ScotsAlan:

It is easy. If you have the correct papers.

You need a passport, a current visa, and a translated "free to marry" document.

Your wife will need her ID card and her Houkou (family book).

You will also need to Chinese credit or debit card to make the payment, because most Government offices don't want to handle cash.

I think the minimum age for the woman to marry a foreigner is 22.

No need to use visa agents by the way.  If you are still in the States, and want to come to China to marry, a tourist visa is fine. No special " coming to China to get married visa". No Government checks, no pledge of allegience to the "Party".  Nothing like that.

I got married here on a tourist visa. I got my UK "free to marry" certificate in the UK, flew over, took the certificate to the local UK consulate, it took a week for them to translate it, then down to the marriage office and got married.

If your in the States, get the certificate (in English), before you come, arrive here, go consulate to have it translated, then go to her hometown to get wed.

ScotsAlan:

Ah, reading your other posts.. you cant marry here if they think you have a mental illness. But as your issues are physical, you should be ok. But China does have strange interpretations of disability. You wont know till you try.

cub:

fada, , they do charge when we both are ready before we get married  but the advice was free but they give free advice  up to  depending  on the questions u ask

fada:

Enjoy trying to scam a system designed to sniff out exatcly what you want to do! Haha

cub:

 fada,excuse me? care to explain what my intentions are or what im trying to do besides asking for honest answers here?

cub:

berrycrusher,  i  have a disability from  accident years ago, i was paralized almost a year ok? i taught myself how to type i never had a computer or typed before 2 years ago!  i can sucessfully only use 1 hand 2 fingers because of muscle weaknes and nerve damage due to spinlal cord damage!   so im doing the best i can here ok? sorry if im not perfect!

berrycrusher66:

Bitch please, you don't hear Stephen Hawking complaining. He is a smooth pimp of science. I find your story to stink of BS. You are a super crippled guy who is going to marry a Chinese millionaire who you have never met. You are talking about having sex with her in your other post. If you can hardly type how are you gonna f*ck a woman? You might not know Chinese women well but we all do here. No offense but there is not a chance in hell a Chinese millionaire would go for someone like you.

cub:

seriously berry i could care less about steven whoever ok? and prove to us here where i said i wanted to marry this lady for sex! u cant can u? thought so! thumbs down and Admn will get a suggestion u be banned/removed for your language and content on your pathetic post! and since when have u become a grammar expert? if u havent anything good to say then shut your trap!

Spiderboenz:

Most of the people on this forum are teachers...

...Of English...

(In order to work in PRC, one needs to obtain an "expert certificate".  This means... they ARE experts, fit to criticize your level of English)

Also, YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF STEPHEN HAWKING?!  Do you live under a rock? 

ScotsAlan:

Not sure.

Quote from the OP:  "scotsalan, i was told  by a immigration lawfirm  [********visa.com] that it takes even as long or longer by the chinese government than our immigration for me to marry in china!"

That statement from the visa agent is wrong. Not very good spamming if the spammer admits to wrong facts.  Unless of course the spammer is trying to make the agent look bad, but in such a case I suspect a spammer would not be so subtle.

ScotsAlan:

Double post.

cub:

scotsalan  this advice wasnt from  a agent ok? it was from a business in california that specializes in fiance visas  this is all they do!  Preparing  all the forms to send to USCIS immigraton Of course it isnt free they do charge for their services!  i figured since they been doing this for years  successfully completed 1000s of visas they know what they are doing!

ScotsAlan:

No matter who said what to you Cub, what they said was wrong. If you have your US certificate of eligibility to marry, a passport and a valid visa, you can get married quickly in China. Might take a few days for the certificate to be translated at the US consulate, but the Chinese Government certainly do not block foreigners from marrying Chinese. In fact, as a foreigner in China, its probably the easiest thing to do that involves the Government :) Unless of course you potential spouse is high ranking in the party etc. In that case its not allowed. State secrets and all that...

cub:

scotsalan, im just wanting good correct advice here so im prepared and with no delays ok? i read online i needed to make a certain amount of income show it to the chinese government Also i read that my lady has to prove that she wont be sending her money or business out of china after she moves to my country! to me this sounds far fetched!

