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Q: How long will it take for China to cave?

The Chicoms are playing a game of chicken and they're real close to flinching. This is hurting them way more than the US. Whether they're waiting to see the results of the 2020 election is irrelevant - they can't make it that far. It's simple economics. The $530 billion that we buy from them is 5% of their GDP. What they buy from us is a small fraction of our GDP. Ultimately, there will be a trade deal, but I don't see it happening until 2020. In the meantime, middle class Chinese are buying Huawei to demonstrate their patriotism. The ultra rich Chinese are simply fleeing the country and buying iPhones overseas. Patriotism goes out the window when you have the opportunity to leave an authoritarian state with a struggling economy.

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Nationalism seems to be on the rise everywhere. Strong nations is the normal state of things, globalism and internationalism was only a small page in history over the last 30-40 years, no, actually it was more akin to a paragraph or even a footnote in the grand scheme of things.

 

The good news here is that Western nations thrive on nationalism and patriotism (aka soft nationalism) and suck as globalism / internationalism due to being too expensive for the industrial appareil that they created.

 

The bad news comes for China here who thrived on globalism, but globalism for thy, not for me, China thrived on the naivety of other nations that opened their markets while China didn't.

 

Europe especially seems to have had more than enough with globalism, with liberal leaders getting kicked out of office one after the other. Italy, Poland, Hungary, Holland, Britain, etc... they are all turning nationalistic and kissing goodbye to the great pan-European project that is the EU. France, Germany, Spain are next.

 

In the US, Trump will get reelected 100% sure, he has the support of the silent majority. The loud anti-Trump voices are mostly liberals on welfare with way too much spare time on their hands. The silent majority who support him are too busy with working and keeping the economy running to protest, but they make their voices known on voting day.

 

China will cave in because China thrives on a globalist order that is collapsing before our very eyes, the tariffs are the tip of the iceberg here, and its headed right towards China.

 

We are witnessing the end of liberalism and the strong return of patriotism. It's an exciting time to be alive!

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Not too many have ... (the last sentence), what makes whole matter unrelevant, IMO.

 

China uplifts itself with hating and bashing others ... West and USA in particulary.

 

Was reading report yesterday how one high Chinese offical used profanity which was posted in Global Times un-edited and Chi-web exploded with comments.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-04/snyder-china-extremely-angry-a...

Snyder: China Is Extremely Angry, And Now Considers The United States To Be Enemy #1

 

I should c&p more, so if you didn't read an article, here is more:

The following comes from the New York Times…

Let me give you a perfect example of what I am talking about. One of the most highly respected news anchors in China, Kang Hui, actually used an expletive when referring to the United States during a news broadcast earlier this week. Normally I would never have such language in one of my articles, but this comment made headlines all over the globe, and I think that it is very important for all of us to understand what the Chinese are saying about us. So since this is a news item of critical importance, I have decided not to censor this quote at all.

“They stir up more troubles and crave the whole world to be in chaos, acting like a shit-stirring stick,” Mr. Kang said on the usually stolid 7 p.m. national news program on CCTV, China’s state broadcaster.

The expletive quickly became one of the most-searched-for phrases on Chinese social media.

In a follow-up video on a CCTV social media account, Mr. Kang boasted about how he had taunted the United States.

“If a handful of Americans always stir up troubles, then we are sorry,” he intoned. “No more do we talk about certain issues. We will also target you. We will bash you till your faces are covered with mud. We will bash you till you are left speechless.”

Could you imagine Anderson Cooper saying something similar about China on CNN?

And actually Mr. Kang likely has far more viewers than Anderson Cooper does.

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Nationalism seems to be on the rise everywhere. Strong nations is the normal state of things, globalism and internationalism was only a small page in history over the last 30-40 years, no, actually it was more akin to a paragraph or even a footnote in the grand scheme of things.

 

The good news here is that Western nations thrive on nationalism and patriotism (aka soft nationalism) and suck as globalism / internationalism due to being too expensive for the industrial appareil that they created.

 

The bad news comes for China here who thrived on globalism, but globalism for thy, not for me, China thrived on the naivety of other nations that opened their markets while China didn't.

 

Europe especially seems to have had more than enough with globalism, with liberal leaders getting kicked out of office one after the other. Italy, Poland, Hungary, Holland, Britain, etc... they are all turning nationalistic and kissing goodbye to the great pan-European project that is the EU. France, Germany, Spain are next.

 

In the US, Trump will get reelected 100% sure, he has the support of the silent majority. The loud anti-Trump voices are mostly liberals on welfare with way too much spare time on their hands. The silent majority who support him are too busy with working and keeping the economy running to protest, but they make their voices known on voting day.

 

China will cave in because China thrives on a globalist order that is collapsing before our very eyes, the tariffs are the tip of the iceberg here, and its headed right towards China.

 

We are witnessing the end of liberalism and the strong return of patriotism. It's an exciting time to be alive!

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The idea that Germany would be the China manufacturer and banker of the EU forever and China would have the same role in Asia forever is so ludicrous, no one ever considered the back lash, too busy making money.

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Well said icn. Yes, China loves to bash and hate on and point the finger at the U.S.A. for just about anything!!!!!! :( I read the other day that a Chinese twat said how the U.S.A. is paying 10,000 RMB to Hong Kongers that are jobless or students to take part in the H.K. protests. Ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!! :( So, some/a few Westerners have been seen in the demonstrations? So what??!!! :( And, Beijing calling the Hong Kongers that are demonstrating terrorists is NONSENSE!!!!!!! * Why doesn't the C.C.P. understand why the people of Hong Kong are so pissed off? 

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