buckling down, being professional and doing a good job, as well as ignoring baited comments can do a lot for professional standing.

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Girl cannot 'dick' anybody. Only men can dick.....buTT.....I have another Q in the similar direction:

 

'When women and men will be throughly equal?'

 

 

 

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If you sleep with all of them, they will be nicer to you.

Victoria1987:

You made jokes when I am really sad and helpless.You are disgusting.

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Redguard:

Good advice, they will like u more if you get on your knees and suck them off everyday.

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Maybe you should demonstrate first, Redguard.

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Redguard:

Sure, get down on your knees and suck my dick. I will talk you through it.

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When I first saw the question I thought you were asking what to do with your collegue's dick, hahahaha. There is a saying Victoria The is no smoke without fire. Maybe you talk 2 much about foreign guys. Maybe they think you are addicted to white dick and you are some kind of a whore?

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A small mind assole here.lol.

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Redguard:

Small minded asshole. I was listening in my English class. You were just imagining sucking your teachers dick.

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coineineagh:

Hey Redguard! White dick is quite addictive for Chinese girls. You should try some, to see what all the fuss is about.

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Redguard:

Its ok, i prefer white pussy. Besides if i sucked on dick there would be none for you.

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xunliang:

Someone's having a bad day. Get off the internet and get a real life Redguard. 

Real easy to sit behind the safety of your computer and act tough isn't it?  

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Everyday is a good day for me bro! I seem to remember seeing you write some smack the other day too. Yeah, it is time to go out. Money to spend, people to do. Adios

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Vicky, from your forum posts I know you to be strong-willed, proud and opinionated. You can even be smart when you talk of things that are not about you, but that is rare. It's a stark contrast to the average Chinese person, and quite refreshing to witness. But your colleague may be right about you, at least in part. I can imagine that you are vocal about your westernized opinions at the workplace, and that this is extremely unsettling for an old engineer who has always been accustomed to workers wanting peaceful harmony at all costs. People in China are used to receiving compliments about China, which they connect to their own ego. You know this. If you say anything bad about China, you are a foreign agent trying to disrupt harmony, foster instability and incite rebellion in their glorious homeland. They'll be hanging on the phone to whatever snitch line exists to rat you out to the government, and wait with baited breath for the police cronies to drag you away in chains (which doesn't happen *anymore*).

My advice: Tell him, in public or private, that you will try to be less vocal about your opinions, and you hope he will too. In western culture, the person who makes the first move to resolve a conflict is the moral victor, and intelligent people will acknowledge this. In China, you 'gave in' to his demands, and he gains face as a result.

If you are serious about your pro-western attitude, it's time to stop *saying* you are superior, and start *showing* that you might be...

p.s. I'd like to comment on your attitude, if you'll hear me out. You show it most clearly in this thread, where you try to commiserate about anti-foreigner ignorance in China, but get shot down for it: http://answers.echinacities.com/question/here-are-some-funny-words-i-hav...

It happens often in China, that when local Chinese associate with westerners in any way (dating, trading, traveling, befriending, etc.), they start to put on airs of superiority. Hong Kongers refer to Mainlanders as "Locusts", Canadian Chinese call them "Lao Zhong" as a funny contrast to laowai. But this kind of behaviour demonstrates your pettiness, not your superiority. Being a better person requires you to let go of childish concepts like guanxi and mianzi, and show that you are motivated by rational, mature, balanced concerns. Right now, you're just a wannabe, but I seriously hope you can learn to *be*. We don't respect wannabes in the west.

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Westerners don't respect self rightous assholes either.

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Redguard: You and I basically said the same thing to Vicky, that she needed to tone her attitude down in the workplace. I took the time to be detailed and respectful, while you could barely communicate your message through all your Freudian penis envy. Perhaps I'm a bit self-righteous, bit I'm definitely not the asshole here.

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Victoria1987:

Coineineagh,I apperiate some kinds words you said to me.

But be careful with what you called me with pro-western.

Pro-western=worship foreign things and fawn on foreign power.

That is quite a narrow minded judgement.

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No, pro-western means supporting western values and/or people. The exaggerated caricatures of west-loving-worshiping you equate them to are just images that locals force upon the issue. It's called 'signing statements'. President Geaorge W. Bush was a perfect example: "You're either with us or against us." meaning, "if you don't want USA to go to war with muslim countries and kill countless innocent people, then you must love/worship/fawn over terrorists." Many westerners have learned (through trial and error) to recognize such manipulative language. Your Chinese colleagues made exactly such a signing statement, making your pro-western opinions seem unwholesome. You are definitely pro-western whether you like it or not, but it doesn't carry the meaning you think it does.

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These needle dicks and moldy vaginas are saying things to get a reaction. 

 

 

Learn to ignore them

coineineagh:

+1 for Wisdom.

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lol, coiny add the plus one for wisdom about ignoring people then posted a reply afterwords. You are a dumbass Coiny

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That will go perfectly with my +13 charisma Rod of Truth.

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Pffft. Big deal. Every expat in China carries at least a +10CHA wand in their pocket, but a lot of them lack Wisdom. Use the +1WIS I granted you well!