ScotsAlan:

The Chinese Government dont ask anything about income. They dont care. They dont even ask where you intend to live. As I recall (I married here 5 years ago), the only question they ask you, in writing, is if you are mad or not? The wording of the statement is funny.

cub:

whats a morganatic marriage?

expatlife26:

It is also called a "left-handed marriage"

It is a term I learned recently and have been anxious to use in a sentence.

cub:

haha expatlife, whats so wrong with a left handed  marriage? it so happens im left handed always was!  At least im wanting to marry  this chinese lady not wanting  one night stand!

Spiderboenz:

I read about these kind of marriages several years ago.

It is a scam. Once she gets citizenship, don't expect to ever hear from her/see her again.

cub:

spider, do u know it can take a year or longer till she gets to move to my country? And then she has to wait another 3 years for her citizenship! thats a long time like 4 to 5 years to leave me after living with me married this many years? Besides she knows nobody here she is a stranger!

cub:

ok sammah, who is right here,u or scotsalan?    somewhere  there is the correct answer!   one of u is right and one is wrong!

Hotwater:

Sammah is wrong. 

cub:

sure wolf, leave it for a person like u say so stupid things here! u must really be a real loser to have nothing more to do than write a diary snooping into others personal lives! go get a life why dont u! must be miserable being so ignorant as u are!

iWolf:

cub:

expat 26 As I told others here I need to marry her in china first so with her income combined with my income, our income that I need to support a foreign wife then my government will allow to marry her in my country! So this wait to marry her wont be too long as your friend had waited to do! And as I told scotsalan before we both don't want kids so the inheritence thing is not a issue!

expatlife26:

Well man the problem is all these activist judges back in the west has this attitude thats like "listen buddy you mess with the west you mess with the best, asshole!" so they see a member of the gentry with a foreign girl and then sentence them to prison.

then to make things worse theyll say to the wife cause shes in the country now married to a prison guy that shes gotta go to prison too but for like twice as long and then if they have a treaty with the country the grandparents will go to jail too even if they didnt even want the marriage in the first place cause theyre just traditional people.

I'm not saying it can't be done, even without kids, but it's a lot more complicated than you might think.

Lord_hanson:

WTF? Why isn't this answer of the day?

expatlife26:

I knew you'd understand, Lord Hanson.

as one of your bannermen I know how important you realize that noble ranks are.

cub:

hey expat, look at how long ago this post is ok? its over 6 months old man! u are posting to a question thats over six months old its ancient history!

Lord_hanson:

Less than half a year by my count but for someone who failed special ed class it was a good attempt.

expatlife26:

haha, cub edited the response to six months. Definitely said two years before.

the answer I wrote was timely to the question. Lord Hanson commented on it recently and we followed up making fun of cub

Lord_hanson:

lol, poor cub. I guess that is what happens when your math teacher is a raccoon.

cub:

expat maybe i did this maybe i didnt Correct me if im wrong that sometimes there are some posts parts of posts that get deleted modified changed and we didnt do it ever have this happen to u before? And really does it matter?

cub:

a stupid question coming from a moron like u! Sorry but that type of marriage isnt legal in the site of God ok? its what God says not pathetic imoral sinful man! What does tis idiotic question has to do with china? Coming from a useless inbred pedigree like u And whats this about u crowding off legit posts here u inbred moron?

Lord_hanson:

haha, easy to get a rise out of. The question is related to China as I mentioned marrying a Chinese man. God was very friendly with men you know. He created the rainbow as a sign of "friendship" with men. If you must marry a woman why not marry Katelyn Jenner?

Spiderboenz:

Please check to ensure that one's spelling, grammar, and punctuation are correct before calling a person a moron.

expatlife26:

You cant talk that way to lord hanson, hes a lord for christ's sake. A good christian like cub would know that.

dongbeiren:

I think he prefers green card hunters to men... Maybe next he can try male green card hunters if he wants a change 

cub:

read the bible again God created a rainbow after the flood to show noah as a promise to noah he wouldnt destroy man by flood waters again get your stories straight not the twisted gay version u believe either jenner is a man has a mans DNA still a man no matter what plumbing job was done on him will always be a man cant change the DNA no matter how evil and twisted he is

Lord_hanson:

You seem well versed in the bible, tell me if Adam and Eve had a daughter (this wasn't confirmed meaning that Cain, Abel and Seth may have slept with their mother) then the only way more people could exist now would be for them to have had sex with their sister. So I was wondering did Adam and Eve's sons have children with their mother or sisters?

