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Q: How tired are you, or are you getting of everything here?
I have had a really tough time in the four years I have been here for various reasons. I came here for someone who I met in the UK. She overstayed her UK visa without me knowing until we applied for a new one, after she'd left the UK to return to China for her graduation. I forgave her, I came to China for her, and we married and had a son, but due to so many difficulties over the three years in China together, we split and divorced last November. I was so sick and tired here, and depressed etc that I returned home to the UK last May for the Olympics and Queen's Diamond Jubilee.
Anyway, I am in Shenzhen now, and have been since last September, only after my opportunity in Indonesia fell through at the last minute. I will say that I have felt 100 times better in Shenzhen, and I have been a bit happier, but, as much as I try, I cannot actually like China enough to stay.
As much as I try, and as much as I think things are ok here, which they are sometimes, the regular revelations of food contamination, and the regular revelations about bad Chinese behaviour here, abroad, and in the business and politcal areas are making me tired.
On top of this, with it becoming so much harder here to find a decent teaching position, and with schools and agents trying to screw you more than before despite the crackdown and the apparent rise in standards etc, I am at my wits end.
I set myself a plan of staying here for one more year, but it's getting frustrating to the point I wonder about just giving uop here.
Anyone else feel the same?
Your problems seem personal, woman, children, etc. I don't mean to give advice to somebody I don't know, but those problems are problems EVERYWHERE not just China.
-I put it this way, sure spitting is annoying, dirty, and obnoxious, but there are places like your home or expat bars where people don't spit on the floor. It''s the problems you can't escape from that drive you crazy.
-Lastly I hated HATED my adult life in America. So my experience in China isn't normal.
I feel like there is a lot you aren't telling us. Divorcing after three years with a child makes me think your problems are unique and unrelated to the country you are in.
No one can debate your feelings. You have them for good reasons. Maybe the feelings will go away. Maybe you will change. Some have nothing to do with China, whereas others do.
All the spitting and annoying little things are, to me, just annoying little things. I don't pay much attention.
I get sick of this place, but it's possible, nay, likely or even inevitable to feel sick of any place from time to time.
I'm having my own employment dramas and I say that because I think employers are playing a waiting game. They think they have time now to replace me (you). I decided to chill (relax) and wait a week or two. Oh I'll send emails, maintain my requirements and keep in contact but I will expect nothing. This is not a guaranteed approach but I for one am tired of spending so much emotional effort on where I will work next September, if at all.
They have time and options so they calculate that they should attempt to gain advantages now, while we wait. Let us sweat. Let us worry.
I changed my paradigm. I'm not going to worry now. Maybe in two weeks, but that's fourteen days from now.
This is negotiation and they're using delay tactics and asking for concessions. I won't accede.
Or I grossly over-analyzed the whole thing and I should be institutionalized.
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as others write, some of your problems are universal.
I would suggest you fire up Skype, get hold of some people back home, who knows you well, and talk things through. they will no doubt suggest you come home, but remember that moving 6000 miles away from your child might not be the best either. Sure you can go to an expat bar, drown your sorrows in Tsingtao and cry out on the shoulder of some random expat too.
The beauty about Shenzhen is that you can pop in to Hong Kong for a day of normality. Double decker busses, cars driving on the "correct side" without honking, proper ice cream etc etc. Provided you have a visa that is up for it, its a godsend. I think I am popping into Macau more and more as an escape.
CARLGODWIN1983:
This is why I moved to Shenzhen, Scand.
Thanks.
It was a little wrong of me to give a bit of insight to what's gone on, and yes, there is a lot that has not been mentioned, such as the biggest hospital in Chengdu missing his Measles by a week until he was on death's door.
However, I am over all that.
I will admit that part of this is that I am having a bad China day, but they are becoming more regular.
I am getting tired of being fked around by schools, including my current one. I am getting tired of private students cancelling. I'm getting tired of the insecurity of contracts, and contracts trying to drain the life and blood out of me.
Bill said the correct things, but, I have persisted with my current school for too long, and I am insecure because of what I will do once this current contract finishes.
On top of this, I am tired of reading about all the food scandals that will kill me: Rice, pork and so many more.
