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Q: Is it me or is the PSB getting too strict with visas lately?

Has anyone noticed it is getting tougher and tougher  for Americans to renew visa's in China?  Are they retaliating for something?

11 years 18 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Tougher and tougher to renew what kind of visas?  That is the first question.  To date, I have had no problems renewing / extending my Z visa / residence permit and it is renewed usually without much fuss, although the FAO at our school is really superb. 

 

On the other hand, I have had several Canadian friends in Beijing who have outright been refused a renewal of their respective Z visas / residence permit but all except one had changed schools and province.  In Beijing, the paperwork has become particularly onerous and thank God I am not there.

 

In the part of China where I have been located, it has taken a miracle from upon high to review the visas of the very few African teachers left in the province.  The school was notified recently as were other government schools that the provincial government intends to respect the Big 5 hiring policy.

MrTibbles:

I think you actually have to be a foreigner to get a Z visa and residence permit.  You know, not Chinese.  Just sayin'.

11 years 16 weeks ago
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Listen, Tibbles, I agree with you. In my own case, my Z visa and residence permit renewal, as a non-Chinese national and as the citizen of a major power, went through very expeditiously. Just saying, Tibbles, just saying....

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sure hope things haven't changed ...I need to renew soon ..please more recent responses, so I know what to expect in a couple weeks.

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For the past two weeks there have been meetings in many of the provincial capitals with the FEB's, the PSB's, etc., etc., and the FAO's of all of the government schools and major LTC's concerning the latest changes to the rules and yes, indeed, there appears to have been a tightening up of the process but there also have been some changes that may benefit the foreign teachers as well, at least that is what I am hearing.  Who knows, however, how all of this will play itself out.

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Yes, it's getting tougher - and rightly so!

 

There are simply too many foreign nationals abusing the visa rules at the moment. Such that is was inevitable that crackdowns would follow.

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it's just you. considering all the terrorism that the u.s govt and its corporations conduct on Chinese soil, i'd say the Chinese are quite generous with visas. considering all the things that u.s corporations, and their proxies have done to China, i'm surprised that americans are even allowed in. turn things around and look at the u.s. visa system, or any western country for that matter, and that is too strict, considering no one dares to terorise western countries except their own governments. western governments require finger prints, bank statements, and all sorts of totalitarian things, none of which the psb requires.

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Oh all that terrorism, like GIVING YOU JOBS AND AN ECONOMY AND TECHNOLOGY. There are FAR more Chinese in the US than Americans in China. And LOADS of the Chinese in the US are spying or their to steal technology. Get bent. 

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This will be an issue that will go up and down. We'll tight times and and easy times.

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what the fuck is going off on here?   what's with all the thumbs down?  

xunliang:

..... thanks for proving my point. That's not ironic or funny, just proves I'm right

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I think PSB should also take long interview like states and in the last give their verdict also like states - "Sorry, you are not qualified to stay in China" and should not return the money also again like States..

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It all depends on the tit-for-tat game of politics that is always being played. For a few months things will be difficult, then easy, then difficult again. If it is possible, take comfort from the fact that Chinese have a much harder time getting US visas.

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why doso many answers say accumulated -3 points and therefore are hidden? So confused...

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No, I don't think it is you and I don't think it is an illusion. Usually China visa policy mirrors actions of the West. So when the U.S. cracks down on visas after they uncover IP thefts being done by Chinese graduate students working in a research center, China will respond in kind. But I found the below chart on line and it is clear that the deportation rate is increasing. But keep it in perspective because despite the below stats, there are still over a half million foreigners living and working in China these days.  I am looking for similar information about U.S. deportation rates which I am sure is MUCH higher.

 

Traveler:

How many times have you been banned? You are always coming back under a different name, trying to promote the China Foreign Teachers Union, and trying to discredit this website. The figures you quote can't be verified by an independent source. EDIT: And now you're banned again :-)

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It's certianly more strict.

 

In the bigger picture though China is probably the easiest large country to get into due to the fact that there's very little enforcement of people coming here to work on the wrong type of visa's. 

 

I can't think of many other countries where you can have no college degree, no work experience, no money , and you will still find hundreds of not thousands of companies lining up to get you a visa to get into China to work for them (illegally of course).

 

At the end of the day it comes down to money. Long as you have the money to pay, youll always be in China long as you arent causing problems with police.

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But other countries have visa policies that allow the country to obtain all the foreign labour that it actually requires (even if in the end, that means they let less in). Evidently China does not, because otherwise there wouldn't be so many employers actively trying to recruit foreigners on illegal visas.

 

I've never heard of a Western country with legal rules about previous employment, or having a degree. It is up to the employer to prove they need a foreign worker (because of skill shortages etc.) and then find one they want. Obviously they'll want an experienced, or degree-holding one for most jobs, but at the end of the day, it's up to the employer to assess their own needs.

 

Lots of the Confucius Institute teachers sent abroad don't have 2 years post-grad working experience (they'll have some, but not 2 years). They still get fully legal work permits. In theory, the reverse is not true.

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To answer the original question... yes part of it is retalation for America making it a bit harder for Chinese people to get into America.

 

Another part of it is to save face. Last  year after a few situations of foreigners comitting crimes and doing bad things went viral on the internet the government had to do something to save face and show the Chinese people who were angry that they are doing something about foreigners who cause problems in China.

 

It's been on and off like this for a long time and always will be.  At the end of the day though if you have the money, you can EASILY renew any visa. Money buys you anything in China

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