cub:

sure they had daughters, Adam and Eve lived hundreds of years so im sure there were many daughters they had but the bible dont record this and really, it dont matter! Yes im sure there was intermarriages going on I dont think Eve had sex with her sons no but maybe with thier sisters maybe but again in the hundreds of years each lived and were scattered im sure some did have relationships among siblings maybe were not aware of it! But again this isnt mentioned in the bible but im sure it happened

cub:

spider u seemed to have no trouble reading the post Nice try to deflect from the subject! Nice try!

cub:

sorry expat he isnt MY lord unless he was crucified on the cross died and after 3 days rose again!

Lord_hanson:

Actually cub, I was crucified on the cross and rose again in 2 days wearing nothing but sunglasses and a cheeky smile.

dongbeiren:

He believes that Adam and Eve lived for hundreds of years so I'm going to venture that's a negative... in a way he might actually do well in China. He accepts dogma without questioning it and propagates nonsense and old wives tales. He might do well with a Chinese peasant wife or male partner.

Lord_hanson:

He could be a chinese man's eunuch.

cub:

dong go ahead u believe in what u want ok? unlike u i wont make fun of u call names just believe what u want i believe in what i believe in ok/ No H i believe in a God that made everything in 7 days no mistakes no random chances no accidents ok? Now if u believe all this is a random unorganized by chance that took millions of year to be great u believe this Which one is easier 7 days all organized in order working perfectly Or millions of years by random chance accidentaly?

cub:

H tell u what, God never was formed he has always existed he never makes mistakes no accidents no ''oops'' nothing takes him by surprise he sees the future he is the past and present he never changes what he says his word changes not What was wrong and sin 1000s of years ago is still sin and wrong now no compromising no changing So all these scientific discoveries are nothing new to him! Satan is behind whatever men comes up with to try to disprove God to prove God wrong satan is and has been decieved so sinful man who are satans slaves are also decieved So H go ahead u believe what u want and i wont stop u because God gave man a free will a choice to believe and serve God or to reject God and serve satan No man can serve 2 masters at the same time So dont argue any more to me about this subject just go ahead believe what u want its your choice

dongbeiren:

It is beyond frustrating trying to explain evolution to someone who likely walked out if high school biology class or never finished high school for that matter. 

Lord_hanson:

haha. God made no mistakes no oops? OK? So you serve someone who gives cancer to children? He makes babies born with terrible illnesses that will kill them? Babies who have had no time to sin? You serve someone who created all these terrible things, who makes people be born with these terrible things? You serve him so you will go to heaven and not burn in hell right? That is like someone holding a gun to your head and saying do what I say or suffer. If god exists then he already tortures mankind and I am sure Satan could be no worse. In fact why would Satan be bad to people who renounce god, he is not gods lap dog, it would be counter productive of him to do that. I hope you enjoy serving a child murderer. Perhaps when he lets you in heaven he will let you stamp on new borns heads while he laughs.

cub:

H get some new material because i knew a unbeliever like u woulld say this! After Adam sinned disobeyed God Satan now was mans god satan sin entered the world not man had a new masterSin is what causes sickness disease pain death Blame sin satan on cancer illnesses which means death Satan and sin kills steals destroys And what choices u have and choose u want/? To serve GOD have life eternal live forever or serve satan be eternaly lost separated from God eternaly burning in hell because u chose this path? Nobody forces u to sin do wrong its your choice u choose this There is only 1 thing God hates and God hates sin because sin separates man from God Satan is never bad to people who follow him because they follow him are lost are sinners he wants this but sin has a price to pay and as the aposle paul said ''the wages of sin is death'' thats spititually and physical death All babies that die before the age of accountability thats before they know the difference of right and wrong they go to heaven after they die Satan is limited by God he does only as much as God allows him to do Remember satan was #2 in heaven but pride got him thrown out of heaven Unbelief in God is mans worst sin its called rejecting God not needing him its pride that man dont need God that man can do this all without Gods help! So if man is supposed to be ''good'' why has things gotten worse more evil wicked then? Do u actually see mankind the world getting better? Are there less wars murder evil starvation corruption lying greed death since man kicked God out of schools government society mens hearts? What utopia are u living in?