Just, a decent job would make it bearable, but that is becoming harder to come by.
Sorry for the rants.
Scandinavian:
The rants is what this site is all about. I would think that Shenzhen would be possible to find at least one job, it being a big city. A big city would naturally have an equally high amount of scammers.
@icnif77: Macau is totally different from Hong Kong. Macau is Lisabon mixed with Las Vegas, in miniature format. Hong Kong is a modern version of London. In both places people know how to behave though. It breaks my heart each time I go either place, knowing that eventually both of these cities will become Chinese, thus fubar'ed
CARLGODWIN1983:
Amen to that, Scand.
Breaks my heart too. I feel really sorry for the Hong Kongers. They didn't have a choice in all of this. Now they are being manipulated, dictated too, and infected.
I've seen this far too often. Very rarely does it end up well when someone tries to force themselves to stay in China when they aren't happy in China.
Also I personally feel like conditions in China are getting worse almost across the board. So if things are already driving you crazy, I wouldn't expect it to get better.
I'm not trying to be too negative, just trying to be realistic. Life is way too short for you to sit around unhappy and "try to give it another year"..... no don't try it if you're unhappy , you owe it to yourself to try something new NOW, not tomorrow or the next week, but NOW. If being in China is no longer enjoyable, you need to change that and make yourself happy.
I don't know you or any of the problems you go through, but based on what you wrote I highly suggest that you just back up and leave. I don't mean that in a negative way, I mean it in a positive way.
Just out of curiosity.... what type of job skills do you have outside of teaching. Teaching English in China won't really mean much back in the UK and as you know the cost of living is more expensive there. Teaching English in China would help you to teach in other non english speaking countries so maybe thats a route for you. I hear South Korea is pretty nice , Japan as well. Parts of south America are insanely beautiful, I know a few people who taught in South America and loved it, the only downside was crime was a real issue you had to worry about.
rasklnik:
-Why are conditions getting worse? I'm just curious, I've had my ups and downs, but after 3 years, I'd say things are getting better.
SoFresh:
Part of it may just be me getting tired of China so I may be a bit biased.
But inflation is getting worse, while job wages are staying the same or even decreasing. My rent is nearly 1,000rmb more than it was a few years ago while wages for job offers are the same or worse, then add into it the increase of food costs and nearly everything else from taxi's to clothes...I have seen a noticeable difference personally.
The pollution is getting worse not better, at least in Beijing. I can't speak for other cities. A few months back through was the worst I've ever seen pollution in Beijing, looking out the window today it's once again pretty bad.
I feel like tensions are increasing, the gap between the haves and have nots has increased which in my opinion has lead to more tensions and people being more angry, I personally feel like I see more fights and arguments amongst Chinese people than I did just a few years ago. Maybe that's just me though.
I feel like tensions between China and the west and some other countries has been increasing as well. Doesn't really affect me on a day to day basis but I have run into a few minor situations of people looking down on me more for being a foreigner than in the past. Not too bad for me but I know a few months back it was pretty hard for a few of my Japanese friends living in China.
The situation for the elderly and aging working population is getting worse, which again is leading to more social problems and tensions from what I've seen. Not something the affects me, but I can feel the tensions in the air (or smog).
I probably exaggerate a bit because I'm tired of China and just waiting for some things to get done before I leave. If things are getting better for you though, that's great and I wish you an awesome time in China.
Get out of the city, forget all the bull. Go and take in the sights. There are still some beautiful landscapes to take in here. It's a big country, there must be something here to spark your interests again? Either that, or move to Hainan,Sanya beach...
I know exactly how you feel.
I am married and I am only here for her. I have forced myself to stay here a year beyond what I thought I was going to do as she does not want to leave China yet.
However, after much soul searching, she has agreed that I can go home and work, set up a life for the two of us there and I will visit every 8 to 12 weeks.
Not ideal but, I am used to long periods of seperation anyway.
The point is - if you are that miserable get out of it somehow.
There is a huge culture difference and sometimes it is just hard to accept their way of thinking and the way they view the rest of the world.
