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Q: I mean How does this work?

In applying for jobs here in Echinacities, how does it work though? Like for Example if you apply for a company, You click the apply button, right? I have questions regarding the cover letter template and the attached files. If you already clicked the send application button, of course it will be sent to the company you were applying for, right? The thing is if you apply for another company and you use the same cover letter template? And you edit it since you're applying for a different company. Does that mean the moment you edit the cover letter template, all cover letters that you sent before will also change? or Will it not make any difference at all? I'm just really curious since I've been using only one cover letter template, I just keep on editing it every time I apply for another one. I was wondering if all the cover letters that I sent before will also get edited or something? Can anyone answer me about this?

24 weeks 3 days ago in  Business & Jobs - China

 
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I had similar problems here ... at my start in China in 2009. 

 

I thought, my files are most likely not compatible because I am not using Windows OS, so I resort to other 'home-made' way.

 

I would send a text to the employer through e-Tities: 

 

"I am unable to upload the files to this website.

Please, reply to my email address 'xxxx@me.com' and I will forward you my entire CV with all required files attached."

 

 

I've never uploaded my CV here and I've never had a problems with spam as a result of.

I've communicated with potential employers only over my email address and later over the Skype. 

 

The other thingy is ... do not expect reply of every employer in China with "Thank you" notification. Chinese won't reply if for this or that reason cannot place you to the advertised position.

Never mind! Don't stop sending your CV until you land an invitation to the interview ...

Good luck!

Jdteach2019:

Well, thank you for your reply. I appreciate it. It's only been a couple of days though since I've started applying for jobs here in this website. But regarding the text though? How do you do that? How do you contact them? In this website, they don't include their contact number. Or I'm not really following what you mean.

 

24 weeks 2 days ago
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icnif77:

I look at the FindJobs and ... you cannot send them my message 'cause you must complete 3 steps ...

Try this:

https://www.echinacities.com/help/personal?lang=en

It's listed under the 'Help' and ask them a Q same as you asked here ...

The other way you can find contact details of an employer is use of the web search engine. Write the name of the employer into the search and when you get the results, find "Contact Us" on the employer's website and approach them that way. I was applying that way usually outside of China.

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I tried with the 1st advert posted on FindJobs ... 'i2 Education' and search engine gave me their website with short job application posted.

https://i2education.com/about/

So, get the title of the School in search, and contact them over their website ...

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Jdteach2019:

Thank you! my friend. You've been really helpful to me. I will try that, search the Employer's Company name, go to their website, and look for their "contact us" details. Thank you!

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icnif77:

This website (@FindJobs) changed since I was applying last time for the jobs in China (2017).

After I exited China, I was looking for the new job openings (Russia, Turkey and elsewhere) that way.

I find it good because you'll avoid job recruiters ... Most job openings here are posted by the recruiters or big chain schools as one (i2 Education) I mentioned above.

Individual schools postings are rare at FindJobs.

The other thing is, you should pay utmost attention to the job contract before you sign it ... as others were saying.

I suggest, you ask Qs about the contract here and you'll get more insight from the older posters on the Board.

One thing I could tell you right away is:

"Never, ever sign the first contract offer you'll receive!"

Chinese are negotiators, no different than Arabs ..., so don't ink the contract right away!

The other thing is "China is still under Cofid lockdown ..." i.e. nobody from abroad is able to enter China, so one should have in mind most job openings posted aren't for real ... and in case school really wants you, you will face a quarantine at your own expense at the arrival to China. Research that, too!

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I had similar problems here ... at my start in China in 2009. 

 

I thought, my files are most likely not compatible because I am not using Windows OS, so I resort to other 'home-made' way.

 

I would send a text to the employer through e-Tities: 

 

"I am unable to upload the files to this website.

Please, reply to my email address 'xxxx@me.com' and I will forward you my entire CV with all required files attached."

 

 

I've never uploaded my CV here and I've never had a problems with spam as a result of.

I've communicated with potential employers only over my email address and later over the Skype. 

 

The other thingy is ... do not expect reply of every employer in China with "Thank you" notification. Chinese won't reply if for this or that reason cannot place you to the advertised position.

Never mind! Don't stop sending your CV until you land an invitation to the interview ...