Lord_hanson:

"Satan is limited by God he does only as much as God allows him to do". So God allowed Satan to convince Eve to eat the forbidden fruit? Someone who was completely innocent so had no way of defending themselves from manipulation? That sounds like an "oops" moment to me. Where was the all seeing God then anyway? Asleep on the job I guess. Another thing about God allowing Satan to do things. If God allows Satan to be evil, then God is indirectly evil too for allowing it. That is like me releasing a tiger into a kindergarten then when people ask why I killed all those kids I would just say "hey, it was the tiger not me".

xinyuren:

Lord, your objections to the Bible are based on pure ignorance.  One by one, I will knock them down.  The Bible's account of creation in 6 "days", doesn't specifically mean 24 hour days as we commonly use the term.  A 24 hour day wasn't even defined until the 3rd or 4th "day" of creation.  More than likely, the word "day" was used to define and indefinite period of time.  The Bible is meant to communicate some fairly complex ideas to simple people.  There is no reason to believe, scientifcally or logically that each creation day was 24 hours long.  In fact, it's really not important in the context of the Bible message how long each creative day was.

Your ascertain that God must have created deadly diseases is off the mark too.  Deadly diseases and other maladies are a consequences of Adam's disobedience.  In a sense, we created illness.  They have nothing to do with God.

God allowed Satan to tempt Eve, that is true.  But your claim that Eve was defenseless and innocence is ignorant of the facts.  Adam and Eve were morally and physically perfect.  They knew God's law very well.  Satan tempted Eve with the idea that she could make her own laws, that God had no right to restrict her actions. Eve's decision to follow Satan was made with full knowledge of the consequences.  It wasn't a mistake nor weakness that guided her actions.  As to why God allowed it?  It was important the He allow humans to exercise their free will.  Even if their decision was to their detriment, it would be unfair for God to force them to comply with his laws.  This principle also applies to Satan and the rest of intelligent creation. 

Finally, your claim that Evolution makes more sense than Creation.... I have to laugh at that.  Evolution says that matter came from nothing, that intelligence came from non-intelligence, that life came from inanimate matter.  Order from disorder.  These are all contrary to proven laws of nature!  Haven't you learned about the Law of Entropy,  The Law of Conservation of Energy, and the Scientific Law of Information?   This is why Evolutionary Scientists can't come to any agreement on any of the details of Evolution.  By believing in Evolution, you need to disagree with many rock solid laws of science.  On the other hand, believers of  Intelligent Design don't need to reject proven scientific laws.  It's really very elementary:  Everything in the world has a designer - my house, my computer, my coffee cup.  Scientific knowledge supports that everything with a purpose must have been designed.  So a tree, by logical extension, must have been designed.  That it wasn't designed by a human is besides the point.

The bottom line for Evolutionists is they don't want to believe in a God.  Anything but God.  This is the only fuel that burns their fire.  Good luck with that.

cub:

H satan convinced Eve to be decieved she was the weaker of the 2 sexs Satan told eve that they would be like God if she took of the tree of good and evil First satan had her doubt God question him Adam knew better than to do this so he disobeyed God You ever wondered what would had happened if Adam didnt eat from this tree but Eve had? i think Eve would had been led out of the garden of eden by God once out of the garden she would been alone maybe died But maybe God would had made another woman for Adam to replace her who knows? Any way God had and has a plan he sees into the future he gave Adam and Eve a free will a choice they blew it God knew this was going to hapen God knew all about satan what satan would do satans plans nothing takes God by surprise God is all knowing Thats why God knew he would become a man [Jesus]to replace Adam to be what Adam was supposed to be sinless Jesus knew no sin he was perfect a sacrifice to take back the power from satan And as Jesus become the perfect sacrifice Jesus became the 2nd Adam the last Adam Still man has the free will a choice whom he will serve where his eternal soul will end upSin is death be it murder sickness disease hate greed pride God has never will never force a person to choose which way they will go they have only 2 choices Remember Eve had the free will the choice of listening to satan or God and we know which choice she chose dont we? Eve was tricked or decieved by satan by doubting God Adam knew better they were told by eating of this tree they would die spiritually and physically

Lord_hanson:

Yeah Xinyuren's reply was a million times better than yours cub. @xin, you say God wouldn't force his will on people yet he punished those who disobey him with iternal damnation. Through banishment from the garden of Eden or sending people to help. Punishments are a way of making people do your will.