I too am having doubts about my decision to retire here in China. 20 months in and I am questioning just about everything about China.
I used to just eat, whatever was put in front of me, no problem, now I question just about everything. Cut some of that fat off the pork, why can’t I take the corn off the cob before serving it, why not shell the peanuts before giving me a pound of them. These prawns are delicious but I’m not eating the head, so why is it served, same for the chicken head? Why not just give me a plate of food to eat instead of a vast array of what the hell is it, and a little empty bowl?
The spitting and smoking, that I hear so much whining about; I don’t mind ‘cause I do the same. Wish the wife and the family would quit whining about my smoking … I will quit (SOMEDAY)
The traffic I accept willingly, and enjoy my e-bike rides immensely, after I have gone to get the bike from my wife who takes it to work every day. My town has quit selling them, because of the thievery and the overabundance. A definite good sign for PROGRESS in China……….. they are slowly making progress, BUT I want ANOTHER E-BIKE …… patience patience patience
Think my real issue is retirement and bored and lazy. Easy to fix by myself. Quit reading the damned depressing NEWS from around the world and get a life, get out and do something…………. Go for them walks in the beautiful tropical garden park that is across the street from my home (another sign of PROGRESS, this wetlands park that my wife won’t go near because of it’s past filth and rats and snakes --- but it is clean today) . Or go to the gym that is a 20 minute walk, or the over-priced driving range that I can afford, if I wasn’t so lazy.
I have family issues back home that would be out of my control back home too, so what the hell.
Fact is that my decision to come here was a good decision, if only I didn’t waste so much time worrying about things that I have no control over.
Now get off the damned computer and go shopping for some ham and some cheese and smokes and coffee, and some really cheap and delicious fruits and/or melons while you are at it….. readily available just down the street……………….Thanks e-chinacities, I needed this ….. I’m going shopping!!! Boston just beat Pittsburgh, little surprised.
Some excellent posts on here. I am happy that this has become somewhere for others to release too.
SoFresh hits the nail on the head for me. Whilst Shenzhen is a much better city, and people are generally better here, and more accepting, I definitely have the same impression as SoFresh.
My school is just making things worse. I am worth the 15k. They want me back, but they see me as replaceable, and they say someone else will come and do all what I do for 8k, minimum per month. I have old contracts and prove to them that they are talking bull, but, they are so confident.
In this city, 8k is nowhere near enough unless they pay for your accommodation. To eat in this city costs at least 50rmb per day, and unless you go to the same restaurant, it's much more like at least 100rmb per day, or even per meal. I am trying to save money to leave for good in a year, but they, and many other schools try trapping you here with shit salaries.
Well, you can make it better yourself. I was pretty depressed when I lived in the UK..London. I had a shitty job, just work and sleep, almost no time for anything else. And ride the damned tube. I don't know why people move to London, its a grim shithole, unless you are rich. I lived in Leyton for 6 months, you get the idea.
Here : My job pays 6K...so not that much. Bonuses for every holiday etc. But that's 3 days a week (2 of em done at noon), nice new apartment and bills paid. Me and my soon-to-be-wife cook at home most of the time, western food as well. I do 3 hours of tutoring on Saturday which gets me 2500 a month. We can live on less than that (she buys stuff too). So my Uni job salary goes in the bank every month. And I still have 3 full days + off a week. And vacation of about 6 months total a year which means TRAVEL! We live close to my work, pretty far from downtown, but this means almost no people, clean air and less dealing with the usual bullshit. I plan to get a car by the end of this year. And I hope not to have to give up this lifestyle anytime soon. So cheer up and keep looking. ![]()
BHGAL:
I never lived in London, but I lived next to a guy from London when I was in Vancouver.
right downtown East Hastings Vancouver, ( I worked at the liquor store) ....I constantly bitched about Vancouver and the 'big city" BS..... (I'm from small town BC) .... the guy from London (my neighbor) referred to Vancouver as, and I quote, " a quaint little town".....I hated him for it ............ now I live in a "quaint little town"' in China and enjoying it 'cause I am learning to accept "it is what it is" ...choices choices choices abound.




















