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I just saw a news on QQ. The girl and the guy came from the same monther but diffrent father. They fell in love but their parents are fine with that. The news saies it's legal to marry for them. Is that seriously true? It's very hard for me to believe that.
Of course it's not legal. They are brother and sister, irrespective of having different fathers.
Not just Spain, it will be illegal everywhere, even when those 2 with 3 parents are agreable.
That's probably more bogus news to make foreignland look unappealing. Post a link please
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest#Spain
Consensual incest between adults is legal in Spain.[6]
EU is strange:
Consensual incest is legal in Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Turkey (since when Turkey is EU?), marriage between siblings is not prohibited in Spain and Portugal.
Shining_brow:
And Germany was considering changing its constitution as well.
Icnif did the most obvious - a search!
Incest as a taboo has been around for a while in 'civilised' societies, but the legalities against it have come and gone. Europe (and other countries) probably allow it (legally) because of what many Americans would say - keep the government out of my bedroom!
Sex between two consenting (non-coerced, non-mentally challenged*) adults should be their business, and their business alone. Marriage between them should be... openly debated (cos, you know, marriage is a legal contract), but probably should be in the same category - the government shouldn't say who can and who can't ... decide on one's health decisions in serious accidents, or who owns a house after one had died, etc.
As for having children... granted, there is a higher chance of the child having problems... but for first generation, that's fairly minimal. (going a few generations is an issue...).
For those of you who express disgust... Q - what about the (real, and documented) case of siblings who were separated (eg, fostered) but met up, fell in love, etc etc, and then later found out they were brother & sister?
Personally, I'm actually quite intolerant of many things that are taken for granted... but this is not one of them. The 'negatives' are miniscule.
(*parent-offspring is unlikely to be a non-coerced situation - if they've known each other throughout the lifetime, and Coin might tell us how biology affects our psychology on this...)
icnif77:
You're right: 'I am not really interested into incest.' I looked for on the web, after the 'tits' comment about 'foreigners-are-bad-drive'.
Before I saw the weblink, I'd say 'no, anything connected to incest is prohibited in EU'. I'd say, it's maybe allowed in Morocco ...LOL the closest to EU.
We had horror incest story in Austria few years ago.....
coineineagh:
Ah, so icnif is Austrian. He said: "we had". I wanted to pop in to offer insight, but not from a psychological perspective as was suggested. I just wanted to compare incest with inbreeding: Inbreeding is more common and accepted, but it also concentrates people's DNA in a small population, making the likelihood of genetic diseases more frequent. Incest merely constitutes a stronger genetic matching, but it is essentially the same hompgenizing effect as inbreeding. Non-incestual lineages who have been inbred for centuries (nobles, orthodox Jews), have the same prevalence of diseases like dwarfism, lisp and allergies. Incestual children from cosmopolitan lineage may be fine in most cases.
icnif77:
You 'Herlock Sholmes' , you!
'We had ...' as Continent.
It was so horrific, that IMO can't apply to the nation. It comes a bit 'lighter', if you blame the whole Continent.
Viki87:
My English is not good enough to catch everything you guys say. I still can't reach this level.
philbravery:
@vicki ...dont worry about it when icinf answers just smile and nod politely like the rest of us.
icnif77:
why me, again...?
I am always in the spotlight for some reason. I hate that since Grade 1. Some things never change. Not even anon can help me...LOL
Shining_brow:
@Vicki... simplified version - yes, it's legal in Spain (and some other EU and non-EU countries).
Why?
The rights of the individual beat those of the need to control them.
Can you think of a GOOD reason to ban it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
The Fritzl case emerged in April 2008 when a 42-year-old woman, Elisabeth Fritzl (born 6 April 1966), told police in the town of Amstetten, Austria, that she had been held captive for 24 years in a concealed corridor part of the basement area of the large family house by her father, Josef Fritzl (born 9 April 1935), and that Fritzl had physically assaulted, sexually abused, and raped her numerous times during her imprisonment. The abuse by her father resulted in the birth of seven children; four of whom joined their mother in captivity (one dying just days after birth), while the other three were raised by Fritzl and his wife, Rosemarie, having been reported as foundlings.
Austria's reputation
Describing the "abominable events" as linked to one individual case, then-Chancellor of Austria Alfred Gusenbauer said he planned to launch an image campaign to restore the country's reputation abroad.
On 28 June 2013, workers began filling the basement of the Fritzl home with concrete. Estate liquidator Walter Anzboeck stated that the cost of the construction would be 100,000 euros and would take a week to complete. The house is planned to be sold on the open market. While most neighbours approved the proposal, some preferred that the property be demolished due to its sordid history. Since the day of being for sale, it has not been sold. The house was up for sale at a price of £145,000, but no buyers came forward with an acceptable offer, so asylum seekers have been offered the house to live in since September 2015.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/austrian-incest-case-horror-h...
Shining_brow:
While Austria may not have the death penalty, I do think it's reason enough for it to be introduced - for really seriously bad crimes against humanity. Because, the other side is - the state now pays to house and shelter the bastards til they die... Sure, they probably cop a beating or 2 inside, but still... I don't think the state should be responsible for that.
icnif77:
It is entirely another matter, why advanced societies don't practice 'eye for an eye': 'severe punishment doesn't serve as deterrent, but opposite as crimes become much more vicious...'.
You're counting taxpayer dough, while bastard is serving life term and that should be logic for an execution, but history of society is much more important than funds spent to house vicious offenders.
In above case, sanity of the offender is also big Q. In other words, for the Law professionals, he is insane and society is to blame, crime wasn't prevented/discovered earlier. He belongs to jail also, for prevention of vigilante justice ....
Society get off the hook better, if all its grief is centered toward the reconciliation of the victim......