cub:

hot all thos scriptures u quoted are whats called the levitical laws or fence laws all 600 of them At first was the 10 laws or commandmens A person was to obvserve follow obey ALL these 10 laws couldnt disobey break not even 1 of these 10 laws to be perfect holy But God knew man was flawed sinful unperfect couldnt keep all these 10 laws Why? Because God wanted man to depend rely follow obey God So all these fence leviticus laws were added to by man thinking keeping these laws depending on ''works'would save them from sin And God wont accept works as a way to be saved from sin Aftera Jesus was born died on the cross these levitical laws were done away with including animal sacrifices that didnt save men from sin but only covered ther sin! Jesus died on the cross as a perfect sinless sacrifice his blood saved man from sin something animal blood couldnt do The old testament was the old covenant Jesus birth death and reserection fulfilled the old tesaments requirments Now Jesus is the new testament revealed the old testament is the the old testament concealed So why do u pick and choose ones u dont believe?

Hotwater:

I understand what you're saying and the reasons. So all these Levitical laws were replaced by what is in the New Testament.

Can you tell me then where in the New Testament words of Jesus it says that homosexuality is an abomination and marriage is between a man and a woman?

dongbeiren:

So cub, the parts of the bible you can't justify were written by man but the ones you like were written by God? 

cub:

dong yes men wrote the bible but the holy spirit was guiding them when they wrote it God the father God the son God the holy spirit all in one but still separate this is called the trinity So when the bible was written by men God through the holy spirit guided these men to write the bible ok? Man is flawed but God using men with the help of the holy spirit wrote the bible

Hotwater:

You've avoided answering my question cubby boy. Is that because Jesus never condemned homosexuality & same sex marriage?

xinyuren:

Poor Hotwater.  You argue so adamantly about something in which you are truly ignorant.  Since i really hate ignorance, I will have to set you straight.

The Levitical covenant of which you speak of was binding only to the Jews.  The nation of Israel was, at the time, God's model nation.  Sort of like when you visit a model home to get a taste of the quality of a decorator or homebuilder. The almost 700 laws and regulations that guided the Jews served the purpose of keeping them pure and a teaching tool.   Each of those laws provided a moral or spiritual lesson for everyone.  When Jesus arrived and established Christianity, he essentially abolished those laws, but not the principles contained therein.  Let me clarify my meaning.  

For example, in the Law, there was a statute against adultery.  The penalty for adultery was death by stoning!  By abolishing this law, Jesus removed that penalty but he continued to uphold the principle.  Christians were to live by principles, not laws!  This is what Jesus meant when he said he came not to kill the law, but to fulfill it.  The laws given to the Jews reflected God's feelings and standards on the daily activities of life.  His feelings haven't changed, he just doesn't want to enforce them by strict laws.  The law served as a tutor, teaching the Jews His ways.

So, in answer to your claim that Jesus didn't condemn homosexuality, you need to read the Bible.  Jesus never felt the need to condenm it.   Homosexuality is already condemned in many places in the Bible, old and new testament.  But the penalty for homosexuality, as written in the Levitical covenant, no longer applies to Christians.  As is written in the NT, God's laws are now written upon our conscience.  He will deal with the wrongdoers in his own time. I suggest that before you debate the Bible, you at least read it in full and try to understand it first. Your opinions are a direct result of your ignorance.

Hotwater:

Now that's a far more coherent reply than any of cub's. Thank you Xinyuren.

My knowledge of the bible is obviously woefully inadequate to be dabate it with you as I lapsed from being a Christian as a teenager. 

What ive always found interesting though, from my memories of the old and New Testaments is that it's almost like there are 2 Gods described there. The one of the Old Testament being a vengeful and spiteful God. The one who Jesus describes in the New Testament being a loving God. 

I've quoted from the Levitical Laws to show what I see as the hypocrisy of a large number of Christians who ignore some of those laws yet uphold others. 

