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anonymous
Q: How much would you have to be paid to lie to strangers?
It seems lying is part of the Chinese culture. Whenever I am offered a new job I am always lied to more than once about my working hours and days and the company's history, license, etc. But recently I ran into a bud of mine at Lush in Wudaokao and he took a job with a Chinese recruiting agency and he claimed he was making 50,000 a month bird-dogging foreign teachers. So while we were eating, his phone rang and he started talking about a job to some newbie teacher.
As I listened he lied like 3 or 4 times without any hesitation. And when he hung up I asked him if all he told that applicant was true and he just laughed. I reminded him how pissed he got two years ago when he was on the receiving end of the lies. His reply was... "Well now its my turn to make a few bucks and have the good life". So where would you draw the line if some Chinese employer offered you a job to lie every day to people. Is it okay because you don't know the people you are lying to?
I'm curious, why make this anonymous? Is it some type of market research or recruitment drive?
It is never acceptable to lie.
Kaiwen:
There are some circumstances when it is acceptable to lie. Usually, such circumstances occur when you are protecting other people's or your own safety. None of that has anything to do with this question or thread though.
Kaiwen:
So German citizens who protected Jews by lying about their whereabouts in the Second World War were morally wrong to do so? Also I know of cases where western doctor's have lied to protect the welfare of patients who have given them information in confidence. Police officers and spies that go under cover have to lie for their own protection and to establish the information they are looking for. Circumstances do exist where lying is unavoidable and is not morally unacceptable.
HO HAI, Almost !
3 posts a day in the "ESL market is a minefield, you need benevolent help" style, keeps the doctor away.
Well, what about all the esl teachers that make $ writing essays for the study-abroad Chinese students. Do you consider that lying too? Or how about when someone just deliberately "forgets" to tell you something until after the purchase is made? I think honesty in general is a gray zone of convenience for Chinese. And maybe foreigners who stay here a long time begin to absorb some of this...uh, ....er, ummm..."culture"?
Is it much different from being paid to do an ad - or just some demo class... or just show up at an event - for some school or company you don't work for?
Personally - I was asked just last week to show up for a school department to a uni (or something - I didn't get the full final details) to do a 'speech' for them. Clearly, they wanted me to do their advertising for them, and make it appear that I was one of the teachers. NOT what I do!!!
jetfire9000:
Why is it against your morals, out of curiosity? What about the information that would be provided in your speech? What about the proper English expressions, your superior argumentation process, and superior presentation skills? Even if you are selling a lie, you are still providing some useful things to your audience. I'm willing to bet that there are also certain demo teachers out there that do in fact work for the organization they are demo-ing for.
Shining_brow:
Ok Jetfire - let me add something. While the organisation overall I work for, I happen to know that they are teaching rubbish- IELTS preparation where the teachers don't know a hell of a lot of IELTS itself. Certainly they have no idea on how to accurately score for it (or even close to it... I was shown papers by students that were graded at 2.5 that were clearly closer to 5.0! Which may well be the topic of my thesis!!) They teach students to learn 'tricks' etc in order to 'pass the test'... too bad IELTS isn't something you can do that with.
So, I won't put my name or face to something like that. And I don't appreciate being so blatantly used for such a thing. (especially when I offered myself as a teacher, but they declined - saying I cost too much - ummm, yeah, cos I know what I"m talking about, as do you, as would the students - but profit is more important!!!)
Ban these losers already. This site is overrun with all types of trolls.
Probably I'd do it for <Dr. Evil voice>ONE MILLION DOLLARS</Dr. Evil voice> but you can never know if I am lying.
