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Q: Is it possible to hold 2 jobs legally

As per title, is it possible to hold 2 jobs legally, say 1 full time and 1 part time.

 

Work permit is for 1 job/company I know, but is there any way around that, considering that company, where you work full time and which arranged Z visa and RP, allows you to do so.

9 years 19 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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I am pretty sure that the way around it is to do illegal PT work.

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You can do part time work if: your employer okays it and you pay taxes on all income.

Johoho:

You absolutely sure about that?

 

As my employer would have no problem with me having another pt job.

 

What about taxes. 

 

To simplify if your ft job is 10k and pt job is 5k, do you need to pay taxes for earning 15k, or each company pays taxes for you seperetly. I hope I explained that clearly.

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Sinobear:

Here's the fun: The tax departments of each province are supposed to be linking databases and supposedly, taxes paid are supposed to be checked prior to leaving the mainland.

If you've been in China for a hell of a long time, but you've not paid any taxes, that may be cause for a little investigation.

I've only heard of two people ever being detained at the airport for this, and only right after the power-that-be introduced the concept.

China desperately needs our money to pay the pensions of the oldsters. They will try anything (think of the foreigner's "pension and unemployment" scheme they tried to enforce last year) to get our cash.

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Englteachted:

You seem to already know the answer which begs the question, what is the point of your post?

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icnif77:

How/where can you check, you're paying taxes in China?

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Johoho:

How to check if you are paying taxes?

 

Umm, very simple, your gross salary is X, and you get out your net salary Y.

 

There are even calculators online to calculate net salary for foreigners, am to lazy to link it atm.

 

If your company/school have some good reputation, there shouldn't be a problem. Especially if this is corporation and especially if it is listed in stock market wink

 

But if this is some mini scam art training center, it might be worth of lookinto it.

 

Ohhhh, and btw, if you work only as part time employee, taxes are MUCH higher, I think the last time I checked around 20%, but don't take this for granted.

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Sinobear:

How to check if you're paying taxes? Go to the local tax office with your passport and they'll print you a receipt (unless you haven't been paying taxes and your school is pocketing the money).

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icnif77:

@Sino: that's why I asked! 'How do you know, you/School is really paying taxes on your income?'angel

 

I'll have look next time at my tax 'contributions' in the tax office. Thanks!

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Shining_brow:

Also, by law, they're supposed to pay the tax dept within 14 days of you getting paid!

 

I, too, went to the local tax dept (which, btw, needs to be in the same district as where your employer is based/pays from... yeah, great system!!)  to get that print-out.

 

You should, of course, have a unique Tax identification number, to which all payments get made.

 

(I found this out when my top 100 university with high reputation got greedier, and I started to suspect... the BS and all that came from the accounts dept (well, one person in particular...) and then I got the official receipts - which only confirmed that payments for the previous 9 months only happened the week before! AND he refused to give me that unique tax identification number)

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I don't think, it's legally possible to have 2 jobs.

 

By the Chinese law you can legally work only at RPermit sponsor/school. Even if you have RP sponsor consent for moonlighting, you're illegal working there.

However, nobody enforce that law, and demand for FT is huge in China, but I understand as 'you're always illegal at 2nd job'.

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Not from a Jedi. 

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Officially it's not possible for foreigners to work simultaneously at two different companies in China, but "This is China" so there are ways to go around that rule.

 

Officially we can't take part time jobs, but everyone I know in the ESL industry do so.

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It is possible in China, and thus legally, to have two jobs if arranged properly. Since your work and residence permits both, are tied to your employer, the key will be to have two different jobs with the same employer.
Let me give you an example of both ways:

1.- You work for a school, with the headmaster as your employer (or the company). You can work legally at the school, but not at any other job with any other school or employer.

2.- You work for the same school and employer, and some of the students need tutoring, and you get to do it, and the Principal arranges for it. Since it is done with the same employer (and he must back you up on this), then is legal. But make sure you pay taxes every month on all the income, that will tilt the balance of justice a bit in your favor always.

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Joho's an arsehole.  At least I prefer pussy.

 

icnif77:

Stop arguing! I'm the winner on this thread.

 

'Time-ing is of the essence!'

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Who's Joho

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Yes, if the job is online and the salary comes from a different country.

Hotwater:

Until you've been here 5 years...after that you have to pay Chinese tax on your worldwide income. Unless in your last year you leave the country for 90 days (this is from memory so needs confirming)

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ironman510:

Yes Hotwater, thats correct.  I have to file my taxes in Hong Kong with an IRS registered office there. I started working online as my part time job after those crackdowns came down on part time workers and lucked out with a decent online job from Australia .

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No, it's not. Not by any stretch of the mind and no matter what has been said above which is, with all due respect to the authors, steamy bullshit.

 

To work legally in China, you need a permit that is valid for one employer, and one employer only, and you can only hold one such document.

It is as simple as that and there is no subtlety whatsoever.

 

Now, in the unlikely case that your employer will back you up in some part time job, which is a workaround, not a legal exception, keep in mind that it will entirely depend on his mood and his will to actually save your ass in case of problem. The authority which issues your working permit keeps a copy of your contract, and unless your "second job" is specified in this contract, in which case you have signed a quite peculiar contract, then your second job doesn't exist. Your gamble.

 

Same goes for working online. It's not legal, it's just that there's obviously hardly any way that you would get in trouble over this. And that's a difference.

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