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Do you have a wife, GF or a family? If you do, then think about them and don't get angry and the rest is easy. I meet guys like this all the time and I just don't even make conversation with them, you don't have too as well. It's a good chance for you to practice self control.

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I'm pretty sure that Vicky doesn't have a wife or a gf...

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laughVicky is a girl

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I just read Sorrel's advice and her's (along with ironman510) is the best to follow.  Forget the idea of revenge.  It's hateful, malicious, and petty and will hurt your own character far more than you hurt the other person.  Just do your job and do it well. Actually, if you are talking less and working more, they can't fault you for talking about foreigners. Being successful is the best response to any criticism.  This is similar to the advice given by ambivilentmace with one notable exception:  Don't just appear to be happy.  Don't do those things to spite others.  Really be happy and do the things that make you happy and productive.  Everything else is just distractive nonsense.

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Wow,.what is with all the Vicky hating? Vicky do you really need the respect of a stupid old man? A lot of the older generation here are backwards. When you talk about liking foreign men they see it as you saying you don't like China. They don't understand you can love your country and another country at the same time. It is not their fault, they were raised to be stupid and ignorant. Pity him, he will retire soon. Then he will be a nobody sat at home with a beijing bikini.

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Some Chinese still live in another age, there are people in Western countries who like Chinese things and culture, some others like what is Japanese, some what's Korean, some what's from Middle Eastern countries, some like what's from India, some what's from African countries.

 

And nobody shout at them or try to harm them for what they like, this is called modernity and individual freedom. If I live in Germany and want to have a French flag in my living room, drink French wine, eat French food everyday, speak French in my home, no one is going to insult me and even less try to beat me, people couldn't care less, this is what individual freedom is, what you like is your concern, and nobody else's.

 

Chinese men have serious self-esteem problems and think that they can't compete with foreign men, that's why some of them want every foreigners out of China, so they won't have to compete.

 

But the same people drive Audi cars, even wealthy Chinese eat at KFC or McDonald's thinking that it is "foreign food", are proud to show off at Starbucks in their suits designed by some Italian designer without forgetting to bring their MacBook Pro, ... worship everything foreign and look down on Chinese things. How ironic.

 

Also it's widely considered among Chinese men that having a pretty thin blonde blue eyed white girlfriend or wife is the quintessence of life, it is commonly seen as a sign of absolute success, but Chinese women who approach white men are seen as slutty, whores and are shamed in public by the same Chinese men. White men couldn't care less whether white women are dating Chinese, black or arab men, the opposite is also true and white women don't care about who white men are dating.

 

Conclusion? Chinese men are very insecure.

Victoria1987:

Agree.Plus many chinese men hate me to choose white boy rather them.lol...I remember a rich chinese guy got pissed off for me to refused him and choosed dating white boy.Then he started calling white boy bad name.

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Just from the other perspective 

My colleagues always judge Chinese in a way like they know everything. Some are bad judgment like Chinese smell bad. Everytime I tried to correct their judgement.But finally I got them pissed off.And they called me a person who worship Chinese things and fawn on Chinese powers.I was enduring those bad name calling from them for keeping the job since they are older employees in the company.(They might speak bad things about me for my boss to fire me)But this afternoon after we finished the work,the old engineer got very angry with me and shouted to me and called me bad name.He said I earn Foreign wage,I live in China but I always like talking Chinese things to him.After that,he call me I should not worship Chinese things and fawn on Chinese powers.It really made me feel bad to work in the company now.He is an engineer here,around 50 years old,in my perspective,my boss won't fire an enginner.But I feel bad to work here with him.What should I do?Quit the job or tell my boss?

There are three people in my office.Three of them are being mean to me,two of them said I worship Chinese things and fawn on Chinese things.Another one is at my similar age,when I told that one girl approached me and tried to seduce me in the bar,she then asked why not seduce others,just you.I bet she thinks that I am act like whore there.

I feel insulted in this fucking company.Should I leave?All of them are originally from poor provinces in China,where generally people are much more traditional and narrow minded.

 

Lord_hanson:

very constructive. I am sure this information will be of great use to us all.

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sorry about that - don't know what came over me

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Simply going through the original post and replacing A with B doesn't do much to make a point...  The original post tells a real story, and yet all you provide us with is little more than a smelly  poorly contrived regurgitation.

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Reversals are a recurring theme on this board, and this one was done nicely. It shows that foreigners need to moderate themselves in their criticism of China, or risk falling into the same pit of ignorance that Vicky described. I believe a majority of expats have some dislike of China, but if people out there disagree with us, we should respect their opinions. Which is what I believe most expats do well enough.

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I see what he was trying to do but he didn't attach a point to it, meaning it isn't relevant. IE, a counter example that isn't exact copy and paste. Are there really foreign companies with staff xenophobic to China, bullying those workers ect, operating over here? (Or even abroad? Perhaps... But that really sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen, which doesn't excuse the behavior but makes the situation better still.) Bit hard to buy that. When making examples you gotta pick and choose a bit better. Anyway I don't think that this board is so full of people hating on China (You can probably dig up a few of my own posts in that sense) which is probably why I didn't find this textbook replacement exercise so useful.

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