Good luck!

Jdteach2019:

Well, thank you for your reply. I appreciate it. It's only been a couple of days though since I've started applying for jobs here in this website. But regarding the text though? How do you do that? How do you contact them? In this website, they don't include their contact number. Or I'm not really following what you mean.

 

24 weeks 2 days ago
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icnif77:

I look at the FindJobs and ... you cannot send them my message 'cause you must complete 3 steps ...

Try this:

https://www.echinacities.com/help/personal?lang=en

It's listed under the 'Help' and ask them a Q same as you asked here ...

The other way you can find contact details of an employer is use of the web search engine. Write the name of the employer into the search and when you get the results, find "Contact Us" on the employer's website and approach them that way. I was applying that way usually outside of China.

24 weeks 2 days ago
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icnif77:

I tried with the 1st advert posted on FindJobs ... 'i2 Education' and search engine gave me their website with short job application posted.

https://i2education.com/about/

So, get the title of the School in search, and contact them over their website ...

24 weeks 2 days ago
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Jdteach2019:

Thank you! my friend. You've been really helpful to me. I will try that, search the Employer's Company name, go to their website, and look for their "contact us" details. Thank you!

24 weeks 2 days ago
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icnif77:

This website (@FindJobs) changed since I was applying last time for the jobs in China (2017).

After I exited China, I was looking for the new job openings (Russia, Turkey and elsewhere) that way.

I find it good because you'll avoid job recruiters ... Most job openings here are posted by the recruiters or big chain schools as one (i2 Education) I mentioned above.

Individual schools postings are rare at FindJobs.

The other thing is, you should pay utmost attention to the job contract before you sign it ... as others were saying.

I suggest, you ask Qs about the contract here and you'll get more insight from the older posters on the Board.

One thing I could tell you right away is:

"Never, ever sign the first contract offer you'll receive!"

Chinese are negotiators, no different than Arabs ..., so don't ink the contract right away!

The other thing is "China is still under Cofid lockdown ..." i.e. nobody from abroad is able to enter China, so one should have in mind most job openings posted aren't for real ... and in case school really wants you, you will face a quarantine at your own expense at the arrival to China. Research that, too!

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If it is a teaching job, more than likely a recruiter is posting the job posting. When you send the CV, it goes to them and they take it from there. My experience has often been that they post jobs that are no longer available ot they do not want to send it to you. Instead, they will contact you saying that they have other jobs they can offer you. Usually, they are jobs that I am not interested in since I am very particular. I explain to them that I just want to apply to the job that was posted and no other jobs. For example, I am only interested in high school. The jobs they send me are kindergarten and primary. In other words, they are trying to get oyu to use their service and place you where they can make the most money from the schools using their service. It is all a business. Since the schools are the ones paying the recruiters, and not you, the recruiters only have their own interests and the school's interests in mind. 

 

Another thing to note...never send them your documents or even a photo of them. Only do this if you block out important personal data so that they can not sell it to the "black market". Only give the information to the school that is interested in having you sign a contract, and only do it in person. You can send photos, ONLY if the information is blacked out.

 

As for the cover letter, each time you edit and send a cover letter, only the most recent change is sent. It does not change ones you have already sent. I just use a blanket cover letter for every application. It does not have specifics about the job I am applying to. Just click and send. 

 

P.S. If you are not as picky as I am about the job you are seeking, it is usually safe to use a recruiter to do the work for you. It should not affect your salary too much, if at all. Especially now since there is a shortage of ESL teachers in the market. You have the power to negotiate. Make sure everything you negotiate is in the contract when you sign. If the school says they have a standard contract and can not make things in writing, tell them to add an addendum to the contract that is signed and stamped seperately so that it will be included as part of the contract. If they refuse, you have to make a decision of accepting whatever they are willing to put in writing or walk away. Never accept just their word of approval where nothing is in writing. That contract may not be 100% binding like contracts are in western nations, but it is the best thing you have for proof of what was negotiated. 

Jdteach2019:

Okay, thank you! This is so informative! I really appreciate it. So in this case, I should not send them any documents unless they will contact me using email and I will provide it for them. Okay, I really appreciate it! Thanks a lot.

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This way sometimes and the otherway most of the time.

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