Homosexuality is is not a sin! People who are homosexual are born that way & have as much choice about their sexuality as we have about the sex we are born into. Didn't God create man (& woman) in his own image? It's not a choice for homosexuals, it's their natural state of being. 

xinyuren:

Hotwater, homosexuality is a defect.  Like a person born with a muscle disorder or 6 toes, it is not the way humans were designed.  But i must clarify something.  Being homosexual is one thing.  Practicing homosexuality is quite another, with the latter being condemned as a sin.  I'm not a homosexual, so I can't comment on your point about people being born that way.  But it is the practice that the Bible teaches against and not necessarily the state of being. By the way, you idea of two different Gods is common among those not well versed in the Bible. The difference between the OT and NT are the aforementioned laws. Laws require penalties. So God needed to enforce his Laws. It seems cruel to some, but it was necessary at that time to teach early mankind what was right and what was wrong. The Bible describes mankind during that period as moral infants. Later, He abolished the Law system, but the principles remained. Mankind had matured. When you look back in your life, doesn't it seem you had two different sets of parents? When you were young there were punishments and scoldings, maybe spankings? And now, as an adult?

Lord_hanson:

Cub, science kept you alive when you had your accident. Your avoidance of death mocked God. That means that every breath you take is a defiance to God. That makes you a sinner.

Hotwater:

I think you are now starting to go into a circular argument, as a lot of Christians do, when challenged on their beliefs.

In your comment to me above you stated (not very clearly):

Because God wanted man to depend rely follow obey God So all these fence leviticus laws were added to by man thinking keeping these laws depending on ''works'would save them from sin And God wont accept works as a way to be saved from sin Aftera Jesus was born died on the cross these levitical laws were done away with including animal sacrifices that didnt save men from sin but only covered ther sin!

My understanding of what you wrote is in two parts:

1) The fence Leviticus laws were added BY MAN as they thought these extra laws would help people to keep to the original 10 commandments.

2) After Jesus was born and proclaimed the teachings of the New Testament these man-made Levitical laws were done away with

I then asked you to tell me where in the New Testament your lord Jesus Christ stated homosexuality was a sin. Your answer above now refers back to the Levitical laws stating:

Jesus is Gods son Jesus is also God so when in the old testament leviticus ch18 v22 God said it was a sin to have man lay with man it was a abomination back then in the old testament and that Gods word is the same yesterday today and forever then it applies to the new testament as well as the old testament

But......you'd  already said the Leviticus laws were added by men. Now you say they were writtien by God.

You also said that the New Testament teachings of Jesus overrulled the old testament Leviticus laws.

As I said, a circular argument, that ends up getting twisted into loops........

cub:

so hot if i gave u your answer showed u whats next, pick or explain excuse away my explaination keep arguing? whant to keep this up for week months?

Hotwater:

There's actually no point as we're never going to agree, same with Xinyuren's reply to me above. I don't believe in your God and never will. I will also never agree with your views on homosexuals even though I'm heterosexual 

cub:

hotwater thats ok if u disagree or dont believe in God thats your choice or ''free will'' God gave man these 2 choices only 2 and one choice is to believe have faith in God accept him and the other choice is disbelieve and reject God its that simple

iWolf:

Love me or burn in hell for eternity. Good choices. Thanks god.

On the other hand, if god gave us free will then how can you commit a sin?

It follows that if you exercise free will and according to his word can do nothing wrong (because he gave you free will) then how can there be a hell?

cub:

wolf God made hell a place that originally was intended for satan and demons But after man sinned this became a place for sinfull man Gods still loves the sinner thats burning in hell But because of man who chooses to sin this separates man from God by man rejecting him Either u love God choose to follow him or choose the other master who is satan death and hell Sin is a power A power only God can destroy After Adam sinned man now has a sin nature a propensity to sin All man born after Adam now has a sin nature Here is a good question u should ask a believer ''Is sin a choice''? Most will say no, sin isnt a choice So then u ask them this ''then why do u choose to sin''? Again sin isnt a choice sin is a power only Jesus can break destroy! When Jesus died on the cross he defeated satan and the power of sin God is also a God of grace He knows we are not perfect and he is just to forgive us of our sins IF we ask him to forgive us turn away from our sin This free will is a gift God gave us he wont force u to be saved or follow him thats why there are only 2 choices its a responsability we are given Everyone always says God is love but God is also a God of wrath because all and any sin has a consequence a price and death is the price of sin After u die there are only 2 places your soul will go and hell is one the other is heaven Now why would any sane person want to choose a burning place for eternity for? Esecially when the other choice alternative is heaven?

xinyuren:

ummm.  No.  I prefer not to get drawn into a doctrinal issue, but I must say this one thing:  If there is a loving God who cares about his creation, he is most certainly not a torturer!  The Bible does not teach that God created a burning hell to torture disobedient humans for all eternity.  That would run contrary to the idea of a God of Love.  It just isn't logical that the penalty for a few decades of sin would be an eternity of burning alive.  This runs contrary to the idea of a God of Justice.  The Bible states plainly that the wages (penalty) for sin is death.  Death is the opposite of life. You m ust be alive to feel pain. If you are dead, you definitely can't feel pain or anything else.  Anyone who reads into the Bible that God plans to torture millions of disobedient people is reading it wrong! It's because of misguided doctrines like this that so many people run away in horror at the idea of an Allpowerful God.

xinyuren:

@iWolf -  Free will is a gift.  But it also entails a responsibility.  When we buy a automobile, we have the free will to use it any way we want (with certain restrictions).  We can fill the tank with water and put sand in our engine.  But the manufacturer doesn't recommend this way of maintenance for obvious reasons.  If we use our free will responsibly and follow the owner's manual,  we can have a long happy life with our new BMW.  If we exercise free will to the contrary, it will probably be to our detriment.  

In case you aren't following the analogy,  our Creator is the manufacturer.  He's given us instructions for a happy life.  We can use our free will as we please, but we won't escape the consequences.

cub:

xinyuren read my post again, i said God created ell originally for satan the demons ok? BUT after Adam sinned man became sinful man rejectd God they were separate evil so then hell since it was created for satan the fallen angels the demons now sinful man evil man who now rejected God are now separate from God satan is now mans master thier God they will follow him be facing the same punishment for disobeying rejecting God as a consequence And its the SOUL that burns in hell it never dies not the body God dont torture people its satan sin thier choice that they chose to reject God Does pain feel good? no, so then why choose death when u were alive were told there is a alternative another choice where there is no pain sickness disease or death? Again unbelief doubt rejection and satan blindes decieves man Satan is the great deciever the father of lies Satan kills steals and destroys And no, God isnt in heaven with a club gloating over man just waiting to punish him! All actions have consequences a payment good or bad nobody forces a person to sin thats a choice sin is a power The wages of sin is death means death in 2 ways spiritual and physical death Spiritual death because sin separates man from God no more blessings rewards no more life spiritual wise and of course physical death where the soul goes either to heaven or hell the soul never dies

xinyuren:

I don't need to or desire to read your post again.  Almost none of what you have written is in the Bible.  Almost all of it is pure church dogma.  I promised myself I wouldn't get drawn into a debate over doctrine and I won't.  I'm just glad nobody here takes anything you say seriously.

iWolf:

@xinyren   Remember this is the guy who admitted to corresponding by email with ISIS everyday

cub:

iwolf now i chat ''every day'' with isis?/ again u believe anything and u been reading way too many comic books! why not let that cut under your long nose heal ok? thanks

cub:

xinuren read genisis all the 1st chapter ok? did it not say God ''spoke'' the earth light planets into existence? So most i said thats in the bible isnt in there? reread this chapter again 'Let there be light'' God spoke this is just one thing God ''spoke'' into existence among the whole chapter 1 genisis or am i making this up? And no i dont take kindly to a person dismissing me as lying or making things up in the bible so please refute this!

cub:

xinyren so God accepts sin right? When God sent his only son Jesus to die be a sacrifice for sin this was the ultimate sacrifice No person can repay God for this Sin is death a separation from God xinyren! To say as u say God sends man to hell as a punishment is a lie from hell MAN sends himself to hell ok? by rejecting Gods salvation plan his son Jesus paid for Man makes his choice to burn in hell he knows the concequences of his sinful actions there is a punishment or a reward depending of which master he serves satan or God Sorry xinyren better check and see if u are saved! God never has sent man to hell U even said so yourself man has the free will the choice to choose heaven or hell so unsaved man sends himself to hell he chose this So go ahead have your hehe fun mock me but u prove to me where in the bible God sends man to hell overiding mans free will the responsibility rides on man his choice he makes accepting God or rejecting God Sin has no place in heaven God hates sin Ano mr two year old im not ''mad'' at anything what a fake u are! so go ahead spread your false ways! God knows your heart!